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New Video and Medical Exam Report Debunk Losee Center Narrative - Ep 152
Baron Coleman
Jul 30, 2026

Candace Owens dropped new footage that all but disproved the official narrative relative to the Losee Center.

Also, the prosecution filed a motion that cited several portions from the medical examiner's report. Those lines have raised massive new questions about the official narrative.



Search transcript Search transcript Chapter 1: Intro Ah, wouldn't you know, as soon as the music started to end, I had to sneeze. Woo! That was a close one. Guys, welcome in for an early edition, an afternoon, a matinea, if you will.

Welcome in. Welcome in. Welcome in. Yes, I am early today.

I've got some plans tonight um that I didn't want to miss. And um and so I' I've got to I've got to do an earlier show. I've got to do an earlier show. I didn't want to miss another day.

Uh will not in all likelihood be live tomorrow. outside chance we might come on midafter afternoon tomorrow, but uh very unlikely. And so then it would be Sunday before I'd be able to be back on then a live show Monday and then not another one till Sunday. So you get Matt Baron um that's all you're going to you're just going to have to deal with it.

You got to deal with it. Um because we've got a lot to cover. I do not want to wait until Sunday because I have been in constant communication with experts about the uh little tidbits of information that were in the prosecution's filing relative to the injuries to Charlie Kirk. And I have some really really interesting information, including from people like professors who study this stuff for a living and know how to go find academic papers on the issue and can point me to them.

Ladies and gentlemen, I don't think he was shot with a gun. Period. End of story. Um, so we'll get to that as well.

Oh, goodness gracious. Why am I Oh, I was echoing. Sorry, guys. I apologize.

Um, but I um I one of the things um someone said they can't hear. You clean your ears out. Clean your ears out. Um one of the uh one of the things I want to cover though is the video that Candace dropped uh I think it was Tuesday.

I want to take a closer look at that. I want to take a closer look at that. I've not had a chance to weigh in on that yet. Um, and I have strong opinions on some things that we can glean from that.

So, I will look at the video. Um, I will also look at um again some of the medical stuff from the um from the report. I also had a really interesting conversation with um with Owen Benjamin today. Uh for those that don't know him, he's a a professional comedian and a podcaster and a media personality and he's one of the most uh band people on the planet when it comes to social media.

But he is um a very interesting character and he really got my mind spinning. He's one of those people when you talk to your mind just sort of spins and spins and spins. So I I hung up with him about an hour ago. Um not that I'm complaining, but it did cut into a little bit of my uh preparation for this.

Oh. Oh, speaking of speaking of something I did not yet have the chance to pull up, my opening statement. So, I want to get to that as well. Uh, the opening is really good.

It it ties into um it ties into what we're doing here with the Charlie Kirk case, the massive crowdsourcing effort, the crowdsourced investigation effort that's going into the um into the Charlie Kirk case. But this is a it's going to be a big day. It's going to be a big day. I think definitively when the process and I have no idea.

I've been asked why did the prosecution drop their motion so early. This is essentially their summation to the preliminary hearing. It wasn't due until September 1, I don't believe, unless I miss something. It wasn't due until September 1, but all of a sudden, here we are in the end of July and they're dropping this massive document with all this new information.

So, we'll talk about that. We talked Monday when we met about the fact that uh there is not sufficient evidence to demonstrate Charlie Kirk was even buried. Uh Candace touched on that a little bit yesterday, so we may dive into that as well. So uh guys, buckle up.

We have a lot to cover today. Holy macro, we have a lot to cover. A little cap and gowny when we talk about the medical stuff. I have a study I'm going to pull up.

We're going to read from it. It's going to be a little cap and gowny, but um but but you you've you've you've come to the right place. It's a high IQ outfit. It's a high IQ outfit.

So I appreciate you guys accommodating the early start. We will try to keep this show on schedule because I'm assuming at some point this evening, the principal will go live. and uh we'd like to 4 minutesideally finish before um before she goes on. So, buckle up, get your safety harness, five all five points buckled, just come to the edge of your seat.

You won't need the entire seat. Oh, we're going to look at some of the feds slopp response, too. But that's that's kind of a given. But I want to give you my opening here because I think this opening is really tied to to what we're doing here.

There's precedent for what's happening here. There's precedent for what's happening here. And a lot of people don't like to recognize that. They like to hide the fact that this has happened before.

So ladies and gentlemen, this is your opening statement. Chapter 2: Opening Statement - Crowdsource Investigation and Adnan Syed Uh if you go back to 2014, that's what 12 years ago. Statistics show that in back in 2014, this is roughly a decade after Adam Curry was sort of credited with starting the first ever podcast. But back then only about 30% of Americans had ever listened to one.

It's kind of weird because right now the number is close to 80%. Podcasts have 5 minutesbecome a mainstay in American media landscape, but back then it was not. They were new. Uh they were seldom used.

Only weirdos sat around listening to podcast back in 2014. I was a weirdo. You guys were a weirdo. uh podcasts were still lagging way behind traditional cable news, way behind traditional terrestrial talk radio in terms of popularity of where people got their news from.

People were still reading newspapers back then, believe it or not. That's we're talking the dark ages, the dark ages of media. Nobody had been able to sustain any kind of long-term success with long form podcasting. Joe Rogan was kind of the only one sort of getting going at that time and it was sort of new what he was doing.

There was no Tucker Carlson podcast. There was no Candace Owens podcast. Podcasting was relatively new. And that's the backdrop.

That's the backdrop in which we were introduced to a podcast known as This American Life because they spun off a single season of a brand new podcast called Serial. S E R I A L. Not serial like Captain Crunch, but serial like serial a series. The first season of Serial transformed podcasting.

It trans it transformed podcasting itself but also the true crime storytelling in particular. That season of serial was hosted by Sarah Koig and in its first season they spent the entire season examining the 1999 murder of an 18-year-old high school senior named Hey Men Lee. They also looked at the conviction of her ex-boyfriend, a guy named Adnan Sed. And they spent 12 episodes.

And over 12 episodes, Koenig meticulously dissected the evidence. I mean, meticulously dissected the evidence. She did interviews and she cast doubts on the case and she did it in a conversational sort of real time investigative style that sort of took the world by storm. you had these like fan groups that were popping up about the podcast of the uh new hit show Serial.

Again, people a lot of people didn't know what a podcast was. So, this was an experiment. And what began as an experiment quickly exploded into a cultural phenomenon. Within weeks, episodes of the podcast serial were hitting unprecedented numbers, averaging a million downloads each.

Now again, Candace hits a million just on YouTube alone almost every day. That's that's kind of a new standard. But back then, a good podcast might hit 30 to 50,000 total downloads across all platforms. Serial all of a sudden was hitting 20 to 30 times that number every single episode.

By the season's end, they had amassed tens of millions of listens. Cumulative figures, if you look back, now surpass over 300 million listens and downloads across all platforms. It became the first podcast to win a Peabody award that inspired Saturday Night Live parodies. It dominated water cooler conversations at workplaces all over the country.

And it sparked endless online debates on social media platforms like Facebook, Twitter, Reddit about whether or not Adnan Sed killed Heyman Lee. The show singlehandedly ushered in a golden age of narrative podcast and it proved probably the first ever podcast to prove that long form audio journalism actually can captivate a mass audience. And so to understand the ser uh the series, you have to take a quick look at the prosecution's timeline. So this is what we would call back then the feds slop narrative of the adnan sed conviction.

Back then whatever they called it in 1999, it was a travesty. And this is what the narrative is. So everything I'm about to say from this point forward for the next few minutes is going to be sort of the narrative, the fed slop mainstream narrative of what happened on January 13th of 1999. Heyman Lee was a senior at Woodlon High School in Baltimore County, Maryland.

m. The prosecutors argued that Adnan say, then 17 years old, and her recent ex-boyfriend, asked Lee for a ride home after classes. Prosecutors claimed that he then strangled her in her car at the Best Buy parking lot about 20 to later, right after they left school. The prosecution argued he was motivated by jealousy over her new relationship.

According to the state's theory, Siad then contacted his acquaintance, a guy named Jay Wilds. He asked Jay Wilds to help him move the body. Prosecution used cell phone records from Sed's phone. And what they found was for parts of the day, Adnan Sied's phone was with Wild's phone.

And it was presented as corroboration of Wild's story. They used pings from cell phone towers and the pings placed Adnan Sied's phone near a park called Leakin Park. m. that night.

Jay Wilds claimed Adnan Sed had confessed to Wilds and he confessed that he had killed Heymon Lee and then he confessed to helping uh um that he confessed that wells testified that that uh uh Sed asked him for help burying the body. Lee's body was discovered in a shallow grave in Lincoln Park on February 9th, 1999. It's about three or four weeks later. Sad was arrested about 3 weeks after that.

His first trial ended in a mistrial, but a second trial resulted in a jury convicting him, and this was about a year later. They convicted him of first-degree murder, kidnapping, robbery, and false imprisonment. He was given an unbelievably hefty sentence for the crime. He was sentenced to life plus 30 years, meaning he would never see the light of day again.

Not not as a free man. But then along comes the serial podcast in 2014. The serial podcast force a closer public and legal examination of the conviction. And frankly, it's the type of examination that should have been done from day one by Adnan Sied's lawyers.

Koig reported uh uh ambiguities without declaring Sed definitively innocent or guilty. The podcast never weighed in on innocent or guilt. It just talked about the facts. It had an absolutely enormous reach in the Baltimore area.

And that enormous reach turned a l local Baltimore case into a national obsession. Listeners began pouring over the trial transcripts. They started looking at maps and and examining documents. Listeners found uh websites that still had the recordings.

They listened to recordings. They retraced the steps. They went through the timeline every step of the way. And in short, they dissected every detail imaginable, far more attention than his defense team ever paid to the case.

And the attention spurred additional investigations. It even spurred an uh a spin-off podcast called Undisclosed. 13 minutesUndisclosed was hosted by Sed's family friend and also an attorney, a woman named Rabia Chadri. And then later there was an HBO documentary series.

All of this coverage resulted in tremendous public pressure, tremendous new scrutiny on the case. And that pressure and scrutiny helped revive postconviction efforts that had previously failed. At the time, Sed was faced with a closed case. He had exhausted all of his appeals.

Simply put, he was out of legal options and the judicial system was suddenly faced with renewed questions. questions about fairness, the reliability of evidence, investigative shortcomings. There were a number of inconsistencies and flatout impossibilities that emerged under the intense spotlight of this reinvigorated investigation. Take Sed friend Jay Wild's account.

Wild's testimony was the cornerstone of the prosecution. In fact, they would never have convicted Sed without Jay Wilds. But under closer examination, his story changed. It repeatedly shifted.

From police interviews to trial testimony, he was telling a different story. He can be seen mixing up details regarding times and locations and sequences of events. In audio recordings, you can actually hear what sound like someone giving him direction on what to say and how to answer certain questions in certain ways. There was a a mysterious tapping, for example.

a mysterious tapping on the table [clears throat] at one point and then Sed would keep talking after the tapping. It was almost like he was being guided by investigators on what to say. At the time of Sed's conviction, cell phone tower data was treated as gospel proof. It was definitive placement evidence.

But by the time the case was being reinvestigated, cell phone tower data was highly questioned. In fact, the data itself carried disclaimers from carriers noting that incoming calls were not at all reliable for location purposes and experts had been employed to repeatedly challenge the use of cell phone tower location data. Then there's Asia Mlan. Asia Mlan was a classmate of Adnan says Mlan had come forward during the original case and provided an alibi.

She signed an affidavit stating that she had spoken with Adnan Sed at the public library about the exact same time as the alleged murder. Unbelievably, Sed's defense attorney, a woman named Christina Gutierrez, never contacted Asia Mlan. She never presented Asia Mlan's alibi testimony at trial. It's worth noting that Christina Gutierrez was later disbarred after client complaints.

allegedly. I'll just add that in there in case she's listening, but I think it's true. Uh, no physical evidence linked SED to the crime scene, meaning no DNA, no hair, no fingerprints, nothing. Motive.

The prosecution's uh uh idea of motive rested heavily on a portrait prosecutors painted of Sed as a controlling individual. This portrait was drawn partly from selective readings of Lee's diary. Later reviews uncovered Brady violations. Prosecutors, for example, had withheld critical information about alternative suspects that could have aided the defense.

So despite having exhausted all of his appeals, the issues raised by the crowdsourced investigation spurred on by this podcast but conducted by the people eventually led to Sed's release from prison when he was already out of options. In 2022, Baltimore City State Attorney Marilyn Mosby concluded a year-long reinvestigation into the case. At the conclusion of that investigation, she promptly filed a motion to vacate the conviction. The filing stated uh that the there had been withheld exculpatory evidence about alternative suspects.

It cited the lack of investigation and presentation of alibi witnesses, questionable phone ping technology. In short, this filing cited a complete erosion of confidence in the case that convicted Adnan say. September 19, 2022, Circuit Judge Melissa Finn vacated the conviction and she did so in the interest of justice and fairness. Sed walked out of prison, a free man after more than 23 years behind bars.

Charges were formally dropped on October 11th. However, Haymon Lee's brother, a guy named Young Lee, successfully argued that he had not received adequate notice of the hearing. And on that basis, an appellet court reinstated the conviction in March of 2023. Maryland's Supreme Court upheld that reinstatement in 2024, and they ordered a redo hearing while allowing Sed to remain free.

And that's when new state attorney, a guy named Ivan Bates, steps in because Ivan Bates then withdrew the motion to vacate. So Sad took it to the um the courts under Maryland's Juvenile Restoration Act. Uh it's it's an act that sort of permits reentencing. If you were convicted as a juvenile and you spent more than 20 years in jail or in prison, you you could be reentenced.

And so on March 6th, he was the judge reduced his sentence to time served plus a little supervised probation and she found that he was no longer a danger to the public. So as of today, Adnan Sed remains a free man. Even though his murder conviction still stands, he's a free man. He works as a program associate for Georgetown University's prison prison and justice initiative.

He supports efforts related to incarceration and more importantly to re-entry after people are let free. And he lives in Virginia with his wife and he went met his wife as a pen pal, believe it or not, while he was incarcerated. Chapter 3: The Crowdsource Investigation into Charlie Kirk's Passing is NOT Unprecedented I bring that up because people are acting like the crowdsourced investigation into who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why is somehow novel. It's never been done before.

That you you you just have to believe whatever the state says. And if the state says somebody did it, then you know the trial is just a mere formality. We just we just go on with life. Why on earth would you challenge it?

The FBI has spoken. The State Bureau of Investigation has spoken. The prosecutors have spoken. There's a mountain of evidence.

Well, that that was true too with Adnan Sed. But the reality is Adnan Sed got a lousy defense. There was a lot of evidence at the time that could have prevented a much stronger defense and it was ignored. It wasn't investigated.

m. in Pangu, Utah. It's frustrating. It's frustrating because as a as a society, when someone goes to prison, we want to know that they did it.

We want to know that they're guilty. We want to know that the person that we as a society because these people are operating on our behalf. We want to know that when when we put somebody behind bars, we're confident they're guilty. We want to know that their lawyers have done a good job and investigated all op uh all options, all avenues.

We want to make sure that that that the person's got the best offense possible. It is frankly a [clears throat] protection of all of us from being wrongfully convicted. And so we will continue our crowdsourced investigation. We will continue raising issues.

We're going to raise at least two tonight. We're going to continue raising issues and ask, does this make sense? Could Tyler Robinson have done this with a 306 from the Losi Center? So, let's dive into this a little bit because yes, these these things have been dissected, but not in the way we're going to talk about it tonight or this afternoon.

Uh, did I mention why I went early? I've got something to do tonight. I I wanted to get this uh show in this week. U I cannot guarantee that I'll be able to do a show tomorrow.

I might. I might, but I can't guarantee it. Um, and because of that, I wanted to uh to go ahead and do this. So, I want to take you all the way back.

This was this was released on May uh so excuse me on September the 12th. Chapter 4: The "Trust Me Bro" Fed Slop Videos to Date September the 12th. So Charlie Kirk passed away on September 10th. Uh on September 11, I'm excuse me, I'm going to take you back to September 11th.

Charlie Kirk passed away on September 10th. On September 11th, we all woke up and there was no suspect in custody. So the FBI starts releasing little bits of information. the FBI starts trickling stuff out.

Videos, pictures, um, descriptions. One of the things they released was a video. I want to show you this video. We've seen it a thousand times, but this is one of the videos that the FBI released that day.

Uh, just to orient you, this is the Losi Center up here. We have four rows of cars. We have a guy that when we pick up um is basically in full flight already from his what they promised us was a prone position and he is running across uh the rooftop. He's now running behind this little building up here.

He's running off to this corner. And we noticed at the time and we still talked about it when they showed this at the preliminary hearing that there's not a lot you can tell about this guy. You can't tell if he's white or black. You can't tell if he's Hispanic or Chinese.

You can't tell what color his jeans are. You can't tell what color his shoes are. You can't tell what he's holding in his hand. Whatever he's holding in his hand is flopping around a whole lot.

Not like a gun, but we'll we'll get to that in a minute. And then they show him running off to towards the street. So, that's just to reorient you on what we knew before the preliminary hearing. Well, the preliminary hearing comes and goes, and we're expecting really good image.

We didn't get it. We didn't get it. We actually got worse quality image than what we just saw right there. Now, we got more of it.

In other words, we got a little bit more before it happened, even though there was like five minutes cut or a minute cut out at the beginning and five minutes cut out towards the end. Uh, we got, I think, six or seven minutes removed from all the footage that they said they had, but we at least did not get a higher quality output. And I'll show you what the court showed us here before we go into um I'm going to mute this guy. I don't I don't want to hear David Hull.

Uh but David Hull is kind of uh talking his way through it. But you'll see this is actually lower quality footage. You will not see unless I show it to you. [laughter] I do apologize, ladies.

Uh you'll see this is actually lower quality footage than we got the first time because now you see him running into position, but he's even smaller than what the FBI showed us the first time. He's even blurriier. He looks more like Bigfoot. He looks less like a human being now.

He could be a blob. He could be absolutely anything. We have no idea what's going on. But he's up there and he lies in the prone position and and all this and we still have all these people moving around and then he runs off the building.

And I just show you that to 25 minutesshow you if you were trying to hide the ball, that's what you would do because they gave us descriptions. " Well, they don't show us that part and then they show it to us so distant that it's just a blob sort of standing there. We just have to take their word for it that that's what's happening. And we just have to sort of take their word for it that that, you know, but we're also taking their word for it that Lee Harvey Oswald killed John F.

Kennedy. We're taking their word for it that 15 Saudi nationals and four other people uh just on their own without anybody knowing about it took down the two World Trade Centers building seven the Pentagon and crashed a plane into Pennsylvania. We're just sort of taking their word for it. Sort of taking their word for it that Sirhan Sirhan killed RFK.

We just sort of get in this habit of taking their word for everything. 26 minutesAnd that's what they're doing here. They hide they hide the ball. Well, along comes the crowdsourced investigation.

Along comes the crowdsourced investigation. Along along comes, in my opinion, in an honest society, someone we give a Pulitzer prize to. Someone we would we would honor and and call a hero that would be on the front page of every newspaper. a woman who's out there standing up to um the power structure, taking all the heat that the power structure can throw at her and still releasing information on a timeline that shows you exactly who we're dealing with.

" Oh, we see him run into We see him run into position, might we? Trust me, he pulling out a firearm and assembling it with a screwdriver. Yeah, well, Officer Hall, I can't see any of that. That's the best we've got, mate.

We can't make it any better. You're just going to have to trust us. He's firing a weapon. Well, okay.

Chapter 5: Candace Owens Releases New Video on Rooftop of Losee Center And that's when we get sources. That's when we get Candace Owens popping in and saying, you know, I was curious how you'd play this preliminary hearing. I was curious precisely how you would handle this. I was curious if you would show the highest quality images you had.

And we can see now actually what was going on at the scene. We can actually see a guy throw out what appears to be a mat or something. That is not a firearm. He puts out.

Let me go back and show that one more time. That's not a firearm. You can see him unfurl something. I think it's a wie.

I'll show you what that is in just a second. But then he crawls up on it. Well, if you've ever gone shooting, you'd know the last thing you want to do is shoot off of gravel. Not very comfortable.

So, you'd want something nice and padded to jump in there. You see him lying prone for an extended period of time here, not really doing much. And then you'll see him get up and run away. And I'm going to tell you, the one thing they did not want us to notice is that he does not have a firearm.

There's no gun. It's obvious there's no gun. No one can point to a gun. " But now he's getting up and watch this.

Where's the gun? There's no gun. There's there's there's some blanket flopping around, but there's no gun. You cannot see a gun.

It's not there. So, she goes forward and says, "Okay, well, that's the actual moment of the shooting. Let's see if he has a gun when he's running into position. Does anybody see a gun?

Can anyone point to a firearm? This is a 42inch long firearm. It should be It should be sticking out of both sides of his body or up over his shoulder or down to the You can't run with a firearm and not have it be visible. It's impossible.

you I mean it's not between his legs. You pause it with his legs open. There's no gun there. Where the hell is the gun?

Where is the firearm? Where's the weapon? It's not there. It's not there.

Footage like this was available. The quality of footage we're looking at now, probably even higher quality if we're being honest, is available. They have it. It's in their possession.

The prosecution has it. The government has it. This the defense may or may not have it. But there's no gun.

No gun. At any point that he's running, is there a gun? I can keep pausing it. And there's no gun.

I want to pause it right there because you see he's wearing something that that sort of jumps out. You see, he's wearing something that sort of jumps out over him. And I want to show you what's known as a wie. This is a wubby.

You can buy it on the Wii store. This is how you wear the wubby. You see that? You put it around you and you take off running and then when you get to where you're going to go, you have a mat that you can then unfurl or lay on top of.

This is this is not unusual for military trained people to have something like this on them if they're going to have an operation. is not an unusual thing to have. Now, I want to show you this. Doesn't that look a lot like what he has over him?

It would be, but I don't want to get lost on that. I can't say definitively that's what it is, but that's what it looks like to me. Some sort of poncho. Either a hooded poncho or an unhooded poncho.

But what you will not see in any of these images is a firearm. There's just not one. You can pause it as many times as you want, as many different places as you want, and he doesn't have one. And then he gets down, he starts crawling, and there's no firearm there either.

Now, I did this in my front yard. I'm sure my neighbors called the police. I'm not sure, but I took some rifles out front and I got down on my knee and I held a rifle in one hand and I got down in this exact position. I'll tell you a couple things about it.

I'm not the most unathletic person you've ever met. I'm not the most athletic person, but I'm not the most unathletic person. I'm more athletic than Tyler Robinson. I can promise you that.

I don't care what sport he wants to play. I'll beat him. I am 46 years old and I will pound him. I don't care what sport it is.

Now, he might beat me in Magic the Gathering. He might beat me in Rubik's Cube, but I'm going to beat him in anything he wants to do. Any any fitness competition, any sport he wants to play, I win. You want to box?

You want to wrestle? What do you want to do, big boy? I will take him out. And I can assure you when I have a firearm in my hand and I run and then I jump down to my knees and I start crawling, it doesn't look that good.

Not initially. After doing it a few times, it got better. I said he had a wie, not a Woody. [laughter] But there's nothing in his hand.

Cuz you know how I know this? because when you're holding a long rifle now, the the easiest one to do it with was like an AR platform rifle cuz they're very balanced and they're kind of compact and you can you can bring the stock in and they're only about that that big, you know, and you could sort of crawl along with it, but even then the gun is out here. I mean, you're like you you have to keep your elbow up to pull this off. You can't do it like this.

You you have no balance. And if you do it like this, the the the barrel's up here. There's no way to crawl like that without a rifle being seen. It's impossible.

It is absolutely impossible to crawl like that without a rifle being seen. I challenge anybody to go do it. Be filmed from behind crawling like that with no rifle being seen. A 42-in long rifle.

It's not there. It's not there. Now, maybe he had a smaller gun. Maybe he had an AR platform gun in his hand, but that's not what we're told.

We're told it was granddad's 300 6. A 306 is 42 in long. It's 3 and 1/2 ft long. It's as tall as a sevenyear-old, 8-year-old.

No, I will not show the footage of me crawling around. I saw somebody asked for that. It will not I will not show that. But there's no gun there.

There's absolutely no firearm in his hand. Period. End of story. If there was, you would see an endless parade of fed sloppers pointing to the gun.

You would see circles. Unnecessary world were red circles, but you would see red circles. You would see arrows. You would see words across the screen.

Granddad's 306, granddad's mouser. It's not there. It's just not there. And if there's no gun, if there's no granddad's 3006 mouser, he was not shot from the Losi center roof.

And if there's some other type of gun, he wasn't shot with a 300 6. Tyler Robinson's no longer a suspect. Send him home. But what frustrates me, what genuinely frustrates me is this footage has been available since September 11th.

September 11th. Probably been shown if I had to guess. to Erica Kirk and her lawyers if I had to guess. And it was shown in courtroom apparently in super high quality, which means all of the fed sloppers that walked out of there and told you they saw a gun and they saw him pull the trigger, they lied to you.

And but for a pregnant mother of four working out of her basement in Nashville, we wouldn't know this. And that is an absolute disaster for the criminal justice system. It's an absolute disaster for civilization, frankly, because again, as a civilization, we elect people and those people prosecute people on our behalf. They put people in prison.

They kill people on our behalf. They take the lives of criminal defendants and they do it on our behalf. And they have known since the day this happened that that guy didn't have a gun. They've known.

It is absolutely plain as day. But Baron, not every murderer has 4K HD footage. You can convict people in the absence of it. Yeah, you can.

That's true. But when you have it and it shows something fundamentally different than you're trying to use and you're trying to tell us happened, then we can't disregard it. " No, we're going to look at it. We have it.

If if I tell you someone broke in my house and then you look at all my camera footage in my house and no one ever came in, but I'm trying to blame my neighbor for breaking in my house, I can't say go arrest my neighbor. Trust me, bro. " Well, he didn't have to be on camera breaking in my house. You don't have Not every home burglary has camera footage, right?

But you do. And you do have camera footage. And you would see someone break in your house. And we looked at the footage and there's no one there.

Well, what are you, a conspiracy theorist? A candy cult member? No, guys. This is exoneration.

That's what you're looking at. You can't shoot somebody with a 306 without a 30 six. You can't. It can't happen.

And it's not there. It's just not there. Hold on. I want to I want to show the footage where she plays it all uninterrupted.

Where was that? Is that this? Maybe this. Let me pull this back up.

So, we know he doesn't have a gun in his hand at this point. He doesn't have a 306 in his hand at this point. He may have a pistol. He may have a a shorter rifle platform.

He may have something on an AR platform with a collapsible stock, but we know he does not have a 306 in his hand. It is irrefutable. Irrefutable. So, if he doesn't have a 30 odd six in his hand when he's running, he doesn't have one there.

And if he doesn't have one there, he couldn't have shot him with it. Yeah. So, this is going to show him. So, we're going to have to wait a second cuz he's going to he's going to go fleeing in just a second.

And when he goes fleeing in a second, we're going to pause it and we're going to show you that there's no rifle in his hand there either. There's a towel or a bag or something that flops around. All right. there.

He So, he's getting up. He's grabbing whatever's on the ground as he's starting to run. He's now picked it up. And whatever is in his hand is right there.

That big black thing, they're telling you that's a 306. They're telling you that's a 42-inch long firearm. Look at it. It's flopping around.

Firearms don't flop around. What they're doing is disgusting. What they're doing is disgusting. When we transition in just a minute and show you the language from the medical examination, I'll show you it's even more disgusting than that because I think I'm going to bring something to the table today that's not been discussed publicly that I'm aware of.

I actually searched X right before going on air. I almost was late because I was trying to just if anyone else had said, you know, the credit game plays. " So, I just want to make sure no one else has said it first. I don't think anyone else has said it.

Chapter 6: New Information from Medical Examiner Report Combined with Charlie Kirk Video Footage Disputes Official Narrative Here is the new filing that the prosecution then I want to go back and look at the fed slappers, but here is the new filing from the prosecution. It has language in it from the medical examiner's report. And I know initially my reaction was the same as others because we all said the same thing. I don't remember this being in the preliminary hearing.

And then it dawned on me, oh, it wasn't because this was the medical examination that they just admitted and they didn't show. They didn't read from. They had an off. They didn't have anyone from the medical examiner's office in there that could be cross-examined on any of this.

And this would have been a very enlightening cross-examination if the defense was prepped for that cross-examination. It would have been very enlightening. I hope the defense is watching because what we're about to cover may prove that he wasn't shot. Instead, they got it in through a cop.

" All he did was read it. They could have just They didn't even need to ask the cop about it. They could have just admitted the evidence and let the judge read it himself. The bullet also, I'm reading from right here, third line from the bottom.

The bullet also obliterated the left side of the C2 to C7 vertebrae and transsected the cervical spinal cord. transsected spinal cord, meaning it was completely torn in half. There was no signal from the brain to Charlie Kirk's body. Everything from the chin down [clears throat] was absent.

There was a gap. 42 minutesThe medical examiner observed a significant portion of Mr. Kirk's cervical spinal cord was traumatically absent. Absent, missing, not there, not damaged, not less, not tears, absent.

a significant portion of his spinal cord was absent. I can't play the video footage, but I know you've all seen it or a lot of you have seen it. So, I'm going to describe it and I want you guys to go back and remember it. Maybe pull it up and watch it on your own time.

If you remember immediately after the bang, his shirt comes up. Well, the first thing that happens is the shirt goes out. There's a side view that shows it perfectly. Before the shirt goes up, the 43 minutesback of the shirt goes out.

One frame before you see the whole collar of the shirt stand off of his neck about 4 in. And then, and when it does that, there's no visible hole. There's no blood. There's no anything.

You can see the shirt go back and you see nothing in his neck. That's inconsistent with being shot with a gun in the neck. Then you see his shirt fly up and the road microphone come over. The road microphone migrates to the same place that the necklace is migrating.

They're all go and the necklace behind him is going back. So everything's sort of moving back over his left shoulder. The necklace is being pulled that way. The road microphone is being pulled that way.

Everything's moving in this direction. But the interesting thing is, and this got me on the path towards the electrocution theory when I covered that months ago, because I remember getting an email from a neurosurgeon. " And that's where he did this. His hands came up and clenched.

He clenched the microphone, clenched his jaws, everything clenched in his body. He got real tense. " And then after that, Andrew Kovette comes out and says basically he was obliterated from C1 to C6. Well, this says C2 to C7, whatever.

And the guy said if he had a spinal he said I can guess from that that he had a complete spinal severing. And I said okay doc what does that tell you? And he said if you have a complete spinal severing there is no decorticate posturing. There's no clinching.

There's no grabbing your fist. There's no holding a microphone. There's no sitting upright. He said you would nearly instantaneously go flaccid from that part down.

every muscle from that point down within a tenth of a second or less would immediately lose all control. Your hands would go limp, your arms would come down, your body would slump. Like you would be toast. And if you think about how fast that is on a camera, let's say a camera's filming at 30 frames per second, that's like one or two frames.

Well, if you go back and watch any of that footage, it's really like one to two seconds, 30 to 60 frames that he's clenched up holding on to the microphone and then he slowly lets the microphone out. He doesn't just he everything doesn't just fall limp. He lets that microphone go. It slowly his hand opens and the microphone slowly at first it just drops a little bit and then his hand opens a little more and it drops a little more.

This is seconds after the fact. And he said, "I've watched that footage a hundred times. That is impossible if he had a severed spinal cord. " And he said it he would have to have something that would cause his body to clench up, something in addition to any kind of trauma in his neck.

And he's the one who suggested. " And I said, "Well, I actually have. I mean, I remember Ali Top Files talking about that before I'd even considered it. And maybe he was electrocuted in some some capacity.

And so, we did a whole show on it on was he electrocuted? We showed his hands at YouTube did not like that. Um, we had to demonetize that episode because they did not like that. Um, but we saw his hands.

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We saw what looked like uh dark spots on his hands. And then Candace releases the footage from behind and we see even more dark spots on his hands with even greater clarity. We saw the footage of of Charlie being taken off after the fact and he had goosebumps on him and the the guy said goosebumps are consistent with electrocution. So I thought maybe he was electrocuted and maybe he was.

I don't know. I'm not here to definitively state he was electrocuted. I'm not here to definitively state he was hit with some sort of energy weapon that we don't even know and can't contemplate. What I'm here to say is he wasn't shot with a gun.

The injuries are impossible if you were shot with a gun. You cannot have a transsected spinal cord from C2 to C7 traumatically absent. That much spinal cord missing. Not a little, not not like your spinal cord did this, but like it did this.

It's gone. It's not there. There's no communication from the brain to the body. The body instantly goes limp.

It instantly goes flaccid. You lose muscle tone. You lose the ability to clench, to grip, to move, to hold your hands upright with a microphone in it. You guys have seen it.

It's impossible. It cannot happen. 48 minutesI'll show you in a second. I have scientific proof of that and I'll show it to you in just a moment.

But it makes the story even lousier. The story was already lousy. Oh, he got shot with a 306 and it didn't go through his neck. Great.

I think they released this to say, "Oh, but tremendous damage was done. There was tremendous force inside of his body. It got down into his lungs and his heart. It got up to the top of his head and his brain, but the bullet just kind of stopped just like in a cartoon.

I want to pull this back up. Kirk suffered other severe injuries including including bilateral I'm not going to pronounce these words right. You can make fun of me all you want. I noticed that when Candace released these u this this information they went back and made fun of her for not knowing, you know, mispronouncing words.

Okay, that's the lowest budget attack I've ever heard. I I I hate to use the R word. I hate to call things racist, but by God it looks racist to it. does.

It just does. And it and coming from Blake and Andrew, it makes sense that it would be racist. Mr. Kirk suffered other severe injuries, including bilateral meaning both sides, a meaning the top, posterior and intercostal hemorrhages, pulmonary apical hemorrhages and hematonas, hematas, multiple disruptions of the thyroid, crycoid and tracheal cartilages.

This is a tremendous amount of damage to the upper part of the lung, to the space between the ribs, to the heart. There's a lot going on in here, including damage to the back of the brain. Again, I go back and say everything seemed to be pulling this way. Everything seemed to be pulling this way.

What it looks like is he was hit with a blast of energy from here to here pulling everything that way and not just here. Not just here because whatever that energy was allowed him to continue to hold on to that microphone, to continue clenching his fist, to continue to be uh uh flexed at the elbows. And you cannot do those things without a spinal cord. I'll show you what I mean by that.

Oh, hold on. I gotta find it. There we go. There is a study in 2007 by Todd Taylor and Gandeia and others.

I'll show you the study in a second, but I want to read from it. The study is called use of motor cortex stimulation to measure simultaneously the changes in dynamic muscle properties and voluntary activation in human muscles. In other words, if you sever the brain's ability to communicate with the body, what happens to the musculature in the body? Now, it's it's it'd be cruel to just like cutting people's heads off and measuring how long it takes them to drop something.

You can't do that. That's not good science. But what you can do is you can use stimulation in the brain that simulates a total shutdown of communication from here to here. And they did that.

And what they found was pretty shocking. The abrupt sessation, meaning the instant stopping of cortical output and motor neuron activity, meaning the the abrupt stopping of the signaling to the body, means that all of the muscle fibers engaged in voluntary contraction, meaning your ability to hold a fist, hold a microphone, hold your elbows up, all muscle fibers engaged in the voluntary contraction plus any additional mus uh additional fibers recruited start to relax within a period of a few milliseconds milliseconds thousands of a second. Thus relaxation rates reflect properties of the muscle rather than the ability of subjects to withdraw neural drive as in voluntary relaxation. The average duration.

So they even measured it scientifically. How long did it take these people to drop an object? How long did it take them to completely go flaccid? The average duration ra uh ranged between 122 and 149 milliseconds.

53 minutesOne/tenth of a second, a tenth and a half of a second. It's all you get. And at that point, you don't just start dropping stuff slowly and slowly opening. You go limp.

You cannot stand. You cannot sit. You cannot hold a microphone. You cannot clinch your fist.

You cannot flex your elbows. It's all just within a tenth and a half of a second. It is a tremendous a tremendous blow to their story. a tremendous blow to their story.

Hold on. I got to pull this back up. Where'd it go? Hang on.

I'll have to pull it back up in a second. I accidentally closed it. Just so you know, I'm not making it up. I mean, you can you can go back and and find it yourself, but I'll pull it up.

Here it is. This is the study. It's all here. It's available for free on PubMed.

This is the one a neurosurgeon points to and says, "This is your analog. This is what happened. Use of motor cortex stimulation to measure simultaneously the changes dynamic muscle properties and voluntary activation in human muscles. when when you um when this happens, what Charlie Kirk did becomes impossible.

It becomes absolutely impossible. [laughter] Similar articles, anal sphincter fatigue. We're not going to read that one, ladies and gentlemen. [laughter] We're not we're not going to read that one.

Uh a commonly cited thing, but anyway, you go and you pull the article down and you read it. You can read it yourself. You can check it out. It's there.

It's there. And it's not the only one. Uh I was actually given a whole bunch of articles um that all basically said the same thing. They measured it differently from time to time.

Um there's there's one from cats and ma the measurement of synaptic delay in the time course of acetylcholine release at neuromuscular junction. Um what else did he give me here? Uh words I can't pronounce with limb and axial motor neurons. They all say the same thing.

Uh corticospinal facilitation of hand muscles during voluntary movement in the conscious monkey. So I guess they did do this with monkeys. But I I have maintained that whatever happened to Charlie Kirk was complex. It was at a very high level.

Um and it was designed to ensure 100% death no matter what. It it was absolutely insured to no matter what ensure death. We're not going to take the chance that he walks out of there. We're not going to take the chance he wakes up after a good surgery and says, "Woo, that was rough.

What was that? what happened. Tell me what I missed. We're not going to take that chance.

We are going to ensure death at all costs. We're not going to leave it up to a sniper on the roof because a sniper might miss. Bullets do weird things. People live through weird stuff.

I read a story the other day. It was a weird story. I thought about doing an opening out of it. It was a uh a preacher in Idaho.

I think it was in Moscow, Idaho, maybe. A preacher in Idaho is uh given a speech, I think, or a talk about Ted Cruz. This is back in 2016. And a guy walks in and shoots him point blank with a 45 caliber firearm.

Six times, five times in the body and once point blank in the head. And the guy lived and he's still preaching like he's still a thing. He served in the Idaho legislature after that. So you can't take a ch if you need someone to die.

you can't take a chance shooting them. I think the best evidence that this was a an organized operation is that they did not take any chances and that they might have deployed weapons that you and I can't even dream of, can't even think of. We don't even have the capacity to know what's going on. We talk about exploding microphones.

We talk about the necklace did weird things. Talk about the injury. Now, we know a little bit additional in uh additional information about the injuries from the top of his head to the middle of his chest. There's a lot going on here.

But it wasn't a gunshot wound to the neck. There's no way. There's no way. It wasn't Tyler Robinson.

There wasn't a 30 out six on the roof. And if you if you take those two out of the equation, now you're dealing with something pretty fancy. Now you're dealing with something pretty fancy because not only are we ensuring he's dead, now we're framing somebody. Like we've got a we've got a multi- agency deal going on here.

If you think a multi- agency coverup can't um can't can't come up with some pretty fancy technology to kill someone, you're out of your mind. You're out of your uh I'll remind people on this Candace footage. The prosecution wanted everything released. The victim's representative, Erica Kirk, wanted everything released.

And so anybody complaining about the release can only be taking the side of Tyler Robinson in the defense. Anybody complaining that Candace Owens released additional footage, you're taking Tyler Robinson's side. He was the one that wanted stuff not shown. He was the one that thought it would be prejuditial.

It was his lawyers who were moving to keep the cameras out of the courtroom. " It was his lawyers objecting to all the evidence being shown at all, introduced or shown. 59 minutesAnd so Candace did Erica a favor. She was team Erica that day.

I have a feeling she'll be team Erica again in the future. [laughter] I have a feeling Erica's going to change her mind on whether or not she wants all this stuff released. But nevertheless, nevertheless, I mean, that's what Candace hinted at. I'll say that.

She kind of hinted that, hey, you guys better calm down or it could get really bad for you. Well, I hope it does because they're not calming down. They're now calling for Candace to be jailed, have her electronics taken from her by the FBI. Why?

Because she's releasing footage that Erica Kirk wanted released. I want everything out in the open. I want everything disclosed. I want Why would you be upset with Candace Owens?

You guys should be thanking her. You should be thanking her. This is what they wanted. She's on their side on this issue.

On this issue, she is on their side. The reality is they wanted their information released on their terms. This reaction is disclosing um that they're lying to you and they know they're lying to you because otherwise they'd be thanking her. You're right.

Erica did want everything released. Candace, thank you for for facilitating that. The prosecution and the defense apparently conspired to not release everything. and you did.

So, we thank you for that. I appreciate your work on this, your hard work on this. You guys shouldn't be threatening Candace Owens with jail. You should be throwing a ticker tape parade in Heroes Canyon in New York City.

People should be out there kissing sailors. This is precisely what they said they wanted. This is precisely what Erica Kirk has said she wanted the whole time. This is precisely what Erica Kirk has wanted the whole time.

And if it's what she wanted, why are we complaining? Why are we complaining? I want to go back into the prosecution's new filing for just a moment. Chapter 7: New Discord Messages from "Tyler Robinson" Indicate His Friends Didn't Believe His "Confession" Because they have dropped new Discord messages.

New Discord messages. This is Let me see. Make sure I've got it right here. Move this over here so I can read it.

Um, here we go. From page 10, the bullet point list of all the different ways Tyler Robinson confessed. Um, it was me. Look at the pictures from the surveillance footage.

It was me. I'm serious. What does this tell you? Now, we don't see the give and take.

We don't see the back and forth, but when you see Tyler Robinson having to convince people it was him, what does it sound like the conversation was ha was was? What does it sound like the nature of the conversation was on the other side of it? Does it sound like his friends believed it was him? Does it sound like the people in the Discord chat believed it was him?

It was me. Look at the pictures from the surveillance footage. It was me. I'm serious, guys.

Hey, it was me. I'm serious. It's like you walk in and somebody's done something amazing and no one knows who did it and and like the nerdiest guy in the class is like, "I did it. " Everyone's like, "Shut up, Timmy.

Shut up. You didn't do this. It was me, guys. I'm serious.

I'm serious, guys. I did it. " I I I I look at that and I think it sounds like they don't think it was him. Uh we've seen this one.

Hey guys, I have bad news for you all. It was me at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry for all of this. I'm surrendering through a sheriff friend in a few moments.

Um there's considerable doubt whether that was um before or after he was in custody. Uh they did not answer that question sufficiently at the preliminary hearing. " Okay. Well, that's not very comforting.

That's that's hearsay to an unnamed source. We talk about reliability of hearsay. That's the standard in in Utah, reliable hearsay. We'll allow hearsay under rule 1102 in a preliminary hearing, but the judge gets to determine if it's reliable.

Uh, your honor, is that reliable to you? Uh, I heard he turned himself in around . Okay. Who heard from whom?

Uh, someone. Was this a police officer? I don't have to tell you. Do you know his name?

I don't want to talk about it. That's the quality of the information we were getting out of the preliminary hearing. 2, so it sounds like it's the same document. is the same same uh series of discord confessions.

But after he says, "I have bad news for you all. It was me at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry for all this. " After he says that again, look at this.

2 at one. 2 at two. It looks like to me it's the same conversation. Why would you Why would you lump a bunch of different conversations into the same exhibit?

That doesn't make sense. And so he's now having to convince his friends it was him as if they didn't believe him. If if I had a friend who's like, I have bad news. Oh gosh, I need to quit clicking stuff.

If I if if I got this message from a friend, I have bad news. It was me at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry for all this. I'm sing for my sheriff friend in a few moments.

I mean, you know, you either say, man, that sucks. Why did you do that? or you write back and say, "Shut up. " I'm serious, guys.

It was me. Look at the pictures. It was me. It was me.

I'm serious. Hey, sorry to butt in, but just for context, it does appear to be from the same conversation. It should be from the Dungeons and Dragons Discord. 1 at 9 that matches our PDF pages, page 9, page eight from those text conversations.

So it should be a first and second page there. Yeah. So, so Daisy is saying she believes based on the context it is the same conversation. It's the same discord with his Dungeons and Dragons friends.

And it doesn't sound like they believed him. I'd like to see the rest of that conversation. I'd like to see the rest of that conversation. And I'd like to know who those people are.

And I'd like to know if they were questioned about why they didn't believe him. And I'd like to see those statement because he's he's going on too much trying to convince people it was him. And keep in mind, right after he writes this, he walks into a court uh into the sheriff's office says, "I don't want to talk about it. I got a right to remain silent.

I know my rights. You're not going to trap me. Nuh-uh. I don't have to tell anyone on earth I did this.

" Well, apparently you just like begged your friends to believe you that it was you. Uh, so the rest of these seem to be uh statements we already have, but that's a that's a a new addition to the statement lineup we have from uh from Tyler Robinson. That's something we had not seen before. Just like we had not seen the um the medical examiner's report, we still haven't seen the medical examiner's report.

We still haven't seen it. We've only seen now two clips of it, two little statements from it. Um, hold on. Uh, we now have the, uh, statement from the prosecution is the first time they said that he assembled the rifle with a screwdriver.

This is in their statement here, um, that he did some assembling with a screwdriver. Yeah, you uh defendant used the screwdriver to assemble the uh rifle on the Losi building roof. They cite the transcript, but they I don't think that's accurate. I went back and looked at that.

It says he appeared to be assembling the rifle. We inferred he was assembling the rifle. I can't remember exactly how they said it in the actual transcript. Um we concluded he assembled it.

I can't remember exactly how they said it, but in the in the statement on the filing, they said that he did. And I don't know how they know that unless Tyler Robinson told you, unless whoever was on that roof told you. Um because you guys at the trial, at the preliminary hearing could not testify. And the final piece here that is new information.

Uh we'll go to page 13. Paragraph two. Um let me make it big enough for you to see it. They acknowledge Tyler Robinson was a terrible shot.

We we we saw that when they showed us the targets out of his place. Uh evidence also demonstrates defendant was not certain to hit only his target, Mr. Kirk. Defendant loaded his rifle with four cartridges, creating a reasonable inference that he anticipated his first shot might miss.

Moreover, evidence of defendants's target practice before the shooting shows that he did not always hit the bullseye. [laughter] We had a good time on this show talking about his terrible eye. This is not a dead eyee, guys. This is a not a ringer.

This guy sucks. Indeed, some of his shots completely missed the paper target. Yeah, we pointed that out, sir. We were well aware of that.

And even if defendant had previously calibrated his rifle and scope, he had disassembled the rifle to transport it to the roof undetected and then reassembled it on the rooftop using the screwdriver he left there. One reasonable inference from these facts is that the reassembled rifle would not be as accurate as it previously was when it was cited while in one piece. No, you guys representing the state or Tyler Robinson because we made these exact same points. In fact, it's such a reasonable inference, I I'm not sure too many people believe it.

Keep in mind, he didn't just disassemble and reassemble the rifle. 72 miles to the Losi center, climbed stairs, went downstairs, crawled around on his belly, grabbed it, and did a l some sort of military crawl with it. And we're supposed to believe none of that changed the the sighting except for about that much, left or right. I don't buy that.

That's not a story I'm willing to accept. I am unwilling to accept that as a conclusion. That is not only a reasonable inference, Mr. Prosecutor, it is a near certainty in my opinion.

If you disassemble a rifle and put it back together, you better go back to the range. You better get that thing dialed back in. In fact, Jesse on Fire, or maybe it was Nate, can't remember, one of them noticed that in the pictures after the fact, the the the optic wasn't even really attached to the rifle anymore. When did that happen?

When did the When did the optic come loose and slide around? You want to talk about not being accurate? I mean, yeah, maybe you could use the iron sights from that distance, but he didn't. They're not telling us he did.

It had a had a scope on it. 11 minutesNow, they use that to say that, well, he obviously endangered other people. He needs some sort of enhancement because he put other people at risk in committing this murder. Um the the way I look at it that goes towards innocence.

That goes towards that wasn't a 306 shot from the roof. If I'm being honest, if I'm being honest. Um so let's look Chapter 8: Fed Sloppers Strangely Quiet After Candace Dropped Footage real quick. What have our Fed sloppers had to say?

Let's just let's just take them one by one here. Um Fed slopper number one. Benny likes Johnson. Benny Johnson, excuse me.

Benny Johnson here. What what does Benny Johnson have to say about this? Well, he's talking about Trump, talking about foreign wars, talking about Elon Musk, uh talking about uh uh Ran Paul, talking about uh all this stuff. Yeah, it seems they've gotten off of the Tyler Robinson is guilty incessant train.

Uh no, tell me you're shocked that Benny Johnson posted that video. [laughter] Tell tell me you're uh tell me you're shocked that Benny Johnson sees that and doesn't go I should put that on my timeline. That looks great. That looks like a perfect video.

Got more President Trump. We got the Eagles. We got $350 $350 million DOJ fraud. I mean, they just completely have gotten off the Tyler Robinson uh bandwagon.

They got caught lying. They got caught telling a tale that wasn't true. And now they're now they're on to scaring people again because this is this is how the Republican uh mainstream Republican apparatus operates. Frankly, the Democrat mainstream apparatus operates as well.

Um and now he's making fun of Fouchy. Yeah. So this is this is Benny like Benny Johnson here uh talking about uh more Fouchy. I mean, Benny, you were one of the key figures here.

You were one of the key figures that talked about Tyler Robinson being seen in ultra highdefin 4K HD. And if you scan your your uh uh Twitter feed from the last couple days, there's nothing on it at all. Instead, we get this op from Fouchy. I'll tell you about that.

I'll give you my opinion on that before we close tonight. I've got a very strong opinion on that and it and it differs a little bit from from what I see out there from the mainstream, but this is all he's talking about. Fouchy, Fouchy, Fouchy, Fouchy, Fouchy, Fouchy got a little Mandami, some Sean Hannity. Okay.

Well, that's that's Benny likes. That's that's that's Benny here. What about undercover agent Jack Pasobic? What about undercover agent Jack Bobic?

Uh Jack Bobic was one of the Fed Slop influencers that came out of there. Um now we're talking about uh tight Senate races. Um we're talking about oh the Julian Dory podcast with uh with with Joseph uh what's his name? Joseph uh can't see because I got the title over it.

Joseph uh he's a professor now. Um but but nothing about Candace's video that I can see here. The you know what these people do? See how they just do these tweet storms?

Two hours, two hours, two hours. They they just tweet constantly so that anything they've said in the past gets buried so far down their timeline, they can't be held accountable for it. But this has been one of the worst couple of weeks in a row in the history of the Tyler Robinson investigation. And these guys have have abandoned it.

They've abandoned discussion of it. They're just gone. not talking about it at all. So that's Jack Pobic there ignoring it.

15 minutesUh what about Officer Tater tot? ergeant Shekels. What are we talking about, Sarge? Well, let's find out.

Sergeant Shekels, you should be just just thanking uh um Candace left and right. No, we're talking about illegal immigration. We're talking about um a a guy being shot on a Puerto Rican beach. Um some criminal case in Mississippi.

Oh, here we go. There's so much more footage. Now we finally got something. So much more footage.

Prosecutors showed of crystal clear campus video catching Tyler Robson's face clearly on the stairs. It's not illegal, sir, to be on the stairs. There's nothing wrong with being on the stairs. There's nothing wrong with uh driving into a parking garage.

There's nothing wrong that's not illegal to eat at Chick-fil-A. Not illegal to walk around on stairs. The reality is they cannot put him on the roof. They just can't.

It's evil watching bad faith actors lie to their audience about what actually happened in that courtroom during the hearing. I was there. Yeah. So, they're avoiding they're they're misdirecting.

They're misdirecting here. Now, we're talking about Fouchy. Now we're talking about some Judge Matthysse, whoever that is. Um, somebody getting scared at a gas station.

More Fouchy. More Fouchy. Uh, some Senate race in Michigan. Tony Romo getting drunk.

I mean, anything to avoid the fact that you got proven to be an absolute on there liar by telling us about this super high quality footage on the roof where you could see a gun and a shot being fired and you could see it was Tyler Robinson. Anything at all to Anything at all to avoid talking about that? Anything at all to avoid talking about that? But he was on the stairs.

Yeah, you're allowed to walk on stairs. You can't be charged with walking on stairs. What about Hebrew Kovette? He's one of my uh favorite people to follow on Twitter because of his frequent meltdowns and total collapse of logic and common sense.

Oh, look. They're back in the studio. Oh, Blake's back in the studio. Andrew is still uh I believe in Santa Barbara.

I'm not sure where they where he is in that studio, but um but again, not not talking about Tyler Robinson. Not talking about Tyler Robinson. Uh they they've been punched in the nose and they're running. Nothing here at all.

Uh this is another confession from Tyler Robinson. Again, I did it, guys. I did it. It was me.

I swear. I don't know why you guys say it wasn't me. I swear. I swear.

Then he then he then he comments on the or he's quoting from somebody who comments on the uh medical examination that in me proves it wasn't a gunshot. We could do this for all the fed sloppers. We have all their timelines pulled up here. I'm not going to run through them all, but we got paralyzed testicles.

We've got Lisa Knows nothing. We got Blake Nefspeed. We got Seth Diddlin. We got Spam Allen, Matt Retardio, Louder with Chowder.

We got them all in here, guys. every one of them. And not a single one of them admitted what we all saw with our own eyes, which is that on that rooftop what they describe does not exist. They got caught lying.

They got caught lying. They promised us. I know you guys couldn't see it because of whatever, but we were there. And we'll tell you wise what was there.

will tell you what was there. Chapter 9: Fauci Hearings This Week are a Modified Limited Hangout Let me let me give you my thoughts on Fouchy since they all seem to be obsessed with the whole Fouchy thing yesterday was a deep state operation. All of it. Um he was pardoned already.

Uh Trump has now said he's not going to challenge his pardon. The statute of limitations have run on anything he did anyway. So, we're going to release his diary. We're going to think that a maniacal madman is going to lay on his bed like he's on a pink bedspread with his feet crossed and up in the air behind him with pigtails opening up his diary and writing a deer diary.

I was on a cover of New York Times today. It was a flattering piece. I've given you my thoughts on CO, but I'll I'll summarize them briefly. CO was a deep state operation.

It was a deep deep deep state operation. Um it was a CIA run operation in order to cover up the fact that Anthony Fouchy had recreated the H5N9 flu or H7N9 flu, whatever it was, one of these old flu from the earliest 20th century that ran rough shot over the entire globe. and they got caught and it was going to they were going to get exposed because not only did they recreate it, they bragged about it. They bragged about recreating it.

They find some frozen bird in Alaska from a hundred years ago. 20 minutesAnd inside this frozen bird, they open it up and they examine it and they find this very virulent flu. And so they do what any normal person would do, right? Take it back to the lab and make sure you can recreate it so that if it ever gets out, it devastates the planet again.

Normal people would probably throw the throw the bird on a funeral p make sure it burns up and doesn't hurt harm anybody ever. Most people wouldn't take one of the worst bugs that's ever been unleashed on the planet and make sure we have extra copies of it. That's not all they did though. They they they publicized this.

This is not me being a conspiracy theorist. They put this like in the journal Na Nature or Lancet or something. You can go read it. I'm not making this up.

I'm not going to take the time to go find it and pull it. But it's out there. This is everything I'm saying is fact from this point forward. They go and they find this virus.

They come back to the lab. They make sure they can can revive it so that it's it's it's able to infect people. But that's not enough. They then go and publish the code so that anybody can go recreate this virus in their own lab.

They go publish the code for this virus in a in again a respected health journal. Now, I'll speculate again because this is like 2012, 2013. This was all done in the United States. On 2014, this virus is unleashed in China.

Did we unleash it in China or did somebody else recreate it using the documentation that Anthony Fouchy gave them and then they unleash it? We don't know. But this virus begins running rabid all through China. It's killing all their chickens.

Like half of their egg laying chickens are dead. If you want to know more about it, a guy named John Cullen did a great series of YouTube videos on this and he cites the record like he shows the evidence. This is not conspiracy theory stuff. The only thing that might be a conspiracy theorist is we personal we purposefully put it in Chinese chickens so that it would destroy them.

22 minutesThat's the only part that's a conspiracy theorist. Conspiracy theory. The rest of it is just fact. But this thing's running rampant in China.

It's killing all kinds of chickens. I believe it starts running rampant in the United States. If you remember a few years ago, they start just destroying chicken flocks. They just annihilate this bird flu and they start just aven flu and they start destroying flock after flock after flock.

Whole chicken houses, 10, 20, 30,000 chickens that kill them all. They go to the next house, kill them all. Go to the next house, kill them all. And then all of a sudden, people start getting a mysterious illness a few years later.

As if this thing has jumped into people and is now transmitted person to person. At the time COVID came on the scene at the end of 2019 and into early 2020, the United States was undergoing one of the worst flu pandemics we've ever had. It was it was circulating quietly, but hospitals were completely overrun. You don't believe me?

You could go look at the headlines. You'll look at the headlines from December of 2020, January 2020. Hospitals were completely overrun with flu cases. Not the first time it's happened.

It's happened a couple years before that. It's it's relatively common actually in the United States that hospitals get completely overrun with flu cases. But but they weren't testing positive for flu. They had this illness, a flu-l like illness.

And in fact, a lot of people, if you talk to them, it it's more common at the time. I mean, memories get stale, but a lot of people will swear they had CO in around Christmas of 2020. A lot of people will. The sickest I've ever been, I couldn't get out of bed for days.

I was down for two weeks. People were just swearing that they had CO before COVID was known to have shown up on our shores in February of 2020. And the reason is because this virulent flu that wasn't showing up on flu tests. And people will say, "I know I had I had to be COVID because I went and got a flu test.

" It's because they weren't testing for this type of flu. They weren't testing for this. I think it's H5N9 or H7N9, whatever it was. They weren't testing for that particular type of flu.

And so, you went in and you got your normal flu test and you didn't test positive. They don't test positive for every known flu ever. They test positive for a few of them. They test for a few of them.

And so, this virulent nasty flu-l like virus is just crushing people in the United States, killing old people left and right. is wiping out nursing homes and everything else. And that's when CO showed up. And CO gave them a convenient excuse to completely do away with the flu.

All of a sudden, everybody had CO. All of a sudden, everybody had CO. Nobody had the flu anymore. In fact, if you look at the CDC chart of flu deaths, it basically goes to zero from spring of 2020 through like fall of 2021.

There are no flu deaths. Nobody got the flu. Everybody got co and so and I and I I did I I kind of stole this hypothesis from John Coen. So if you want to see his work, it's great.

You can go watch it on YouTube. I think he's on YouTube as John E. Hoover. Not Johnny, but John like JN then space e space Hoover.

But it's it's good stuff on co. It's a little dramatic at times, but it's it's good. It's good material overall. But what I think happened was at that point they didn't want to acknowledge that they had unleashed, recreated, and then unleashed a virus that was going to be responsible for millions and millions and millions of deaths globally because that's that's obviously bad for business and it's bad for freedom.

And so what they did was they said quick, what can we release that we have in the tank that will spread like a cold so it will mimic the flu and it'll and we can then layer that disease on top of it and then we can test everybody for that. They'll all test positive and we can tell them that's what they have and that was co that was the corona virus 26 minutesand so they released that. That is what I think Fouchi is covering up with this song and dance in Washington yesterday. That's what they're covering up.

Yes, they were doing gain of function research on corona viruses. Yes, they were doing all this stuff and maybe it was a particularly nasty bug and maybe some people did die from it. But I think the reason it got released was not a lab leak. What was the big headline yesterday?

He knew it was a lab leak the whole time. He was lying to us. That's called a modified limited hangout. That's a modified limited hangout.

Yeah, it was a lab leak. But why did you leak it? You le you leaked it to cover up the fact that you had this virulent flu spreading that you guys caused and you ordered it leaked in order to provide cover so you didn't get caught for the flu bug you guys had already released years before. That's what I think happened.

I genuinely think that's what happened. And so I watched this whole thing yesterday and I watched all of the mockingb bird media run out and run to Twitter and run all the TPSA goons and everybody runs out and they're like, "Hey, that Fouchy, he's a bad guy. He knew it was a lab leak the whole time. " I mean, maybe maybe him getting caught lying was just to solidify in people's minds that it was in fact a lab leak and it did come from China.

We didn't have anything to do with it. I swear it wasn't us. None of these sicknesses were made in the United States and released on the population. No, this was a lab leak.

The Chinese did it. We need a reason to go after them anyway. and their economy is getting a little too big for their britches if you don't mind me saying. And so why don't Fouchy, you take one for the team.

Release your diary. We think he really kept a diary. Release your diary. That's just cover.

It's a modified limited hangout. That's what happened. I'm I am confident that's what happened. And so the whole Fouchy thing yesterday was a cover up so that our intelligence community had adequate cover for having had no participation in this whatsoever.

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EVIDENCE POINTS TO CHARLIE KIRK'S KILLER NOT ACTING ALONE - w/ Mark Geragos
Mario Nawfal
Streamed live on Jul 28, 2026 Mario Nawfal's Interviews



Transcript

Mark, uh, I grew up watching you on TV for all the big trials and stuff. This is so cool. I, uh, was very excited when Mario, uh, told me that he he needed me to fill in for him today. So, thank you for, uh, for joining me.

My pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah.

Uh, is there anything you want us to plug in terms of a Substack or Twitter? Do you want No. Okay. No.

Twitter. Twitter's fine. That's fine. Mark Gargas.

That's fine. Phenomenal. Okay. Well, uh, I was intrigued by the the topic.

I don't normally cover, you know, I'm a foreign policy nerd. Uh, so this was, um, of course, I think that, you know, they might be related. I mean, who knows? I was going to say there are [laughter] there's a substantial number of people who, uh, take the position that this is foreign policy related.

Yeah, I I should be careful, right? Uh, yeah. No. So, so let me ask you, um, you know, what what is going on?

because I I I'm not a lawyer, but it does seem like regardless of what people think happened, the Utah trial just seems odd. Am I wrong in thinking that? No. And by the way, there are um kind of weird uh facts and uh things that are brought out uh that strike, I think, people who follow this matter as odd.

And I I don't think that it's, you know, I know that whenever you bring this up, people want to debunk it as conspiracy theorists. People want to diminish people as conspiracy theorists, but there are legitimate questions. One of the ones that that kind of intrigues me, if you will, is they want to use the words of his roommate/lover by virtue of putting up a videotape. and it was a videotape that they only were allowed the prosecution to put up a portion of.

Well, the interesting thing 2 minutesabout that is you can't cross-examine a videotape. And they wanted the defense wanted to do some cross-examination. And people say, "Well, it's a preliminary hearing. What does that matter?

" I will I'll give you an example of another case that's been in the news non-stop in the last week. That is the David case. Now, the first four days of that preliminary hearing, it was basically all the people in the uh comments and most commentators are saying, "Oh, this is horrible. The there he's good for it.

Uh meaning he's guilty. " Right? Well, then they get to the medical examiner, and I've been saying all along in this case, but I understand the horrific nature in David of the cover up, so to speak, of the disposal of the the body, which is horrific. However, that doesn't answer any questions about the crime itself, meaning the homicide.

And then look what happens. Yesterday, as we're taping this on Tuesday, the defense got up in that case and they were able to cross-examine a medical examiner. And boy, and cross-examined the officer and boy, all of a sudden, people started to say, "Well, wait a second here. These text messages show something different.

" It gives fuller context to it and you're not getting a one-sided what's obviously skewed prosecutorial view. Now go back to Tyler Robinson or Circle Back. I I wonder and I jokingly maybe not so jokingly have said who is the who is the lawyer for Lance because he deserves lawyer of the year because I know prosecutors who would have Lance sitting at the council table as a defendant. This was my question as well when I I was watching the trial.

I didn't I'm sorry but yes you're Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Keep going.

Yeah. I so you've got somebody who clearly had some involvement whose DNA was in very odd places at least from a prosecutor. Now you can explain away the DNA. You can say, "Well, they live together.

" By the way, if you're doing that, you're doing what a defense lawyer does. You're not doing what a prosecutor does. a prosecutor tries draws every negative inference when he's trying to accuse somebody of a crime. And so all of the things that point towards the roommate and you know some people said well the roommate didn't know one of their theories working theories is that the roommate that that uh Tyler Robinson was trying to impress his roommate/lover.

Well, there there are other alternatives and the theory of the case for the motivation. Motiv motive is not an element of the crime. The elements of the crime are did Tyler Robinson go? Did Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger?

And did Tyler Robinson have any accompllices? And what happened before, during, and after? That's what the So even though it's a preliminary hearing, even though I often say that just means is my client breathing, it still requires a modicum of proof. And I will tell you that if the prosecutor went into that preliminary hearing with Tyler Robinson and had the expectation that we're going to debunk all of the conspiracy theories, I would tell you that I think you ignited or gave great credence to a lot of the conspiracy theories.

I couldn't agree more. Um I but I've been saying this too. Regardless of what people think it's that I don't think the trial has been very helpful uh in terms of clearing up. Uh let me ask you this.

I did catch some of that hearing. I think it was a week or two ago and they interviewed um this English accented cop who was apparently the lead detective. And I I wish I had kept the video saved. I would have played it here but I don't have it saved.

Um, but he indicated that the ring camera footage that they're using to place the car that Tyler, excuse me, Tyler Robinson owned, he said the ring camera footage, they have the car driving by near the the campus, but it's got a bald guy and three other unknown people. I He testified to this. What What is going on here? Because in my in my experience, lone gunmen act alone.

So, you know, I don't I don't really understand. Could you clarify? I mean, is this just sort of I I No, I think this is precisely what happens when you do what uh what we call a hearsay pre prelim where you just introduce things because you think, if you're a prosecutor, it's the prefuncter way to get the evidence in. And when it turns out that the evidence can be viewed or is susceptible of two interpretations.

By the way, that's the definition of reasonable doubt. Two reasonable interpretations. " Well, you can't tell that. There's nobody who can tell that from the various uh shots or videos that they're showing that were entered into evidence.

But they say that as if you will just fill the gaps or your brain will fill the gaps of what your eye can't see because a lot of what was put on as evidence, I'm telling you, is very susceptible to an interpretation that there was an accomplice. And I'll cite another matter that's also, and this happens quite a bit with these high-profile cases. You know, Brian Coberger is in the news today because he's now trying to set aside his plea. And one of the things that's been suggested by by many people is that he had an accomplice, but that he kind of ran through it and pled guilty to spare himself the death penalty.

and he's not saying it, but he's suggesting there's something else there. If there is in many of these crimes that or that have happened, more than one person, which I always think is where you should start with as opposed to this kind of lone person acting out there perfectly calibrated, executing uh flawlessly. And if you let the evidence take you to 9 minuteswhere you the whatever conclusion you're going to draw, a lot of these cases are a lot more complicated than I think at first blush. I think you're right.

And uh certainly, you know, not not to dwell on the foreign policy angle, but but man, there is a lot of there's a lot of stuff going on in the background with with this story that is very disconcerting. Let me ask you also um Well, I let me let me ask you something. what your your your Bailey wick so to speak is foreign policy. What what resonates to you and what sounds crazy about what you've heard?

Well, um I mean the whole the thing is Charlie was a Zionist 100%. But he did at the end start to have a change of opinion and uh I mean it's very obvious and um you can just watch some of his interviews in the last year or so of his life and you see him really questioning that and um you know that organization he ran was very important um for the Zionist cause. So it it it influenced and Charlie had a lot of influence with the president and you know his opinions on foreign policy. I think one of the reasons Trump deescalated in the 12-day war was because of things that Charlie was was sending his way and privately.

I think that Trump was listening. So, I have no idea if it's connected, but it's it Charlie was very important from a foreign policy angle, specifically in the Middle East portfolio. um when it came to the Republican party. Um obviously the Democrats different story, but but so I don't you know I don't know if they're connected or not but it is very odd and I don't think the Utah prosecution or the way they're doing this is helping to alleviate any concerns of you know so that's so you kind of hit exactly on my point at least.

I have I do a podcast with Matt Murphy. Matt is a former homicide prosecutor. We used to do cases against each other for years. We now have a podcast called In 11 minutesthe Well.

Shameless plug. Anyway, Matt is adamant. He says it's, you know, you can't go there. You can't do this.

It makes no sense. It's crazy. Blah blah blah. And what I what I would push back and say, okay, I understand your position and I get how you're framing it.

The problem you've got is that when you put on evidence in a proceeding that necessarily is going to be questioned, you have a right to cross-examine. It's embedded in the Constitution in the Sixth Amendment. And when you cross-examine and start to look at the evidence, there are questions that have to be asked and have to be answered. And that's why, circling back to what you just said, uh, it did not, if the prosecution thought this was going to dispel the conspiracy rumors, it did quite the opposite.

So, how does this impact though a potential jury pool? I 12 minutesmean, going forward, because you know, the way I'm looking at it, if all they need is one to to hold up the whole process on reasonable doubt in terms of jurors, um, do you think this thing could end with, you know, the jury not being able to come to a conclusion here? So, every every case, I I say this all the time and I sometimes get in trouble for it. The case is over after jury selection.

I don't care. You could pick the the best jury in the world. um if you're uh if you're the defense and no matter what the prosecution uh puts on, they're not going to overcome. I always say this, I can't overcome people who've got 20, 30, 40 years of life experience if I've got a trial in two months.

I'm never going to change their worldview. I'm not going to change the zeitgeist of what they think and what they believe. But if you present to them arguments that resonate or and it's not all 12 to your point, one or two people, people always talk about well what if one or two people um hang up the jury. My concern and I've had more than my fair share of hung juries.

My concern always is what if I leave on one person who ends up driving the jury who's kind of the person who you know the the uh the quintessential what I've seen happen in many cases where that person gets in and controls the jury room and becomes an advocate an advocate almost. Yeah. L as you say to jurors jurors the judges are the ones who wear the black robe. They're the judges of the law.

Uh the jurors are the judges of the facts and the facts drive what how you apply the law. And so that's what is scary both from the defense and the prosecutorial perspective. Yeah. No, it is it's it's very unfortunate that the trial is unfolding this way because this is too important, I think, to have any kind of questions.

Um what about also and just I'm just kind of remembering what I saw and and feel free to to you know tell me you know um whatever but um there was this one of the people they interviewed or they they had testify I think it was a coroner or some medical examiner they were saying that they found DNA on the rifle that belongs to four or five different individuals. What? How can that be explained away or I mean because that to me the conspiracy more? It it does.

And when one of those individuals is somebody who's also giving a taped statement that is can't be cross-examined. you you wonder why are you presenting the evidence this way if you're the prosecutor and your goal look when I say the goal so that people understand if you wanted to do a 15 minutespreliminary hearing 999 uh out of a thousand preliminary hearings are two or three hours or less and I know many prosecutors they would only admit it if they were probably having a beer with me who would admit to you that they actually have played the game where they try to hold somebody to answer that's means find probable cause with the fewest amount of questions. I mean it is not something that goes on and on and on. In fact, a lot of my um colleagues and friends were perplexed when they nationally who don't practice in California um uh or uh Utah and places like that where there are preliminary hearings.

They said, "How is this possible? How do you spend a week in a preliminary hearing? That I heard people asking me that all last week with the David preliminary hearing. And I said it's not the normal course, but it happens.

And when it happens, if there is a high level of media scrutiny, it is it ends up backfiring on the prosecution. That's interesting. That's and and it's also interesting because all 50 states have their own sort of eccentricities when it comes to the law. And I think people because we have a foreign audience that watches this as well.

I don't think people outside of the country really understand sort of those eccentricities. Um what about the role of the federal of the FBI and I know this is a state trial but there's a heavy FBI feel um to this and to this whole is the how involved is the feds with this specific case do you think? very very let me make an analogy to another case. Luigi Manion, he's being prosecuted.

He's the man who was accused of uh killing the healthc care executive in New York uh in shooting him. And in that case, Luigi Manion is being both prosecuted federally in federal court and in the New York City state court, the New York City Manhattan Supreme Court. So, you have dual prosecutions. I've always felt the only reason that the feds got involved in that case along with the state is because the state filed the charges.

But New York, you're not going to get death penalty in the state. They will get the death penalty or at least they will try in the federal. Now go to Utah. In Utah, I believe death penalty is by firing squad and they don't it's not like sitting in in California where there's 600 people on death row who never get executed, right, for 40 years, right?

Utah takes care of business. um you know, not that I'm an advocate of that. Yeah, I shouldn't be laughing at that, but it's I know, but but but it's it's true. And the um the idea that the in in the Utah state court that there's no federal prosecution.

Well, the reason for that is they don't want to muck it up. They want Utah to get the death penalty. So, yes. Is there an FBI presence?

Heavy. Is there FBI involvement? Absolutely. You'd be uh naive to say otherwise.

But isn't that a bit irregular, the FBI being this involved, if it is only a state matter? And and forgive my ignorance. I I don't I mean, maybe maybe that's Well, I I think I this cynical me thinks that whenever you have a case that reaches a certain boiling point in terms of the media, the FBI gets involved. You know, take another look at another case that's topical.

Nancy Guthrie. I mean, the sheriff there has taken a a fair amount of criticism for bungling that case initially. Then the FBI came in and, you know, now they're they subsequently they've been accused of bungling and there's been all kinds of problems there. But when there is a um national and international focus or kind of a critical mass of media attention on a case, it's not unusual for them to get involved.

I mean that's a it's a natural kind of phenomena that we witness now as part of the modern era. Yeah. And I guess given given the proximity to the administration, it makes sense that they would want to have some kind of hand. It just is always very interesting.

Um because I I have a very negative view of the FBI, but um that's just my personal take. Um but so let me ask you this then since I mean you clearly so you don't think that that this was a lone gunman is is what you're getting. I I will tell you based on the evidence I've seen, it does not look to me like it's a lone gunman. Um, and Tyler Robinson and there's just enough there that I and and I don't want I haven't talked to the defense.

I'm just observing from afar rank speculation, but it would shock me if they have not conducted a parallel investigation with the idea that they are assuming Tyler Robinson was not the only person who was somehow involved in this. It would be shocking to me if they didn't think that. But based on Start from there. No.

Okay. So, but but based on your reading, do you think Tyler Robinson was involved on some level or do you think he's completely as he's as some would say? No, I think as of right now based on what has been publicly presented, he's there, he's involved. " You know, for many years after the JFK assassination, one of my dear friends when he was still alive was Sirill Wet.

And Sel Wet was one of the greatest coroners, elected corers and pathologist, expert pathologist. I never, even though I was just a kid when JFK was assassinated, I always assumed, as most people do naively in the 60s and 70s, that, you know, the government had nothing to do with it. There was a lone gunman, blah, blah, blah. You know, if you spent um , as I did on multiple occasions listening to Sirill Wack talk about the JFK assassination, you would never ever trust what the government tells you again.

So, you shouldn't trust what the government tells you. [laughter] Well, I often I will often say to jurors um you know and and it cuts both ways because I've had prosecutors very kind of quick prosecutors on their feet when I say you know if the government's at your door the uh the old Ronald Reagan joke knock the government we're here to help. I said, "Is there anybody here, I'll ask you, jury selection, who believes the government is infallible and gets everything right? " And what what inevitably I will hear in closing argument from prosecutors is, "Oh my god, you think Mr.

Garagus' conspiracy theory holds water. " So, it cuts both ways. It does. Well, there's also compartmentalization though within the government, but that's another story for another day.

Um, exactly. [laughter] But let me ask you then also, um, do you think during the course of this trial it will come out that he was acting with others or do you think it's pretty much going to be fixated on him all the time? I look, I do not think it's always tough to predict. I don't get I don't get the impression um that they will cut a deal and he will take life to avoid the death penalty.

Speaking of Coberger, but uh he'll be under a lot of pressure. He will, his lawyers will, and uh to some degree his family will to have him take a plea. Um and then who knows what happens in a lot of ways. You know, I was just discussing with somebody this morning.

If you don't get as a prosecutor some kind of nightly nicely tied up package explaining everything that ties it together, you're going to be sitting here like I am decades and decades over a half century removed from JFK still not having anybody believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gunman. So, uh, these are things that especially in today's day and age, um, and I don't mean this negatively with internet sleuths who do some incredible work sometimes, I I just don't buy that you can that you can convince people, um, absent some compelling narrative. Yeah. No, I agree.

And I just actually got off the phone with one of those internet sleuths who apparently is going to be breaking a big NATO story on Tucker tonight. So there's there's there's a lot of just you can find out a lot of things just from being on Twitter. It turns out I I have seen a revolution in with private investigators. I it is people I used to have to have private investigators out in the field doing the parallel investigations.

I I now find that the first kind of of them doing uh searches, database searches and and online searches produces the best leads that I get in almost every single case, civil criminal or whatever. Isn't that amazing? That's amazing because it's really been a revolution. I bet.

And let me ask you this. when you when you look at the prosecutor and the defense teams, prosecution and defense teams, I should say, um, with all your background and experience, how would you grade I know we just started the trial and every or the preliminary, but how do you think the two sides are doing? Oh, I think that the um the defense in Tyler Robinson's case is very able. they, you know, you've got the one woman uh lawyer, defense lawyer who's kind of um the face of the defense, but they've got a team behind them of very capable uh experienced lawyers as well.

Two from California, I believe, who are excellent, excellent lawyers with a long pedigrees of being very effective. So, uh the prosecutors, like I say, they were workmanlike. That's what I will give them. I watched they they do what they're supposed to do.

But a lot of prosecutors are like that. I always I always tell the joke and I'll close with this because I've got a job. But I always tell the joke about and it's not a joke about my friend Marsha Clark and Johnny Cochran after OJ. And Marsha was telling Johnny um something to the effect of uh I could never do what you do.

And Johnny's response is of course you can never do what I do. who would ever hire you. So, I mean, [laughter] there that's a great way to close it. And uh yeah, that's by the way, uh real quick, thank you for coming on and uh that was uh Mark Geros, legendary attorney.

Uh Mark, have a good day and thank you for stopping by and hopefully we can do this again. It was an honor to meet you. Thank you. My pleasure.

Bye-bye. Bye-bye. All right, guys. Bye-bye.

And we will be back, I think, in half an hour. Mario will be back on. I'll just say a closing um I was a little nervous doing this because this is not normally my Bailey Wick, but um that was really cool for those of us who grew up watching the OJ trial uh and the white bronco and the chase through the streets of LA in the '9s. Um it was pretty cool seeing you know people like that.

So um be sure to tune in in less than half an hour. Mario will be taking over the next interview. I am Brandon Wert. Please check out the WERT brief.

Check out we the Brandon on Twitter X and keep it right here on Mario's channel. He's got some great stuff coming up. Bye-bye.

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Watching the Destruction in Real Time; Back from New Jersey - Ep 153
Baron Coleman
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We go back to the crime scene today to watch the destruction in real time.

Also, I look at specific threats made to specific podcasters. Are they attempts to silence, intimidate, alter coverage, or more?

Finally, I'm back from New Jersey. I'll share what I learned.



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Chapter 1: Intro - What I Learned rom my Experience with Julian Dorey and Joseph Scott Morgan Guys, it was a close one. I've spilled something on my hoodie. I had to run and grab another hoodie. Sorry I was late.

It won't happen again. Okay, it might happen again, but it won't happen again tonight, I don't think. I almost spilled something there trying to get a drink right before we started. Uh, thank you for your patience.

Thank you for your patience. I appreciate you uh your understanding that we were not able to put a show together for Friday. You now may have heard why. Um, I uh worked out with Julian Dory to head up there, but like most great podcasts, he does not want to announce ahead of time who's going to be there and when.

Uh, and I greatly appreciate that. Um, and so that was a uh that was a a double secret in-n-out type of deal. Uh, we filmed on backto-back days. He was a remarkable host.

A remarkable host. And I mean that in every sense of the word, host. Uh he's a he's he's a generational talent I believe uh as a podcaster. I've had an opportunity to watch quite a few of his here in the last couple of weeks.

Um and he is uh remarkable. I mean truly truly 1 minuteremarkable. He reminds me of Joe Rogan before Joe Rogan got the big contract. No offense, Joe Rogan.

I still want to be on your show, so I'll I'll be happy to do it. But um no, I mean he he reminds me of of uh of Joe Rogan in his in his curiosity. His preparation is relentless. Holy mackerel.

Um you show up and he doesn't just wing it. He has questions, but the way he weaves the questions in is uh is is the really uh really amazing part. So uh that podcast uh with Julian Dory will be coming out, I believe, in the next day or two. It's on his Patreon account now.

So some people have already uh texted me about it. they've watched it. Um, they've given me their feedback. All good, I hope.

All good, I hope. Um, so I've gotten some feedback from, uh, people who've already watched it. I think it'll go out to the general masses. It'd really be nice if went out Tuesday because I'm planning to take Tuesday completely off this week.

Um, and it would be it would it would give everybody something to watch. You know, it's uh it's long. It was three and a half hours of recording. Uh, we covered the case pretty much in depth.

I don't want to and we talked about a lot of other stuff. It wasn't just Charlie Kirk. We talked about a lot of other things as well. Um, and it was it was refreshing.

It was refreshing because we get so bogged down in this. I it was like when I did the Clint Russell uh Liberty Lockdown podcast and I did it with um Buckley Carlson and we talked about political philosophy and everything else. I am gonna hint a little bit about that today. Uh because um you know there was a meeting over the I don't know weekend last week sometime where uh a bunch of a bunch of people a bunch of political people got together and um met with Tucker Carlson and the pictures leaked out and everybody freaked out because I think they understand what it means is there are some things that are being taken very seriously and might change here in the near future.

So, I do want to hit that for just at some point tonight. I do want to hit that at some point. Um, but I want I want to spend a few minutes talking about the Julian Dory podcast because it was really two parts. Only part one has been released.

Um, we filmed on successive days. So, we did three and a half hours on Friday and we did four and a half or Yeah, Friday. We did three and a half hours on Friday and four and a half hours on Saturday. That's going to be a long show.

You know, by the time you put ad breaks in there, it could it could end up being five hours or more. Um it's um they're two very different shows. The first show was just Julian and me. Um and and really covering sort of how I got into podcasting, how I how what I've done in my life, and then and then how it applies to the the Charlie Kirk investigation and the 150 plus shows we've done uh on that investigation now.

Um and it was good. It was like I said, he's very thorough, very prepared. The second show was fundamentally different. Uh we had another guest in the studio.

I don't know if he's announced that other guest and I don't want to blow the lid on that. Uh blow the whistle on that. Uh I've heard a lot of people guess Candace. It's not Candace.

Um but there was another guest in there. And it was a remarkable conversation. And here's what I want to tell you. The lesson is because there are a lot of people that are taking the wrong approach in this including Andrew Kovette, Blake Nef, Erica Kirk, um Tyler Ber, basically everyone affiliated with TP USA.

all their hangers on. Graham Allen, um, uh, Officer Tater Tot, uh, uh, I don't know, Benny Johnson, Jack Basobic, they're taking the wrong approach. I would not have agreed to go on with them. But when, when Julian asked me if I would go on with this particular guest, I said, "Yes, I would.

" because I'd watched a couple of shows he had done on the Charlie Kirk investigation. And while we reached wildly different conclusions about the investigation and everything else, I felt like he was coming in good faith. I felt like he was a smart guy who understood the case, who wanted to get the right answer. Um, and it it would help me to be able to ask him my questions.

It would it would it would help sharpen my thoughts to have him ask me his questions. um and have Julian fire questions at both of us and see where we contrasted and see where we agreed because ultimately what I want to do is be right. And by that I mean I I want I want to cover the case in a way that that allows the truth to come out. And I'm not sure everybody does.

I'm not sure everybody's in that place. Uh I listened to a couple of X spaces today. What a disaster. I got to stop doing that to myself.

Um, whoever's running these X spaces, you're doing it all wrong. You're doing it all wrong. " They're not going to be quiet. They have a microphone.

This is their moment to shine, right? These are the people who used to raise their hand in class all the time. Sit down, Timmy. We're going to hear from somebody else.

Stop raising your hand. And then they talk over each other. And then they call names. And then they get ugly with each other.

That is no way to come to the an agreement on what 6 minuteshappened. That's no way to try to figure out how to advance the case. That's no way to to me sharpen my mind, you sharpen your mind. You can't get there that way.

It's an absolute disaster and it's spilling over into social media. It's spilling over into everything else. I I like to lay blame. I lay blame with the Tyler Robinson fed slop side.

They're the ones that can't handle the fact that an investigation is taking place and the invest in investigation is uncovering facts that are very uncomfortable for them. The investigation's uncovering things like higher quality video footage than we've been offered by the state or the defense. That's a real problem for them because the higher quality footage shows no 30 six. It doesn't show anything that they said.

Uh if any more high quality footage drops, they could be done. Like they could be done. I have no idea what all Candace has up her sleeve. I have no idea if the sources that sourced video to Candace have sourced it to other people.

I have no idea if other people have seen video footage. I don't know. I assumed we wouldn't see any better footage until the trial. But the reality is last week we got a really high quality, I think pretty high quality compared to what we've had so far.

At least you could tell it wasn't Bigfoot. You could tell it was an actual human being up there. That's the first we've seen of that. You could start to see things like was he wearing a jacket?

Did he have something in his hand? Was he carrying a bag? How did he position himself? Did he unfold something or did he roll something out in front of him?

Like all of these things were unavailable in the video footage we've been offered to date. And so I think it's a very uncomfortable position for people pushing the Tyler Robinson or bust narrative because they have to prove that's Tyler Robinson on that roof. And when you come at it in in an honest, engaging way, even if you believe Tyler Robinson did it, and you come at it, you come to the investigation or you come to the conversation, you say, "Hey, now what are you saying again? Talk me through this exploding microphone.

Talk me through this electrocution. Talk me through this bullet from another location. " You know, what what is it exactly that you're trying to say? What now?

Now, is that supportable by the medical records? Let's look at what we know so far of what's come out about about Charlie Kirk's injuries. When you approach it that way, you get engagement. You get a little back and forth and you start to come to a better understanding of what the other person says and uh what they believe and and and what we believe.

They have a better understanding. Now, they still may walk away at the end of it and not believe it. But if your goal is just to get to the truth, why do you care what I believe? Why do you care if I say that I don't think Tyler Robinson did it?

Why does that offend you? Why Why do you have to call names about that? Uh the person that I sat down with Saturday, yesterday, man, it seems like a month ago. That was just yesterday.

Uh the person I sat down with yesterday and talked for four and a half hours with Julian Dory uh approaches it exactly that way. It he approaches it in a very curious way. Tell me tell me again what you believe. Tell me again why you think 9 minutesthat.

and it and it fostered a discussion that I think will go down after it comes out and I think it'll probably come out Thursday or Friday this week. Um the podcast with just Julian and me I think will be out tomorrow or Tuesday for the general public. It's out now for his Patreon members. If you want to see it early, go join his Patreon.

I highly recommend it. It's great. Uh his Patreon's great, not your humble host is great. I would never say something like that.

Um but it's it's u he does a great job. He really does a great job and you get early access and some behind the scenes stuff. But but when you I I think the podcast I did yesterday, not because I was on it, but because of the material that was covered and the and the tremendous insight into the case from me and from this person, a true expert in his field, uh a a frankly globally recognized expert in his field, allowed a level of discussion that has not happened in this case, in my opinion. Uh it hasn't happened in an X-space.

It hasn't happened on YouTube. It hasn't happened on anybody's private, you know, members channel. It just hasn't happened. That's not credit to me.

It's not necessarily credit to him. I think it's credit to Julian Dory who's whose mind envisioned that such a conversation could even take place. And again, my initial instinct was I don't know that I want to do this. So I went and watched a bunch of the videos that guy had put together and I was like, yeah, I absolutely want to do this.

And then I we actually talked for a little while before we talked for an hour or so before agreeing to to sit down and do a podcast together. I just want to make sure there was enough discussion to be had. And there was there was I think that conversation when it comes out towards the end of the week, I think that conversation will go down as the most informative 4 and a half hours of the Charlie Kirk investigation. That's not to say that the hours that Candace puts in in releasing video is not informative.

I think that in and of itself on the issue of video is more informative because we didn't talk much about video that's been put out. Uh we talked a little bit about it but not not uh four and a half hours worth. But the conversation we had was what probably happened from the moment Charlie Kirk arrived until the moment he was put in the ground. What probably happened and what should have happened and I'm gonna cover a little of that tonight.

what should have happened in those immediate moments afterwards. We're going to go back to the scene tonight. We're going to take a little look at it because with the information I've gleaned from yesterday, I kind of want to prime the pump when that conversation comes out towards the end of the week. What should have happened in those immediate seconds, minutes, hours after Charlie Kirk went down.

Um, so we'll get to that. We'll get to that. But I do want to give a tremendous shout out to Julian Dory. Um, I I I can't thank him enough for the opportunity.

Um, I can't thank him enough for just being a a guy of tremendous integrity. Uh, you know, you you got to travel to the New York metropolitan area. I don't like it up there typically. No offense to our New York friends.

You probably don't like it some of the places I've lived. Um, I don't like it. It's just it's just loud and and and it's just not not my cup of tea. Not my cup of tea.

Um, but he made it he made it so easy. He made it so easy. Uh, and so welcoming and kind. So, all the praise to him.

All the praise to the the fellow host or the fellow guest that uh that I did it with. And again, I don't know if that's public or not, so I don't want to say his name. Um but when it comes out, I think I think it's going to be a banger. I think it's going to be an absolute banger.

Um four and a half hours of of bang. I mean, just it really never slowed down. Some of the lessons I learned from it though, um the primary one being we have got to elevate this discussion. We have got this discussion can be had at a higher level than it's currently being had in a lot of venues.

Uh we need to we on our side need to stop descending into the bowels. We need to stop lowering ourselves to respond to these people. We need to stop engaging with them altogether if they can't behave like adults. There's no reason we're jumping on X spaces and calling each other names.

There's no reason we're jumping on X spaces and fighting over this nonsense. It's not worth fighting over. You know, you don't agree with me. Fine.

Give me a reason. If you If you don't have a reason why, then let's just not talk. But you're an, you know, idiot boogerhead eater. That's not going to cut it.

That's not That's not from this point forward. That doesn't cut it. That doesn't cut it. Um, we handle this like professionals.

We handle this like adults or we don't handle it. We don't handle it. Um, stop tuning into these spaces. Stop giving in to this childish discussion.

It's not advancing the ball and your attendance in these spaces even though some more I listened today for an hour while somebody melted down. It was embarrassing. It was embarrassing. This person claims to be somebody uh well claims to be a producer for somebody.

But it was just embarrassing watching the meltdown, watching the name calling and the infantile responses and I thought why am I here? Why am I here? Because that's just one more view that this space is getting. And that's one more piece of encouragement for people to engage in this kind of content.

Let's raise our approach. Let's raise our standards. Let's be better. Let's be better.

If someone's not engaging in good faith, don't engage them. Somebody's name calling and oh, he's a fraud. He's a hustster. He's a comment.

Okay, then just ignore. Block. Block. So, it doesn't even show up in your feed.

It's just a lot easier that way. A lot easier. That's that's kind of lesson number one. We are capable of carrying out this investigation, carrying out these conversations at a at a level far higher than these people are capable of handling it.

So, let's just have the conversations ourselves. Uh, lesson number two, there are good faith people on the other side. We like to believe that everyone who believes Tyler Robinson shot and killed Charlie Kirk is some sort of fed slop loser. Um, a lot of them are, but not all of them.

There are people on the other side who are operating in good faith who have just come to that conclusion. Um I don't necessarily believe those people work for TPUSA. I don't believe they are in contracted to TPUSA. I don't believe they're operational necessarily on Twitter.

They're not these they're not these hangers on that. You know, it's not those people. It's not the people out there slinging mud and calling names. But there are people who have looked at this who believe that Tyler Robinson's guilty.

I'm more than willing to engage those people. I'm more than willing to have a conversation with those people. Um, and if we can keep it at a high level and keep it uh above, you know, an IQ of like 110, uh, we can get there. We can have that conversation and everybody will benefit from a conversation like that.

Uh, but if it devolves into name calling and cheap shots and and, you know, verbal tricks and trying to drag somebody down in the mud and muddy the issue and confuse the issue, it's not helpful. It's not helpful. Um, and not worthy of engagement. But but that's lesson two.

I think from the podcast I did. I sat down with somebody who I think I never really asked him what he thinks happened. I think he believes Tyler Robinson did it. I think he does.

I know he did probably at one time or at least thinks he was shot by a 36 or at least was open to that idea at one time or very open like mostly convinced. And so um that's that's kind of lesson two that there are good faith actors on the other side. That's That's lesson two. Lesson three.

Um, when you go into someone else's podcast live, you have no control over the environment. That's That was lesson three, believe it or not. There's no cough button. There's no mute button.

So, you got to just hack all over the place if you're a habitual coffer like I am. Uh, there's no headphones. See these? I don't know how people broadcast without these.

Um, I have to have the feedback as I work around the mic. That way, no one's off screen telling me move back to the mic. Move back to the mic because I'm getting constant feedback and no to stay on the mic. Um, I was shocked when he released his promotional image of the show and it's like this.

I mean, it's it was like right in my face. It was a little much if we're being honest. See if I can find it. It was a little much.

I thought, what is he trying to accomplish here? What does he think he's doing? Uh, you have no control over the environment when it's when it's uh on someone else's podcast. They're going to do their camera angles.

If they want to pull tight on the camera, they're going, "Check this out. Look how close this is. This is unacceptably close. Who needs that close of Baron in their life?

That's the bottom of the frame. That's the top. No, no, no. Back up.

Back up. Dial it back a little bit. Let's not get so carried away. not get so carried away.

So, that's lesson three. You have no control over the environment. You don't have control over the temperature. You don't have control over um the mute button.

You don't have control over the the the ears. You don't have control over how tight the camera angle is. And lesson four, my final lesson. When you go to somebody else's studio, you have no idea when the cameras are rolling because after the show, we sat around and talked for a little bit.

Ladies and gentlemen, just take every few years. I had no idea this was closed. My kids go to the sea lab. Yeah.

Yeah. I had no idea that was taking place. Now, I didn't I don't still don't know who was filming that because everyone Well, I guess Julian wasn't in there. Maybe he was the one filming it.

But I saw that come out on X today. He put that up and and I was like, "What? " Oh, I guess there's the answer. That's who I sat down with.

It was Joseph Scott Morgan. He was great. He was phenomenal. I I should have known.

I should have known. Uh yeah, that's who I sat down with. It was Joseph Scott Morgan. Um and I guess that that that's the giveaway.

I I guess it was public. And then DeF comes walking through with his male poetry hat. I don't even know what that means. But let me So So now that I know that Joseph Scott Moore I should have even thought about it.

They've already had basically announced who it was. Um one of the things that people noticed was I actually am I have body from here down. I'm not sitting I'm not sitting on a stump, you know. I'm not I'm not uh I'm not one of those people that have no legs.

Um I'm I was there. I have jeans. I was wearing my dress Vans. Only the best for Julian Dory, ladies and gentlemen.

Only the best. Only the best. I had my dress Vans on. It was a great experience.

Um, but yeah, so now that you guys know, I will say this about Joseph Scott Morgan. Um, I watched his original interview he did with Julian Dory a couple of weeks ago and a lot of people tagged me in things and sent things to me and like, "Look, you you right now have got to get in touch with this professor because he's out to lunch. He's crazy. he's in there and he doesn't know the K and I was like look I you know so I'll watch it and I did it took me two or three sessions of watching because I don't often have three hours to just sit and watch something uninterrupted.

Um but it took me a couple of three sessions to get through it. Two or three days of of watching it but I finally watched the whole thing and so then Julian called. He's like hey do you want to sit down and talk to this guy? Uh if you read the if you read the comments under his episode every comment's like get Baron.

Get Baron get Baron needs to talk to this guy. So I finally did. " You know, I'd like to do a podcast with you. Let's just do it.

If you say no to Joseph Scott Morgan, then just you and I will talk. We won't do that one. But if you want to do it, stay two days and we'll record the second day with him. And um I said, "Well, let me talk to him.

Like, set up a call. Let's just talk for an hour. " What I found in that hour was this was a man who's very very brilliant, very smart, very experienced in his job. Very very experienced in his job.

Um, he's got the credentials to back up what he says. Um, he knows he knows more about forensic investigation. He's trained police officers on how to investigate crime scenes, how to preserve evidence. He's he's trained um the people who who cut up the bodies and all that.

He's done that. Autopsies. Autopsy. He's done all that.

So, he's got decades of experience in this. it would be foolish of me to assume that he's he's drawing some random conclusion based on, you know, the the Twitter whims. And after talking to him for an hour, I realized no, that's not at all what's happening. Uh we do disagree on whether it was a 30 out six.

We do disagree on on uh maybe the nature of the injuries, uh what's possible and not possible, but there's a lot we also um disagree on. I mean, there's do agree on. We agree on a lot about what took place in round the scene immediately afterwards. We agree a lot on what took place in the environment and and whether or not things, you know, timelines and things and so we'll get to that.

I'm I'm going to let that come out. I'm not going to do the whole show before you before you hear it from him. I I want you to watch that show. It's it's really really good.

He's the perfect person to have done it. The perfect person. He's not a name caller. He's not a bombthrower.

He's not a an agitator. He's a serious man uh who just happens to have reached a different conclusion than I have on a lot of things. But he's he's um he's also someone that uh that is is capable of adjusting to new information. So if he sees information he didn't previously know or didn't wasn't aware of, he's capable of digesting it in real time.

And if it changes his conclusion a little bit or causes him to rethink something, he'll be honest about it. He'll be honest about it. U and it was a really great conversation. So I I look forward to that coming out as well.

Um, and that's I'll kind of leave the the Julian Dory adoration there. Um, great guy, superb host. And I mean host like bringing you into town, taking care of you, and and host also like sitting behind a microphone, being prepared when you show up, knowing what he wants to ask, knowing how he wants the interview to go, and making sure it it gets that way. I probably wouldn't put my cameras that tightly on a guest, but that's just because I'm old and it it exposes every flaw on his body.

But he can do whatever he wants. He can do whatever he wants. Um, one more quick thing before we get into tonight's content. Chapter 2: Can Tucker Carlson, Thomas Massie, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Joe Kent, Lead a Third Party?

One more quick thing before we get into tonight's content. Um, this is an image that was released by Marjorie Taylor Green. It's got Marjorie Taylor Green and her husband. It's got Tucker Carlson.

It's got Joe Kenton's wife, Thomas Matthew. Thomas Massie and his wife and they're all sitting around the table um just enjoying I don't know breakfast, lunch, dinner, whatever this is. But it got a lot of people's wheels going on a on a couple of different ways. Number one, the people who like this group of people, your humble host included, got very excited when he saw this.

Um, I think any of those four people and frankly probably their spouses um could um could run circles in terms of governance around what we've elected over the last I don't know 50 years or so, 60 years in this country. Uh any any of the four of those acting as president making executive decisions, any of the four of those acting as cabinet secretaries making executive decisions would be so much better than anything we've had in the last 60 years. I mean almost I can't name a single person sitting there where I'd look at somebody that's been in an executive level position, a cabinet level 25 minutesposition, a president or vice president that I would that I would prefer over those four people. These four people love the United States of America.

They want to see it at its best. They want to see the United States of America at its best. Now, it obviously prompted a lot of questions. Is this the beginning of a third party?

And I have a lot of concerns about that. Um we traditionally have been a two-party country. Uh since 1860, we've been essentially a two-party country. We've had um the Republicans and the Democrats.

And we've had every now and then we'll have uh some third party, and I I did an opening on this. I'm not going to redo the whole opening. Um but every now and then, we'll have some third party pop up and grab a few states here and there. Uh, I know uh, Governor Wallace from the state of Alabama.

I think he won five or six states. Uh, Ross Perau went ran, he never won any states, but he won I think 15 or 18% of the vote one year. Um, you've had uh, other people pop up. Um, the senator from South Carolina, his name's escaping me right now.

He ran under the Dixierats in I think the 40s or 50s and he won five or six states maybe. Uh, so it happens from time to time that a third party will pop up and it'll run and it'll win some states, but typically all a third party does is play spoiler to the m to the big two parties. So if you run from the right and you don't win, then you basically have handed the election to the left. There's a lot of concerns about that.

Um, Republicans have been pretty naughty over the last several election cycles, particularly this one. We were sold a bill of goods and we didn't get it. um we were we were told that a second Trump presidency would go a certain way and we basically have gotten the opposite of on most issues on most issues. Uh certainly foreign policy issues.

So um I have concerns that that could happen. But those concerns are largely assuaged by the fact that we have not gotten what we voted for recently. Even in Trump won, even the first Trump administration, we didn't get what we voted for. We voted for closed borders, mass deportations, America first.

We got almost none of that. Um Trump too, we voted for no more foreign wars. We have not gotten any part of that either. Um we we and so if we're going to continue just getting hoodwinkedked, if we're going to continue getting rugpulled by Republicans when we elect them, what's the difference?

You know, are we really reduced to voting for the lesser of two evils? Is that where we're going to be from the rest of our lives? Because the lesser of two evils is just how fast do you want to drive the car off the cliff? Do you want to go at light speed?

Do you want to do, you know, do you want to do 140 in the BMW and go off the cliff? Or would you rather go like 25 miles an hour off the cliff? You know, that's the lesser of two evils approach. Which way do you want to go off the cliff?

And if that if that's what you're comfortable with, then you're probably going to be comfortable with continuing to vote the way we've voted since the 1960s, since we've rejected Goldwater. Um, Republicans have largely uh doodooed the bed when it comes to finally getting a hold of power. Uh, right now we have both houses of Congress, the presidency and six of the nine Supreme Court seats, and everything keeps getting worse. Everything keeps getting worse.

Inflation's at an all-time high. Not an all-time high, but a a multi-deade high. Um, we've printed money the last few years like like you can't possibly imagine. We're now engaged in a a pretty large scale war with not a superpower, but a power a power of a n a country of 90 million people with allies.

That's not ideal. Not ideal. Um you know, we we got our butts kicked in a few wars leading up to this war by lesser powers than that. Uh how did Afghanistan work out?

We went into Afghanistan and we spent 20 years, 8,000 lives or 6,000 lives or something. basically trillions of dollars um you know tens of thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of of uh service members, war fighters come back and they they are on now disability because they're they're so uh impacted mentally or their bodies are are damaged in some way. They're missing a leg or missing an arm. Like that's that's not an ideal scenario.

And that's Afghanistan, man. That's like a stone age economy. We we joked when we started the war they were they were living in caves. guys, we lost a caveman.

We lost a caveman. We We left and we handed the government we handed the country right back over to the people who were in charge when we got there. That's not winning. That's not winning.

And so there's a there's a uh um an element of of of are we capable of taking on a country of 90 million people? Are we tap capable of taking on a country that has an actual military? Um, I would say we didn't get the best outcome all the way going back to Vietnam. Uh, Iraq was kind of a disaster.

Uh, it took us what, 15 years to kind of oust the guy in Syria. I mean, why were we even there? I don't know, but if you're going to be there, you might as well win. Uh, and we didn't.

We It's It's a disaster. It's an absolute disaster. And so, the track record isn't great. The track record isn't great.

And And that's what we voted for. Let's Let's stop this nonsense. It's not working out in our favor. It's causing us a lot of heartache.

It's chewing through good American men as and women as they go over there and then die or come back injured. Uh and then when we finally leave the we're either leaving a wreck, leaving a disaster, or we've actually flat out lost. And so when I saw that picture, I kind of got a little hope up, but but I want to temper the hope just carefully because I want if they're going to do something like that, I want to know that they're serious. and serious is going to take hundreds of thousands of volunteers all across the country because if you're going to win in a third party contest, you have to have volunteers all the way down to the county or precinct level.

Some counties have dozens or hundreds of precincts. You need somebody in there watching the ballots to make sure the ballots aren't uh being screwed around with. You need somebody out there turning out votes. You need people knocking on doors.

This takes hundreds of thousands of people. The two parties right now have an infrastructure in place to carry that out. Whether we like the candidates or not, the Republicans have an infrastructure. Whether we like the candidates or not, the Democrats have an infrastructure.

It goes all the way down to the county and precinct level. Often multiple people in each precinct that they've identified who have agreed to take the responsibility to deliver that precinct for their party. And they do a pretty good job of it. Could four people sitting in Tucker's cabin do the same thing?

I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. But it would require a lot of help.

It would require a lot of money and a lot of help. And guess what? The money's not coming from big pharma. The money's not coming from big uh defense department contractors.

The money is not coming from big medicine and the the money's not coming from from from big banks because these people are populist. They're not they're not in it for those people. And so the money will come in against them. So the money is going to have to come from people like you and me as well.

You know5 and $10 at a time. put them on a monthly stroke just a here's a f you know and and if you can't get the commitment from hundreds of thousands of people it's going to be a tough road to hoe and you're just going to have to admit that you're handing the election over to someone else and so I'm not here to encourage anybody or discourage anybody. I would love to support an effort from those four people and others. It would take a lot of people to help but if they're not serious about it could actually do a lot of harm.

And so I am going to sit back and be patient and hear from them. Uh hear what they're working on up there in in uh in Tucker's living room and see how it goes. And if it seems to be going well, you'll have no bigger supporter than your humble host. If it seems like they're not serious, I don't know how I'm going to feel about it.

I don't know how I'm going to feel about it. So, you know, the the people the the the landscape has ch Final thing I'll say about this, then we'll go into tonight's content. The landscape has changed quite a bit. You know, 20 years ago, the idea of a third party coming along was nonsense.

But in the age of of YouTube and Spotify and Apple Podcasts and Twitch and Kick and everything else, hey, the landscape 33 minuteshas changed. The ability to mobilize and activate people is has never been higher than it is right now. the the the ability to bypass the traditional media structure that provides cover for the two ma major parties and go right to the people to go right into the living rooms or bedrooms or cars or phones, bathrooms of the average person has never ever ever been as accessible as it is right now. And that that that may be enough.

That may be enough, believe it or not. But we'll have to sit back and watch. Let's just give them some breathing space. Let's allow this this uh tease that we got of the four of them sitting around the living room table with their spouses.

Let's allow let's allow them to um let's allow them the space to accommodate this without casting judgment or decrying it or or jumping in with both feet too early. Let's just see what happens. Let's see the plan they roll out. I think if I know the four of them, if they come up with a plan, if they decide to go this route, it will be a good plan.

It'll be a good plan. If it's a good plan, I will be on board. I 100% will be unable. All right, let me Chapter 3: FBI Agents Arrive on Scene at UVU Within get into some of the content because I want to go back to the scene of the crime.

I want to go back to um to what happened in the immediate minutes after uh Charlie Kirk was taken down. The immediate minutes before Charlie Kirk had even been pronounced dead, before we first heard the name Tyler James Robinson, before we knew there was a 306 allegedly seen on the Losi roof, we first heard from Cash Patel. This is Cash Patel at 1:53 my time. This would be 12:53 their time.

This is precisely after everything happened. We get a tweet from Cash Patel. We are closely monitoring reports of the tragic shooting involving Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University. Our thoughts are with Charlie, his loved ones, and everyone affected.

Agents will be on the scene quickly, and the FBI stands in full support of the ongoing response and investigation. Agents will be on the scene shortly. Well, that's that's prospective. That means he believes FBI agents are on the way.

And that made sense to me because the Salt Lake City field office is like away. If they're speeding, let's call it 35 or 40. It makes sense to me that they wouldn't be there yet. But then we get a press release from the FBI.

This press release came out 2 days later. And in the press release, we get a different story. And so we already see the story sort of changing in real time. This is a this is a something that happens in this case quite a bit.

The story seems to change. So, here's the press release we got 2 days later on September 12th. A little bit of the timeline. I'm reading right here where this purple line is.

A little bit of the timeline. m. on Wednesday. The first FBI agents arrived on the scene in with chiefs of police at 12:39 and secured the scene.

The FBI immediately launched fixedwing assets. Those are airplanes. Airplanes or maybe drones, I guess. Uh but now we've sped that timeline up cuz the first tweet was afterwards.

And he says, "Help is on the way. " 2 days later they say, "No, they weren't in route at all. They were already there. In fact, they arrived with the chiefs of police.

Were they just hanging out at the police station? Where were they? How did they how did they know to get there? Were they already in Oram?

Why were FBI agents in Oram? Because if you're six if you arrive in , you are close. You are very close. And why are you arriving with the chiefs of police?

Is that who you're hanging out with? That's an interesting question and I think it's a question that demands an answer. You know, we ask a lot of questions in this. We've asked a lot of questions of Erikica Kirk.

She's ignored most of them. Occasionally, she'll answer one. And I say we, I don't mean your humble host only. I mean, we as a community, we as an investigative body.

A lot of people have asked Erica Kirk a lot of questions. And every now and then, she'll respond to one, usually with uh with with a snark and an ill will, but she at least responds. I think this is a question that needs a response. Cash, baby, buddy, pal.

How the hell did FBI agents get there in ? Where were they? Now, it's possible FBI agents were investigating something in Provo or Oral. It's possible they were in the area and they get a call that, "Oh my goodness, Charlie Kirk's been shot.

" And so they look up and they I'm away, Sarge. Or I guess they don't have sergeants in the FBI, but I'm away, boss. I'll be there in just a few minutes. And they 38 minutesroll up and they just happen to roll up at the same time as the chief of police.

But in the event that's not what happened, where were they? Why were they in the area at all? And what were they doing? And did they actually arrive with the chiefs of police by in the same car or trailing each other?

Was it a coordinated arrival? I think the answer to this question could begin to unravel whether or not the FBI had some sort of knowledge something was going to happen because I hate to go there. I hate to even think that. But it's kind of how I think these days.

Um, I was going to play a clip of him, but he basically just says the same thing. m. " He said that on September 15th. So September 12th and September 15th, same story.

September 10th, slightly different story. Slightly different story. So, let's go back to the scene. Chapter 4: Watching the Crime Scene Destroyed Within Three Minutes of the Big Bang We actually have really good evidence of what the scene looked like in the immediate aftermath.

A guy named Adam Bartholomew. He has a YouTube channel called Life is Driving. I've actually interviewed him on this program uh back in October. It was a disaster, but props to Adam Bartholomew for leaving us this video footage.

He left it up on YouTube. He has it on X. I have downloaded a copy in case he ever gets rid of it. Um, but it's really good footage and it's been used very very widely as part of this investigation, helping to identify certain people, knowing where people were at a given period of time, uh, who was at this location.

He's the reason we know Terrell Farnsworth, for example, took down the camera, moved the chair. So, let's roll through this for just a second because we get an idea in the very immediate aftermath what's happening on the scene. This is almost precisely after it happened. like and two seconds after it happened.

And this is Adam Bartholomew rolling through. I'll I'll kill the sound and we'll just listen watch him roll through. But this is him rolling through the scene. Now it's been .

As you look at this scene, what do you notice? Now, we know, we believe at this point in time, we're after this. We know there were at least six UVU police officers there. That's been the statements that the UVU has given so far.

We know now looking back and having identified people, there were at least two more un uh ununiformed officers there from other jurisdictions. Uh I see one of them in the screen right now, but we'll point him out in just a minute. We know that there are police in the immediate vicinity. What we also what we don't know at this time is where did the harm come from?

Did the harm come from underneath the tent? Did it come from the Losi Center? Did it come from one of the crowd members? In other words, this entire vicinity is a potential crime scene.

We don't know where the crime scene is. And so the the question is, if you're one of these cops, how do you begin to establish a perimeter? Should you establish a perimeter? And where should that perimeter be?

Because right now, if let's just assume a gunshot came from from uh uh you know, right in front of the tent, right? Right in front of the tent. Well, you got a cameraman here picking stuff off the ground in front of the tent. Right next to this railing in front of the tent, you got a guy picking stuff off the ground.

What if he's picking up gunshell casings? What if he's picking up evidence? What if he's picking up a firearm that was used? What if he's picking up a cell phone that the shooter dropped and he's putting in his pocket?

What if it what if the what if the shooting I mean it hit his left neck. What if it came from where all these people these two guys in red shirts right here from all these people are standing. What if it came from right there and you got people just milling about? So we'll let it roll for another second.

Again, this is just three minutes afterwards and Adam does a really really good job here as a journalist of documenting the scene in the immediate aftermath. Look at all those people standing right there. And this is a cop right here. This guy in the foreground's a cop.

What scene is he securing? Who is he talking to? How is he making sure evidence maintains its integrity? All he's doing is walking around with a guy with a paramedic bag and there there's this there's this lady walking up here and distracting him, talking to him.

How do we know she's not in on it? How do we know she's not getting his attention to let somebody run off with evidence? Look under the tent. Look inside the perimeter of the tent.

There are multiple people milling about under this tent. There are people grabbing stuff off the ground right next to where a crime happened, where a guy died. So, as we're watching this, and this is going to become an issue here soon. I guarantee you it's going to become an issue.

As we're watching this, we have Now, now this is Officer Baggley. He's the guy who testified. I believe this is officer Bagley here. Um this felt figure uh on this uh on the level here right in the middle.

He's he's wearing a uniform and a hat. He appears to be the only guy trying to secure a crime scene. I've given Bagley a lot of hell, but he appears to be the only guy trying to secure a crime scene. Now go under the tent.

We have a Charlie Kirk security guy in a maroon shirt. Under this speaker to the right, we have unknown man in red hat. Turns out he's a un he's a undercover cop from another jurisdiction. We have Chief Long just hanging out talking to people.

We have another security guy standing under the tent. We have a guy in a suit standing under the tent. We've got a guy or a gal in in hiked up sleeves just wandering around a crime scene in the very immediate aftermath of the crime scene. Obviously, this is before they paved over the crime scene.

44 minutesBut if you have to come back and investigate this crime scene an hour later, three hours later, two days later, if you have to come back and try to figure out who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why, is this helping or hurting your case? If you're charged with prosecuting this case, is this helping or hurting your case that Charlie Kirk security guys are milling around in the exact area where he died? If you're the defendant, is this helping your ability to prove your innocence? How do you know people aren't dropping off evidence right there?

How do you know people aren't picking up evidence? You got another guy in a short sleeve shirt bottom right right here. Right. Right behind the word Adam.

Just another rando comes walking in the scene. He just comes walking under the tent going behind the table exactly where Charlie Kirk fell. He's walking through the blood. And I'm not making too big of a deal about this.

This is a big deal. Look at all those people. Who's this guy in the pink hat? What's he doing?

Why is he standing there? Who's this guy on the lower left in the in the bucket hat just hanging out? And and frankly, why is Adam Bartholomew who's doing a good job documenting this? By the way, I'm not knocking his efforts here, but he's doing a good job documenting this.

So what we've learned in the in the since then is this guy in the red hat standing right in front of the tent right in the evidence scene is a undercover police officer as is I believe this guy in the blue shirt right here behind the like buttons the like and dislike buttons is right here is I think this guy's an undercover officer as well. Then we have Chief Long who's here in the middle. And then we have a bunch of Charlie Kirk security guys just hanging out in the middle of a crime scene. These guys are not uniform police officers.

They have no business being there. The camera comes even closer. Again, guys, this is an active crime scene. We have the chief of police picking up evidence, blowing in it, and then you'll see him banging on the table.

Look at that. What are you doing? Has this been documented? Has anybody taken a picture of the crime scene yet?

Has anybody attempted to establish where the evidence was at any given time? They're just wandering around a crime scene. This is going to be a murder investigation. I think everyone agrees is a homicide.

Everyone agrees it's a homicide. No matter what you think happened to Charlie Kirk, no matter who you think killed him, how they killed him, or why they killed him, everyone on earth would agree every everything you see here is a crime scene and has no business having random guy with white hat back here. There's two or three of them just hanging out, girl with with long bleach blonde hair back here, security guys milling about, even the chief of police picking up evidence, banging it on the table. How do you know that microphone is not going to become the piece of evidence we need to uh to figure out what happened?

At least nobody's under the tent for right now. That's going to change here in just a minute. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Now we got another guy wandering through. Terrell Farnsworth comes into the crime scene. There's no there's no attempt to establish any kind of perimeter.

You know, they'll put the caution tape up around a crime scene almost immediately upon arrival. We've got a a an undercover officer and a cameraman now making their way into the crime scene. Now, look where cameraman goes walking through the crime scene. Walking where I mean, how do we know there's not something right there he's steppling all over that's going to become important?

How do we know he's not moving the blood splatter around so that they can't tell about trajectory and force and everything like that? We don't. All of that has to be investigated at some point. And of course, one of the most egregious examples of anything that possible.

Now, we got another cameraman under the under the tent. We have two cameramen now standing in the exact spot where the murder victim went down. We got two cameramen standing in the exact spot. There's no police officer observing them.

There's nobody watching them. There's nobody telling them to move. We had at least six UVU police officers and two uniformed officers from other jurisdictions there. And not one of them sought to establish a perimeter around the crime scene.

And you're going to take this to trial and you're going to try to convict a man when the crime scene was absolutely destroyed from the moment it happened. And it's not like it was destroyed because there were no cops around to establish a perimeter. It was destroyed in the negligence of the cops. So they're there chatting.

Here comes the chief. That's the the deputy chief just walked by in the foreground. He's not telling anyone to get out of the way. He's not worried about them sloshing around in Charlie's blood back there.

You got another cop now walking through. There goes the chief again. This guy in the red shirt, red hat down here at the bottom. uh a an undercover police officer from another agency.

Again, you still have a journalist basically in the perimeter just watching. Here goes the cop just wandering around, not telling anyone to get back. Not he's got his back to Terrell. Terrell Farnsworth could be doing anything under there.

We have no idea what he's doing. We were told all he wanted to do was save the footage. Well, he didn't save the footage from the other cameras. He didn't go get the SD cards from the other cameras.

This guy doesn't seem particularly concerned at all that anyone's standing in the exact spot where the gunshot took or the alleged gunshot took place. There's another uh uniform uh a non-uniform police officer walking through the scene with his back to Terrell Farnsworth. No idea what's going on right there. Terrell could be planting a gun.

Terrell could be planting a bomb. Terrell could be planting anything. He could be picking up evidence. He could be walking away.

No one cares. No one cares. 50 minutesHe's looking around. He's looking around.

He made eye contact with this guy in the blue. Go back and look at that again. He made eye contact with this guy in the blue. Watch this.

The guy in the blue looks right at him here. There's the guy in the blue comes in. He turns around. He whispers something.

Watch this. He He walks. He and Terl basically look at each other. Look at that.

Yeah, you're good back there, baller. Go ahead. Have fun. Yeah.

Pick up the chair he was killed in. Stand on it. Stand on all the blood. Get it all smooshed around.

Make sure you change the dynamics of everything about that chair. Make sure you change everything about it. The blood splatter, the the everything. Make sure you just get rid of it all.

Make sure you stand in it and get it all over your shoes so you could track it around everywhere so we have no idea what happened. And make sure you take down the camera so that that whatever's on or in or near that. 51 minutesLook at this guy's just picking stuff up back here. How do you know he's not picking up the the weapon?

You got a guy just picking stuff up back here on the right. He's just grabbing stuff, walking off. One of the themes that's going to come out of this is that nothing was done right. Everything fell below the standard of what should have been done.

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The camera has now been taken down. Terrell has taken down the camera and is walking off with it and putting it on the table again, changing the crime scene, pulling stuff out of it, moving stuff around. We're told he just he just took a an SD card out, but we have no idea actually what he's doing back there. We have no idea what he's doing.

He's looking around very suspiciously, I'll tell you that. This guy right here in the blue is a cop. His back is too terrible. He has no idea what's taking place under there.

I cannot imagine a crime scene anywhere in the world where this level of of negligence is taking place while an active crime scene is being altered in real time. Again, this is not an example where someone gets shot in a grocery store in in in a major metropolitan area and the police are not on the scene and it takes them to respond and people take advantage of it and start stealing stuff and and chaos. It's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a situation that absolutely could be controlled and they're just not doing it.

Here's the reason I raised this. If you have this level of negligence at the crime scene, this level of negligence literally three to five minutes after the event happens, this is like , after it happens, there are multiple police officers wandering around in the immediate vicinity. Not a single one of them is seeking to establish a perimeter. Not a single one of them is trying to remove people from the scene who are not uniformed officers or not 53 minutescertified officers.

Not a single one of them is doing anything to make sure this investigation has any integrity whatsoever. They're allowing footage to be taken off to take taken away. They're allowing cameras to be taken down. They're allowing the chair to be moved and stood in.

They're allowing things to be just picked up and people walk off. They have their back to people while people are actively grabbing stuff. They have no idea what they're grabbing back there. No idea.

Now, do you believe all Terrell did was take an SD card? Can I let you in on a secret? I don't I don't believe that that's all he did. I don't at all believe that's all he did.

And here's the problem. It's been destroyed. We have no way to establish exactly what he did because whatever he did is gone. And it was taken while a officer is with a badge holding a gun looking the other way 58t away from him and you're going to try to kill a man over this.

You're going to try to take Tyler Robinson's life over this. There are people begging for it to be done. They're on Twitter saying the most ghoulish things ever. Fry him.

Put him out of his misery. Give him a firing squad. What? A, we haven't seen all the evidence, but that that's neither here nor there.

We don't even have a crime scene that has any integrity. We have no idea what took place under that tent. And we never will. We never will.

We can't. We can't. It's been fundamentally altered in the first . That's not even to talk about the next 5 days what took place where they dug it up and paved over it.

This is realtime evidence, not just of Terrell Farnsworth allegedly taking an SD card. That's sinful enough. But we've got the deputy chief of police banging the microphone on the table, moving it. We've got we've got security guards just walking through, trapesing all over stuff.

We have multiple cameramen moving around behind the table, walking through the blood pattern. There's no caution tape. There's no police line tape. There's nobody standing around at the points of ingress and egress saying, "You can't come down here.

Get the hell out of here. What are you talking about? Why are you even trying to walk down here? " Instead, they're playing on their phone.

They're walking around. I. Joe or something. I don't know what is he looking for holding a gun.

This set the tone for the entire investigation. Every step of the way, this is the way it goes. Every step of the way, this is the way it goes. In the very immediate aftermath of this, critical evidence, things like Tyler Robinson, allegedly Tyler Robinson walking up and down the street, is sent to TMZ, not the chief of police, not the FBI.

Nothing about this is going to make sense as everything starts to come out because now I mean we basically gotten to where they're going to bind it over to a jury. I mean almost assuredly. I suppose it's possible the judge could look at this and say, "What are you out of your mind? You haven't produced any evidence he was even on the roof.

How could he fire a How can I have probable cause to believe he fired a roof? It's not against the crime. It's not against the law to go to Chick-fil-A and you never showed pictures of him in Chick-fil-A. He just told us he was there and every other picture he showed is blurry, right?

I don't even know if it's him on campus. But let's assume he binds it over to the grand jury. Now, we're going to get to an interesting phase of the trial because we're going to start to have discovery disputes. We're going to have to start we're going to start having 702 hearings where they determine who's an expert and what they can talk about.

We're going to start to have evidence hearings, evidentiary hearings where they determine what evidence is actually going to be put in front of the jury. It's going to be a very interesting phase. It's going to be probably very long if I had to guess. 6 months to a year and a half probably of this kind of nonsense going back and forth.

But what we're going to find out is every step of the way in all likelihood this investigation fell far below the standard of a decently run investigation. And it started in the first three minutes. I would say it started in the first three seconds when the single most important piece of evidence, the body, was picked up like a sight of beef and chucked into an SUV. I would say that's where it started.

But we know within the first the crime scene was already being destroyed. So, now we have Pam Bondi talk about when the FBI agents showed up. Keep in mind, there were no FBI agents showing up uh when that 3 to 5 58 minutesminutes we were talking about. They allegedly showed up about later.

Uh but Pan Bondi even gets in on the action. She's the attorney general at the time. FBI and ATF ATF agents are on the scene. Pray for Charlie.

m. my time. m. And that was when it was edited.

I guess we could look at the edited history. Um, yeah. When was that? Okay, so that's 157.

So that's uh uh . She says uh FBI agents are on the way. And then by uh whatever time FBI agents were actually there. Oh, on the scene.

m. FBI agents are on the scene and ATF agents are on the scene. That's after the fact. They already have ATF and FBI agents on the scene.

That seems extraordinarily fast to me. " FBI agents within and within we've confirmed ATF agents on the scene. That seems fast. Seems fast for a routine um a routine uh uh murder.

Now, we've played this video footage before, but I will never get sick of playing this video footage. So, we're going to play Chapter 5: Blake Neff, Mikey McCoy, Danny Philip, Nate Walker Calmly Arrive at Hospital and Terryl Farnsworth Calmly Leaves Campus it again. This is some of the best footage that's ever been played. And now we know precisely when this was taken.

It was exactly after the Big Bang took place. 50- 0 . We have This is Tempenogga's Hospital. This is the emergency room.

You know, one thing I don't see in any of this emergency room footage, I don't see the SUV. What do they do with the SUV after they drop Charlie? I don't see it in the parking lot in any of the footage. I don't see it anywhere.

All right, here comes Mikey. So, that's it took Mikey to get there. What's What's Mikey doing for the first ? Because there's a time stamp right there.

See how it says 214? Wait a minute. Why do we say ? If that's 214 and there come the other three.

Th This just gets great. Now, I will point out, and I think I pointed this out in a previous show, his book bag looks lighter than it looked in previous ep in previous appearances. He's still wearing his backpack. Mikey's still wearing his back backpack.

They still have their backpacks on. Um, and it looks lighter. It looks lighter to me. What was in the backpack that is now gone from the backpack?

I think that's a legitimate question for Danny Phillip. What did you take out of your backpack? Mikey's down to one strap on his backpack, so we can't tell if it's the same size. But with his, we can.

And now we know Nate Walker no longer has his little passenger bag. And that's fine. You don't have to carry your passenger bag everywhere. But if you're going to carry your backpack and only has gone by, where's your backpack?

Or am I Did I get the wrong? Let me go back and look at my notes here. Oh. Oh.

Mountain time. There we go. Okay. Yeah.

1:14 Mountain Time. Excuse me. So, it was after. So, I guess the obvious question is if you if Mikey, Danny, and Blake knew that everybody had gone to the hospital, what did they do for ?

Where were they? Who were they talking to when Mikey walked off? Where did he go? Did he walk into a parking lot and get in a car?

Did he talk to somebody out there? Did he stand out there in the parking lot by himself and make calls? Were he and Blake playing, you know, the little kids games? What were they doing out there?

Did they order a cheeseburger? Were they waiting on Uber Eats? Did they run up to the Someone in the comments said Chick-fil-A? They run up to the Chick-fil-A at the Sorenson Center and grab a Chick-fil-A chicken tender sandwich.

They're delicious. Maybe they did. Maybe they got a frosted lemonade. But what took them to show up at the hospital?

That seems like an extraordinarily long period of time, especially when we're told Mikey's the one who's the admiral. He's the captain. He's the amazing Mikey McCoy. He's the one ordering people around.

He's the one calling the vice president. He's the one getting planes up in the air. What was he doing for ? Let's assume it took him 10 full minutes to get Charlie Kirk to the to the hospital, which I think is a little long, but maybe it did.

Let's say . What did they do for the next 40? Have have any of them talked publicly about what they did for those ? Has anyone asked Blake where did you go in the immediate aftermath?

You said you called your mom. Who else did you call? Did you call anyone else? You put that phone away.

But what did you do for ? That looks suspicious to me. Especially when Blake told us it was I'm not going to play that. When Blake's initial interview on September 11th, he said it took him about to get to the hospital.

Well, you missed it by a factor of 100%, sir. You missed it by half. might be explainable with traffic trying to get to your car, got to get over there. starts to border on the absurd.

Starts to sound like you did something else in the meantime. Now, you told us you called your mom. Has anybody released a call log? Erica Kirk told Candace who Mikey called.

Has anyone released a call log of who they called in the immediate aftermath? I think it would be awfully in intwfully informative. Who did they talk to? Where did they go?

How did they get there? It looked like Blake and Mikey sort of walked off together off into the background. Did they park in that parking lot? Did they get in a car with somebody in that parking lot?

Did they meet with somebody in that parking lot? These are questions that are going to have to be answered. If we're going to get to the bottom of who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why, these are going to have to be answered because you don't only want to know what happened. You want to know what didn't happen so that you don't have to chase rabbit trails.

If you get a call log from Blake from both of his phones, you get a call allegedly. You get a call log from Blake and it's just his mom. " Actually, we don't know because they use all these weird apps, too. Telegram, you can make calls through that.

You can make calls through FaceTime. You can make calls through, you know, WhatsApp. So, maybe we still wouldn't know, but at least we would know he didn't call using AT&T or Verizon. Then we get another really weird thing here because we have now a time stamp on what time Terrell Farnsworth left campus.

5 minutesThis was a live feed. Notice the time here. 2:36 Mountain Time. At 2:36 Mountain Time, we have Terrell Farnsworth walking out like a boss.

Look at him on the phone, backpack on, not a care in the world. Philip Goldsbury back there getting comforted. I don't know. I don't know the guy's name in the LA hat here.

The green LA hat. Looks like he doesn't skip a gym day, though. I'm all right with that. I'm all right with that.

m. Mountain time, that's a long time after it happened. That's more than two hours afterwards. What were they doing for more than two hours before they leave campus?

That's more than two hours. I ask you a question. Just look look at any of their faces outside of Philip Goldsbury Jr. Did any of them seem seem remotely bothered by anything that happened?

their friend, their boss or their contractor, whatever, the guy they worked with on a daily basis was tragically murdered. I talked to people the next day who were still crying. These guys seem fine. Go back to go back in your mind and play it again, but go back to that footage of of Mikey and and Danny and who else was in that?

Uh Mikey and Danny and uh Blake and whoever else it was uh uh Nate showing up at the at the hospital. Did any of them seem particularly bothered after it happened? They have no idea what condition he's in. I'm sure they've assume they've talked to people.

I mean, Ben Shapiro had talked to people who had been updated on his condition on on what was going on in the car. Did any of them seem particularly bothered to you? Did any of them seem like this is a an out of the ordinary event they didn't expect? I've seen people more upset when their bird died.

I've seen people more upset when their gerbil dies, when their goldfish goes. Like they can't bring themselves to flush it down the toilet. They take out in the backyard and bury it like in in in a a wall of tears. Did they look that way?

Did they look particularly broken up to you? They seem fine if we're being honest. Seems like they're going to visit their buddy who sprained his ankle on the basketball court. They finished the game and then they came over to see if he's doing all right.

That's a real bother to me. It's a real bother to me, particularly from someone who was like looking around to make sure no one was catching him doing whatever he was doing in the bloody footprints of the crime scene, moving the chair, the bloody chair he was standing in. Where is that chair, by the way? Where's the chair or the tables or the tent?

Where's the platform he was standing on? Where's the platform Dan Flood was standing on? Where are the the the drapes that were over the tables? You know, we talk a lot about where's his shirt?

Could the shirt be tested for something that might indicate what happened to him? What about the chair he was in? That'd be a pretty good source of information. Why was there Why was there more concern with locking down the hospital than locking down the crime scene?

that strike you as a little out of balance to you. People get shot every day. They go into the They go into hospitals every day with gunshot wounds. Uh if you live in a major metropolitan area like Chicago, Detroit, uh we used to live in Montgomery, Alabama.

If you listen to the police scanner, it's it's gunshot wounds all night. Sometimes you'll go to the ER because your your kid is sick at one in the morning and there's three or four gunshot wounds taking place at the exact same time. They don't lock the hospital down. They don't take the cameras.

They don't put police tape up. They don't They don't tell people they can't come or go. Why is the microphone he's holding in an acrylic box at at a fundraiser? Why is it not in an evidence locker somewhere where it could be tested to see was it functioning properly?

Did it short out? Was it was it damaged in some way? and everything that happened. Why was it released to the wife to use as a fundraiser?

Where's the road microphone? You would think if that road microphone I've got one here some here it is. These are pretty robust. You would think if this road microphone was still intact and attached to his shirt, even if they had to cut the shirt off for extraordinary heroic life-saving measures, but this thing is still in his shirt.

Like, this ain't going any Oh, yeah, it is going somewhere. I did that earlier to test it. It didn't go anywhere. This thing is pretty robust.

It's not going to come off. It didn't come off when whatever has happened in his shirt went all crazy. It's not going to come off when they carry him to the car. Don't you think this is a pretty critical piece of evidence?

Where is this thing? I'd love to find the magnet if I could put it back on. I'll find it after the show. But those things are pretty robust.

Where is it? Where is it? Is it in a police locker somewhere? Or is it in an acrylic case where they're fundraising off of it?

All this stuff could be tested. All this stuff could be evaluated by examiners. All this stuff could be evaluated by investigators, by law enforcement and professionals to determine, is the microphone still functional? Was it ever on?

Was it still recording after the fact? We've talked a lot about the necklace and the cell phone that the police should have taken that. Shouldn't they taken the road microphone he was wearing? The necklace he was wearing.

I raise all this because at some point if this does go to trial and and Tyler Robinson stays alive, these questions will have to be addressed at some point. Where is the road microphone? You want to tell us the road microphone didn't explode and we're just crazy animals for suggesting it might have been damaged and pieces of it might have been on the floorboard of a the SUV he was transported in? Well, just show us the microphone.

Guys, this is the microphone he was using. I I used this microphone the other day. I recorded hours of footage on this microphone. That footage exists in two places, three really.

It exists here. It exists in the receiver and it exists in the computer. Like that audio is in three different places, but it's still here because it hadn't been overwritten. If you plug this right now into a computer, it will play the last audio that I recorded.

If you're an investigator looking into this and you're trying to rule out everything and you're sold out on a gunshot, isn't that an easy thing to do? Where's that microphone? Why don't we have it? Why don't we have it?

Here's a screenshot. m. at Utah Valley Hospital. Alert emergency condition impacting Utah Valley Hospital.

This area is now on lockdown. Do not exit building until further notice. Again, people get shot every day. Not only did they lock down the hospital where he was, they locked down a hospital in another city.

Utah Valley Hospital is in Provo. It's like miles away and it was locked down. One of the things that's going to come up in this investigation is what did you do and why was it different from what you normally do? What's your standard protocol and what did you do?

If you're Tyler Robinson's attorney, don't you want to know that question? 14 minutesWhat did you do? And did you do the same things you do in other murder investigations? When someone else gets shot in in Oram, Utah, do they let private contractors come in and take the footage of it?

Like you have footage of a of a of a murder and you let a private investigate or you let a private contractor just come in back there and move the chairs around, stand up in the chairs, grab the cameras off, move the cameras over to the table, take the take stuff out of the camera, take stuff off of the camera, whatever it is. Is that how you normally handle a murder investigation? People just trapes all over the crime scene. You're going to have to convince a jury that this is this was done properly and that the evidence before them is exactly what they would get in any other murder investigation.

Chapter 6: Were "Threats" Against Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, and Megyn Kelly Designed to Keep Them From Investigating? In the immediate aftermath of this, in the immediate aftermath of this, a couple of strange things happened. Couple of very strange things happened. One of them was that other people were told they were targets and could likewise have a similar fate.

Here is Candace Owens describing this. This is back in October that she's describing it. But she's describing something that happened weeks earlier. Passive, erratic, neurotic.

There is a real risk here, right? I do not accept and do you guys that Charlie Kirk lost his life uh because he really pissed off the trans lobby. It terrifies me to think that on a day that Charlie died, I got multiple phone calls from people uh who said that me and Char me and uh Tucker should lay low because we're also on the list. And they never told us who specifically told them that by the way.

Now I'm wondering why they never told us who specifically told them that. I called Tucker. I'm like, I'm hearing are you hearing the same thing I'm hearing? They're saying that we're next.

And now I go, was that supposed to be a threat to me and Tucker? to have us watch the public execution of a friend of ours and then to call us and to say you should lay low for a little bit because you guys were we're hearing that you guys are on a list. Was that just supposed to be a threat? Because why wouldn't you be more forthcoming with exactly who you heard that from?

Uh and I said I remember saying I was like did the feds say this? Who said this specifically? Because why aren't they calling me and Tucker? Why are why am I calling Tucker and telling him about this?

And I did. He will tell you that day Charlie Kirk was shot. This really happened. And I'm coming out of the grief stage and realizing I think that was an element of this.

I think that was an element a threat. One of the recurring questions we get on this show time and time again is why is Megan Kelly why is Megan Kelly being weird about this investigation? Why is she accepting the fed slop narrative? Our friend Travis over at Neilo X uh on X found this little goodie from Megan Kelly where she described a threat she received.

And Abby texted me saying stand down like hold on before you you come. And I was like what happened? There was a threat that had been facts that was really nasty and it was very specific, which is scary, especially 10 days after child's assassination. " And she said, "Mk, I don't think you should read it.

" And I said something I've never said to Abby before. Don't make me ask twice. So, I forwarded along and we hung up the phone. I start seeing a little bit of it and I'm like, "Holy [ __ ] those facts to Virginia Tech.

We're due to leave in . This is serious. They know details. It's pretty descriptive.

They kind of know the location. And it was kind of the same the same threat that killed Charlie. Kind of the same threat that killed Charlie. I would say the three most prominent conservative podcasters on September 10th were Megan Kelly, Tucker Carlson, and Candace Owens.

The three people who have traditionally not bought the mainstream narrative of of crimes and government operations. the three people who probably would be most likely to look into this and say, "This doesn't make sense. I don't like the looks of this. " And I think it's funny that those were the three who were targeted with these threats.

You didn't have to target Betty Johnson. He's on the team. May or may not be compromised. I don't know why he's so committed to the team.

Same with Jack Bobic. Same with Officer Tater Tot. Same with Blake Nef, Andrew Kovette, Graham Allen. Like, these people for whatever reason, whether it's they're compromised or they're paid or whatever it is, these people are on the team.

Squarely on the team. You don't have to worry about them investigating who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why. But Tucker Carlson, he might. And he's out here releasing Thomas Crooks videos.

He's out here releasing 9/11 videos. He doesn't buy any mainstream narrative. You tell him that this is what the mainstream says. He's like, "They didn't kill Lee Harvey Oswwell didn't kill JFK.

" Well, that's somebody you're going to have to keep quiet. That's somebody you're going to have to control. Same thing with Megan Kelly. Look at her work on the Coberger case in Idaho.

Well, Megan Kelly's in there saying, "Well, sounds like someone else might have been in the house. Why did they knock the house down? I don't know. I'm not sure this guy did it.

Why didn't we get a trial? Why did we get a life without parole plea? " Megan Kelly is someone who could have been a real thorn in their flesh on this investigation. Now, look at Candace Owens.

That's a loose end you've got to tie down if you're going to pull something like this off. You've got to find a way to quiet her. What better way than Hey, perhaps you should lay low. You and Tucker should lay low.

Who said that? Ah, not going to tell you. But you're on the list. You're on the same list.

Are we to believe she's on some trans list in St. George, Utah? That's the list she's on. That's that's that's the story we're going with that that that Tyler Robinson and his Magic the Gathering friends and his guys in there playing Dungeons and Dragons are somehow coming up with a list and putting Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens on it.

That's that's that's the story here. No, no. This this looks coordinated. This looks like let's identify the people we have to shut down in order to get this thing and pull this off.

Let's make sure they get the notice that they don't want to play around with us. We're going to use the same language and we're going to we're going to fax a threat. Facts. We're going to fax a threat.

When's the last threat that was faxed? If we're being honest, go back, go back through history. When was the last threat that was faxed? Probably pre 911.

No one uses fax machines. I remember one time I went to I called to get medical records. This is 10 or 15 years ago. It was a while back.

We were moving and I needed to take my kids medical records with me. " They said, "We'll just fax them. You will where where are you going to fax these records? Who faxes things in 2025?

Who faxes anything, much less a a vague or a highly specific threat to Megan Kelly? It seems like there was an effort to contain the investigation. Why would you want to contain the investigation? Well, guys, we're sitting here right now on August 2nd.

We're like six weeks away, five, six weeks away from the oneyear anniversary of this. Tyler Robinson hasn't even been determined to, they have not even established probable cause to determine that Tyler Robinson needs to go to trial. There are people spending thousands of hours of their own time on this investigation. You multiply that times tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of people who are interested this investigation, who are actually actively looking into it, spending time getting on the computer, researching stuff, pulling property records.

I mean, my goodness, Daisy spent hours looking at carpets in funeral homes in Utah to try to determine which room was Charlie Kirk in when they filmed that horribly creepy video of Erica Kirk draped all over the casket. The corpse, not just the casket. They could not have imagined Daisy 8 months, nine months later looking over funeral home carpet. We're not alone.

Uh there's a guy in Australia named Muppet Masher. I didn't think that's his Christian name, but that's his that's his handle. That's what he goes by. He made it his life's mission to identify everybody at the scene.

Everyone at the scene. And he's done a really good job. I think there are only a couple of people still outstanding that I would like to know who they are that he's not able to determine who they are yet. There's a guy in a blue shirt and a pink hat.

I know Blake Bednar has spent a lot of time trying to figure out who that is. He's got a ponytail. Nobody knows who that is. He's all over the crime scene walking back and forth, picking stuff up, kicking stuff with his feet, moving stuff out of the way.

We have no idea who that guy is. Do you think they anticipated Muppet Masher creating corkboards with Polaroids on it and and and then writing in the names as he identifies everybody one by one? No. io io and uploading every court document and every piece of evidence into this thing.

com with all the transcripts uploaded that you could natural language query. No. But do you think there's evidence that exists that whoever did this was afraid that people like Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, and Megan Kelly might dig into this and and launch a decentralized investigation? Yes.

Yes, I do. I think the threats are that evidence. The threats are that evidence. Chapter 7: What We Learned About the Crime Scene Destruction and How it Will Affect the Prosecution 26 minutesAnd we've just gone to the crime scene.

What happened at the hospital? Did it meet the standard of how you handle a dead body? Was the investigation done exactly the way a murder investigation is always done? Is the person who was assigned to investigate it, was he allowed to do his investigation?

We'll look at that later in the week. Did the medical examiners do anything unusual in this case? How long should this autopsy have taken place? How long did it take?

Where did the body go before and after the autopsy? How long should that have taken? I did a whole show on it last week or two weeks ago and speculated. I've learned a lot since then.

Uh I know some uh mortician lady on YouTube clipped that episode. It was great. I I don't mind it at all. She did a great job.

Um disagree with me on a lot and I don't care, you know. I'm not I'm not prideful. I don't care if people disagree with me. 27 minutesUm but but she went through and and looked at her own timeline and suggested of when things might have been able to take place.

At some point they're going to have to come off the timeline. At some point that medical examination is going to be evaluated. That autopsy is going to be evaluated and we're going to see what time it started and what time it ended. We're going to see every single procedure that was done.

We're going to know all the pictures that were taken. We may not see the pictures, but at least we'll have knowledge of how many pictures were taken and how many pictures are going to go in front of the jury and all these kinds of things. Was this autopsy handled properly? Was all the evidence preserved that should have been preserved of the autopsy?

Is everything photographed that should have been photographed based on some of the injuries they released in the autopsy uh clippings I guess you could call it or a little copy paste out of the autopsy report that the state used in their recent filing in support of binding this trial over for a for a jury. We were able to figure out the nature of some of the injuries to Charlie's heart, to his lungs, to the space between his ribs, to his brain, to his neck, to the soft tissue in his neck, to the the cartilage tissue in his neck, all the different uh pieces there, all the vascular structure. It talked about which ones were damaged and which ones weren't. All that complicates the autopsy.

It slows it down. In order to evaluate that those injuries happened, you have to appreciate the injuries and then you have to do things to document the injuries and then to preserve the evidence from those injuries. Were those things documented properly? Were they preserved?

Joseph Scott Morgan and I talked about that a great deal. I think that's going to be really illuminating. I don't want to spoil the surprise, but it was a really, really deep, rich discussion. And we were able to establish from an expert, from Joseph Scott Morgan, who has served as an expert witness many times, who has trained medical professionals who do these types of things, who's trained police officers who do these types of things.

We were able to establish through that conversation sort of a minimum standard that that almost had to be met in order for this autopsy to be any good at trial. It'll be very interesting to see if they met that standard because on the off chance they did not meet that standard, it's going to be difficult to prove Tyler Robinson did this. It's going to be difficult to prove he was shot with a 306. It's going to be difficult to say that he was shot with a 306 from a roughly 9 degree uh offset.

It's going to be difficult to uh preserve or prove that he was shot from an elevated position from 138 yards away. There are minimum standards that must be met in an investigation starting at the crime scene. I would argue those standards were obliterated. They were obliterated.

Meaning the crime scene no longer has much value. The value begins to diminish with each movement of each object, with each person who walks through it. Now, good luck going back now and doing any kind of sound analysis. The sound of that facility has changed because now there's concrete and flower planters where there used to be soft grass and soil.

Good luck trying to recreate the height and the position because the it there's there's concrete planters there. I mean, there's concrete papers there. Good luck. And if you don't have that seat, good luck finding a chair that's the exact match because you're gonna want to do all this stuff.

And if this stuff wasn't preserved properly, how are you going to prove that the gunshot came from the location you claim it did? It's almost like there was never supposed to be an investigation. I believe more and more every day that I dig into this. This is not something I raised with Joseph Scott Morgan when we talked the other day, but I it's almost as if Tyler Robinson was not supposed to turn himself in.

He I don't think he was supposed to survive. And if he wasn't supposed to survive, if that was the plan that you were going to take an innocent person, a pathy or or maybe not an innocent person, we don't know what his plans were that day, but but if you were going to take someone who did not pull the trigger on a 306 from the Losi center roof and you were going to remove him from this earth before he turned himself in, do you have much qualms with removing him from this earth while he sits in Utah jail waiting on trial? I renew my concern and I renew this often because I want this to be front of mind for people. I think it helps keep Tyler Robinson alive.

I have grave concern for Tyler's safety. I have grave concern for Tyler's safety. Last thing I want to do. Chapter 8: What if Additional Footage Drops That Doesn't Support Official Narrative?

When Candace Owens released this footage last week, she not only aided the investigation because we were able to now get an actual camera angle where you could actually see, you know, legs, a body, a torso, a head. It's not just pixelated blob moving across the thing. But again, I pause it here. There there's there's you you can't point to a 3006 here.

This is a 3 and 1/2t long gun. 42inch long gun. becomes. Oh, there's no 30 out six there.

Period. End of story. I don't know whether there's additional footage of this quality that exists. But the footage she played, and I'll just kill the volume and let it roll.

The footage she played is an enhanced version, a higher quality. There's no gun there, by the way. I just going to keep pointing that out. There is no gun there.

I There's not a 42inch long firearm in that man's hands. It just doesn't exist. But the footage she played was enhanced quality of footage that's already been made available. Think about the consequences of that.

Now, maybe this is all she has. Again, I I I have no idea what what she has in the hopper. Maybe this is all she has. Maybe what whatever her source was, this is all they were able to to capture and and give to her.

But what if it's not? What if it's not? Because one of the things we've had difficult a difficult time discerning is whether and what was in this guy whether he had a gun and and if not a gun, what did he have in his hands? There's no gun there.

When what did he have in his hands when he climbed off the roof? But her footage ends there. I'm very curious when this goes to trial or perhaps sooner if there's enhanced footage from other angles. Will we will we be able to get an answer about what was in his hands when he climbed off the roof or jumped from the roof or ran off towards the street?

Will we be able to see any better? Because at some point, you got to put a gun in that man's hand. He's not accused of throwing a screwdriver at Charlie Kirk. You can't tell me there's a screwdriver on the roof, and that's enough.

Now, I said one more thing. It was actually two. Oh, goodness gracious. We've got more footage from the Joseph Scott Morgan interview.

I can assure you there were serious discussions taking place right here. Julie and Dory put this up on X. I can assure you there was a very serious discussion taking place right there. I have no idea what it was about.

But do you see the level of respect? This is a guy who disagrees with my conclusions. He's not calling me evil. He's not calling me demonic.

He's not calling me stupid. He's not suggesting I have ulterior motives. There's a road microphone in front of me if you want to know what I recorded on that road microphone right next to my glass. I guess I gave that away.

Um, and the Alp right there. That doesn't help either. Uh, but but that's an off thereord conversation while the cameras weren't going. There was no there was no anger.

There was no ill will. Ask yourself a question. If Andrew Kovette and I were in a room together and we were disagreeing on what took place on that day, do you think that would be the scene? Him showing me something on a phone and demonstrating something with his hand in a medical professional way and saying, "Hey, Baron, have you considered X, Y, and Z?

Now, here, let me show you something. Let me pull something up on my phone that demonstrates the anatomy I'm talking about. Now, imagine this. I don't even remember what he was saying right there.

I don't know if DeF took that or or uh Julian took that. Again, that you got to be very careful apparently when you're on someone else's set. They're they're constantly imaging you. Um, it was a level of of of friendliness, kindness, and and mutual desire to get to the truth of what happened.

I don't think he's operating in bad faith, and I don't believe he thinks I'm operating in bad. But at some point they're going to have to establish there's a firearm somewhere. And if if the footage of him climbing off the roof is actually as high quality as that footage there, we should get an answer to that question. Oh yeah, this is what I was going to go to Candace's tweet from was it today or yesterday?

Oh, here it is. This gives me a clue, perhaps the answer to my question of whether additional footage might exist. You you you guys may read into this differently. Here's how I read it.

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that the influencers and TPUSA are absolutely lying about the existence of footage of Tyler Robinson or any person for that matter assembling the gun on the rooftop. That footage does not exist. Save this tweet. It will age well.

I'm just making a guess here. I'm just going to guess that the footage we've seen might not be the end of all the footage we end end up seeing. I'm just wagering a guess. But Baron Baron Baron, do you know for a fact she No, I don't.

But Baron Baron Baron, Has she told you she No. No, she hasn't. But I can read between the lines. If there's a 3006 on the roof, at some point in some angle of some footage, it has to be visible.

It's too big of a firearm to hide, especially if someone's screwing it together with a screwdriver. And if she's confident making that statement in the shadows of the mountain of evidence she's already provided us on what took place on that rooftop, then I'm guessing she might have a reason to say that. We've already caught him lying once. Oh, you can see him pull the trigger.

You can see him take the shot. No, you can't. No, you can't. You can't see them in the quality that you guys saw in the courtroom.

And you can't even see it in the better quality that she was able to provide. If she drops additional footage, it will be a nightmare scenario for the prosecution. It will be a nightmare scenario for the fed slop narrative. It will be a nightmare scenario for the idea that Tyler Robinson was on that roof with a 3006.

It'll be a nightmare. No 300 six, no conviction. I'm just telling you right now, he's not alleged to have taken a shot with another weapon. He's alleged to have taken a shot with a 306.

He's not alleged to have thrown a screwdriver 138 yards and hit Charlie Kirk in the neck. He's alleged to have put a gun together with a screwdriver. That's what they tell us. Actually heard somebody make a comment and I thought about I didn't actually pull the filings, but I started thinking about it and they may be right that there's actually no allegation in any of the filings to date that he did actually use the screwdriver to put the 306 together and that the screw that the 306 came in in pieces.

That may not be the allegation. I have to go back and look at that. Maybe I'll have that tomorrow. We briefly mentioned that on the last episode.

I think the most recent filing where they were citing a bunch of stuff from the medical examiner's report. I think that's the first time we've seen them. 1 is a screwdriver and they tried to say that the photo of the screwdriver is what they're citing and they're saying that that's what he used to put together the gun. But did they say he did it on the roof?

No, they just site the exhibit of the photograph that was taken on the roof. Okay. Yeah. So, I think I don't think we have any any official filing, any official statement that's made it in front of a judge or that could make it in front of a judge that says he assembles it on the roof.

Only that the screwdriver ended up on the roof and that the gun at some point was assembled. But the fed sloppers have told us that's what took place. They told us they saw it. Oh, you can see him putting this gun together with a screwdriver.

that you better be able to or the credibility of the Fed slop narrative is going to take another massive hit. It just is. I think right now, friends, the momentum is in our side. It's in our favor.

I genuinely think that you got correction. Yes, they did say it. So, it says that he assembled it on the roof. Yeah, it says here.

I'll give you the link in the run if you want. Um, it says defendant used a screwdriver to assemble the rifle on the Losi building roof. I then I don't I did not remember seeing that. So that's good.

That's good to know. We aim to be right. We aim to be right. That's what I mean by being right.

So now we do have a statement that they say he assembled on the roof. So you better be able to see it. Candace doesn't think you can. And apparently she has a reason to believe that.

Maybe she has a source who's seen the footage. Or maybe she No one knew she had that footage until she dropped it on people's heads. Who knows what she has in her in her uh uh tool bag. I don't know, guys.

I mean, I'm I'm I think the momentum's in our favor. I think the Fed slop narrative is crashing down all around them. crashing down all around him. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

I pray for Tyler's safety. I don't know if he left the house with clean hands that day. I I honestly don't know. I don't know if he knew that Charlie Kirk there would be an attempt on Charlie Kirk's life or not.

I don't know if he thought he was part of some criminal conspiracy to to take Charlie Kirk out. I'm pretty convinced he did not himself plan to remove Charlie Kirk from this earth um and accomplish that objective. I'm pretty convinced. I'm open to it.

I could be convinced otherwise. But every piece of evidence that comes out furthers the notion that that's not what happened. Every single piece of evidence that comes out makes me more convinced that's not what happened. But I remain open to it.

I'm I'm not going to close my mind to any outcome. I'm not closing my mind to a multi- agency cover up. I'm not closing my mind to some foreign mercenary group showing up and doing this without the knowledge or approval of any government. I I don't think so, but I'm I'm open to it.

Show me evidence of it, I'll believe it. But each new piece of evidence seems to suggest that Tyler Robinson didn't do it. But if he left the house that day intending to be part of something, then he's not what we would call innocent of all charges or he's not innocent. He's but he might be innocent of the charges he's charged with right now, which is killing Charlie Kirk.

That's two different things. You can be innocent of killing Charlie Kirk and still very much have been part of some crime. Maybe you're the getaway driver. Maybe you're the guy who throws the clothes away.

Maybe you're the guy who plants the gun. Maybe you're the guy who picks up the gun. I don't know what your role is, but if he didn't leave the house that day intending to shoot Charlie Kirk from the Losi Center with a 306, then he should not be found guilty of it. The criminal justice system should have a very high standard before it convicts somebody.

You should be far more willing to let a guilty person go than you are to convict an innocent person. And in cases where the evidence is this muddy and this confusing, I don't think you have a choice. I don't think you have a choice. You can't prove your case.

Crime scene was all screwed up. the there's no video footage that he has a 3006. Lots of murders aren't video foot. Yeah, but when there are, you expect to see what they tell you you should see.

You know, somebody gets shot on a street corner and there are no street cameras around and there's nobody video recording it, you not going to have footage of it. But if they tell you ome, you know, somebody, you know, Bill shot Steve at the shoot on a street corner and then there's video footage of it and Bill doesn't have a gun in his hand and Steve falls over dead, you are allowed to look at it and say, "I don't see a gun. I don't even see him pointing that direction. He's looking the other way.

" No, I'm allowed to use my common sense. I'm allowed to look at it and say, "I don't see a gun. We have video footage of somebody something running across that roof and I don't see a 306 in their hands. It's a big gun.

It's a big gun. I told you I got out in the yard and crawled around with rifles the other day. They're hard to hide. They're hard to hide because you got to kind of use them as a counterbalance.

You can't you can't crawl with one in your chest. You got to kind of out here with it as you're crawling around. You got to kind of tuck it tuck your hand around the the uh the stock, the forward part of the stock as you crawl and that gun's just hanging out. Or if you're doing the little lateral crawl, you got to hold the whole thing in your hand under your arm and that thing is sticking out behind you and it's stick out in front of you.

I tried to pull that thing up. You You don't have balance. You can't do it. It's too awkward.

So, I think this will be a fun week. I think it'll be a big week for news. I think it'll be a big week for the Tyler Robinson case. I think it'll be a bad week for Fed Sloppers.

Um, I know what I plan to cover this week. I don't know what other podcasters plan to cover. U, but I think it's going to be a big week. And, um, hold on to your hat.

I don't think you'll need your whole seat this week. Just just just the front edge. Just a little piece on the front like that curls down a little bit. It's all you're going to need this week.

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Amnesia Or Perjury? Exclusive Footage Of The OTHER Man On The Rooftop. | Ep 370
Candace Owens
Streamed live 97 minutes ago Candace Owens

Testimonies from the witness stand don't seem to match what happened on 9/10, we have footage of the OTHER man on the rooftop, and a new report says the US military is asking troops for ‘creative and unconventional’ ideas to punish Iran.



Transcript

Chapter 1: Start. All right, you guys. Happy Monday. I hope everyone had a relaxing weekend with family and friends.

I had a good weekend, but an almost traumatizing situation that unfolded. You know, there's like all of this folklore surrounding what is termed pregnancy cravings. I actually I don't love that term. I feel like the term in and of itself is a little bit inaccurate.

Cravings suggest that they're like not a matter of life and death. And they are they're not optional. Sometimes it's very essential. I always say like in the back half of pregnancy and I never know what it's going to be.

Each pregnancy is different. But for my last two pregnancies, it has been granola. Like I just need to have a specific granola from a certain place, a certain bakery, and they almost were out of it. It was just the saddest thing.

I just thought this entire week was going to get cancelled because the guy told me that there was no more granola. Unfortunately, my husband sprang into action and rescued the podcast this week. " And I was like, "Two boxes, please. " So, I'm at that phase of pregnancy.

I'm at that phase of also, of course, as you guys know, when I'm pregnant with a boy, just not accepting a lot of the narrative that is out there. You know, there's other lore, too, what's known as a uh pregnancy brain. And there's a lot of that going around. Forgetfulness.

Blake Nef, he's got pregnancy brain. Officer Baggley, he's got pregnancy brain. I wonder if they're getting cravings as well. Turning Point USA, they've been experiencing a lot of pregnancy brain when it comes to the positions that Charlie held throughout his entire career, which they've just reversed course on.

So, I'm here to just help everybody out today. Welcome back to Candace. [music] Chapter 2: The missing gloves from the car ride. " I hear you.

Thank you so much, you guys. Thank you for understanding and allowing me a safe place to share the things that I'm going through. Anyway, we received a tip this weekend, a wonderful tip. Shout out to the sleuth who sent it.

Which makes the story of what actually went down during the short car ride to the hospital even stranger. I don't think this car ride could get any stranger. We've got all of these uh random facts that we are learning. Phone calls the Ben Shapiro security team CPR that didn't happen.

What did happen but the memories are different but it's not a contradiction. And of course we broke the story two weeks ago. Do not forget that in the SUV that transported Charlie to the hospital, there were black gloves that were left in the left side door right in the back. Uh remember these?

I'm going to show you on the left. That's actually what was stuffed in there. And on the right was our recreation. We speculated uh that these were either leather or used black nitro gloves.

Nitro gloves like the kind that you see that are sterile. Synthetic synthetic rubber among other things. They are used for surgery. Well, now we can positively assert that those gloves were not in the passenger door when Charlie arrived on campus.

Like I said, one of our sleuths emailed us and gratefully uh turns out that the amazing Mikey McCoy who was suddenly recording Charlie's last moments in the weeks leading up as well. uh he recorded Charlie getting out of the car at the event that day and he was sitting in that specific seat. So he opened his own car door and that pocket was exposed as completely empty. I'm going to show you that this is Charlie's arrival.

Take a look at this. And unfortunately if you are listening to this on uh just audio, you are going to have to pivot to video to see. Don't worry, we're going to slow it down. You just saw that.

Here it is. More slowed down. Empty. And we're going to pause so we can just look at the empty abyss of no gloves.

Oh, why are there no gloves there? Get out of the vehicle. Vehicles parked. Charlie does the event.

And then magically, we're going to get some sterile gloves in there. This is exceedingly problematic, you guys, because it doesn't match the story that we were told by Brian Harpole. Remember, only Brian was supposed to be the person working on Charlie in in the car in the series of events that unfolded. Brian was definitively not sitting on that side of the car and he was already covered in blood.

So much blood. He tells a story about how the nurse wiped it off of his face. " But let's assume he did. Let's assume that was his first thought.

He's like, "You know what? " Even if he had done that, then we'd make the argument that there's absolutely no reason at all for him to have removed the gloves and then stuck them over in Rick Cutler's door as they arrived at the hospital. If you put the gloves on, you keep them on as you carry the person out of the car. Do we agree?

You don't take them off. He doesn't he's not done bleeding. So, yeah, location doesn't make sense. It's in Rick Cutler's door.

And we were told that Rick Cutler didn't do nothing but hold Brian Harpole with a tattoo. He got you. The Brotherhood I saw the tattoo and I knew I was good. Two hands.

Bring up that diagram again for us. Two hands. Making sure that he did not fall. Do we think that Rick Cutler had to put on nitro gloves or leather gloves to hold Brian's so he wouldn't fall out of the car?

6 minutesNow, we also told you that Rick was among those who allegedly stripped down his clothes at the hospital. I think that's something obviously Frank has been open about. We don't know why Frank needed to do it, but we uh were also told that the feds were the ones who allegedly took those clothes thereafter down to his boxer briefs allegedly. Seems a bit much by the way, but okay.

So, I'm just gonna go ahead and page Frank Turk here because I have just so many questions. Where are those gloves coming from? Frank, you talk a lot, right? You're a pastor.

Can you do your best to remember why or when exactly someone in the car decided it would be a good idea to put gloves on and then to very quickly take them off during this brief ride before they got out of the car, stick them in the door? How about, you know what, let's make it easier. How about a simple yes or no question, Frank? Ready?

Did someone in that vehicle potentially cut Charlie's t-shirt in that car? So, I have to be honest with you, right? I know you said you guys were What was that term you use that you guys were doing in the parking lot? Can we run that clip?

What? What were they doing when we're pulling into the hospital parking lot and we're yanking and banking our way there? Now, maybe as we're yanking and banking into the into the uh into the parking lot. Yeah, you guys were yanking and banking.

And I believe you, by the way. I don't know what the term means. I don't know who was yanking, who was banking, what was yanked or what was banked. But I got to tell you, Frank, Frank, the yanking and banking, Frank, the public isn't really buying some elements of the story.

Particularly the portion where Brian Harpole grabs a gurnie, jumps on top of Charlie in the ER, and begins cutting his shirt while the staff looks on for further instructions about what drugs to give Charlie, what drugs to administer. That just sounds like fiction. And I got to be honest, Frank, it would really go a long way if you could just at least confirm Brian Harpole's memories. Is he telling the truth there?

That part? Whipped out scissors, prepped him for a defibrillator. And also, what were you doing in particular when he jumped on the gurnie and began cutting his shirt? Because I got to be honest with you, I don't feel like you and Rick Cutler would let Brian Harpole run the show.

" Like, he's got it under control. I mean, Brian Harpool is definitively not the brightest among you. Not the most trained among you. Even when he describes things in that Sean Ryan interview, he's like, "We're doing the medical.

" Lack of intelligence is what comes across in that interview. I don't buy that. " I just I I don't believe that. " It would go a long way.

Anyway, moving on from that, cuz we're here to just put pieces together, right? There's something else that we have been able to get our hands on. Actually, I had it for a very long time, and it's going to help solve another bout of amnesia. I am so happy to be a pregnant person helping people who are not pregnant with their pregnancy brain.

Chapter 3: Who Officer Bagley was on the roof with. That feels good. Good old officer Baggley, you're up, man. That finds the screwdriver on the rooftop.

The screwdriver, we still don't know um if that screwdriver even if a screwdriver even works for that particular gun. That part's a bit strange. We do know it has Lance Twigs's DNA alongside Tyler Robinson's DNA. Uh, unfortunately, we can't even look at the moment that this screwdriver is found on the rooftop because unfortunately, Officer Baggley's body cam went off at the exact wrong time.

And we we know he was with somebody accompanied by some somebody in plain clothes onto that rooftop when he found that screwdriver. And we would love to be able to ask that guy questions, but well, Officer Baggley didn't get his name or something. " so I can see who I was in the rooftop with for this really important moment where we find Tyler Robinson's DNA. They don't get access or something.

I don't know. Anyway, let's listen to some of his less than compelling moments from his testimony at the preliminary hearing. Take a listen. It appears to me from reviewing your body camera that there was another individual who was with you that went to the Losi building who was in civilian clothing but appeared to have a gun.

Who was that? I I don't know who he was exactly. He he had a badge on and I need somebody with me to back me up as I ran up the stairs to make sure I had somebody with me. So you don't know what agency he's from or where he's from?

No. And he it looked like he had a pistol. Yes. Is that right?

A handgun. Yes. Yeah. And like I said, 10 months later, he had no desire to just go over to the campus that he works on and say, "Hey, could you run the tape back?

" and he explains further about the body cam losing that footage. Take a listen. All right. Your body cam footage that I reviewed appears to end while you're still on the roof.

Do you know why that is? I think the battery went dead. It was just right at that moment. Okay.

And do you know did you ever turn it back on that day or go get it re I don't know. Would you have to do charge it or stick a new battery in it? I don't even know. Usually dock it, but no, I didn't go back.

I was too I was too chaotic running around. So that and body cam that starts when you're at the Hall of Flags and ends while you're still on the roof but haven't put the crime tape up yet. That's the only body cam you have that day. Yes.

12 minutesAll right. You know, people are speculating that officer Bagley might not be telling the whole truth. You know they say you you're going to tell the truth. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.

He might be telling the truth. His body cam footage was off. How it got off. Maybe not the whole truth.

And the nothing but the truth. People are going, I don't know. I don't know. See, there's some weird things.

We're going to address this timeline here. Take a look at this. Right. m.

The first FBI agents arrive at UVU with the chiefs of police. That's what we are told. We were told just took 16 minutes according to Cash Patel and Dan Bonino and various interviews before they got there and secured the scene. So, that's before , which is when Officer Bagley testifies that he arrives on the rooftop, right?

Uh, he gets on to Losi building at . He discovers that screwdriver 10 to 15 ft past the railing in the gravel. Now I Let's listen to Caspel say that so there's no confusion that that's what we were told by the FBI. m.

on Wednesday. The first FBI agents on arrived on scene in with chiefs of police at 12:39 and secured the scene. Again, what I want to stress here is that it took uh for them to arrive on scene. That is remarkably fast given the FBI um office is actually located in Salt Lake City.

That's a 50-minute drive. It's actually incredible that they got there that quickly. If I didn't know any better, I'd say they had fornowledge. They have a little office in a building in Provo nearby that has apparently four agents.

So, I'm I'm stressing that because I want to underscore and you can come out of that, guys. Um, I want to underscore that officer Baggley went onto Losi rooftop after the feds had arrived and had secured and began securing the scene. And we can assume that the FBI is not going to allow just anybody to traverse onto Losi rooftop, right? Or onto any rooftop for that matter because they're looking for a potential sniper, right?

randos in plain clothes, jumping onto rooftops without the right credentials in the middle of a manhunt for a sniper. Yeah, that's a pretty good way to wind up dead really if you were just playing around. So, this officer Bagley story isn't exactly tracking. And like I said, he should have had access to the cameras to figure out who he was up there with.

And it's just astonishing that he claims it's a plain clothes officer who just had a badge and he doesn't remember. So, I'm thinking in my head looking examining the facts that whoever he was with had to have had some rank beds on the scene. They would send themselves up there. They're not going to just let some scrub officer uh take over.

Now, lucky for Officer Bagley, I went combing through all the footage that was sent to me on September 10th, and lo and behold, Officer Bagley gets up there at , . I was able to find some footage of who Officer Baggley was with. m. Thank you, Candace.

Oh my gosh. You're welcome, Officer Baggley. I'm sure that's what you wanted. You just probably wanted to positively ID who was on the Lozi rooftop center with you.

And despite all of the resources of the feds and UVU police and all the cameras, you couldn't do it before that preliminary hearing when you sit down with your lawyer and try to make sure that you have every possible detail remembered. But here I am to save the day. Here is the footage. Let's watch that.

m. Random person walking and they catch Loy Rooftop. Who could that be? Who is that?

Dear man in a plain clothes. Let's bring that closer. Actually, let's uh Oh, Officer Bagley, I think that might be you because here you are lower. We have a closeup of him down there.

You wearing the hat and looks a little baldy on the side. Could be you. Definitely. But we definitely can ID the other guy.

Let's show them on that rooftop again. Oh, bag with the red hat. Cozy rooftop. So, who is that guy in plain clothes on Loy with a bag and a backpack?

Well, first and foremost, credit to Muppet Masher on X who was able to identify the person. It is officer Allan Robinson from the Utah State University Department of Public Safety. Utah State University. So, not even a UVU officer.

Now, this guy in theory is just supposed to be a part of general reinforcements on that day. a nobody. A nobody. But I'm excited that we at least get to add this presumably a nobody to our list of ever growing list of people who are brand new.

Uh because he had just joined the USU police force the summer before. Here was the announcement on Facebook. They announced it on Facebook that he had joined. And another weird thing that we noted while going back and reviewing that footage, but Alan Robertson, as we're going through all that early footage, he actually seems like he's the person that's immediately in charge.

We're going to unpack that further this week. Very weird. We're told he's just some rookie officer from Utah State University who was helping out at the event. Maybe some crowd control.

It's not even his campus. Why would anyone listen to this dude? It's a good question, right? " More importantly, why is Officer Bagley seemingly running cover for this rookie?

Seemingly, allegedly kind of makes me think that this guy is maybe more important than Officer Bagley is letting on. Gratefully, YouTuber Nissi, who does fantastic work by the way, was able to put through a list of several things, question marks about Officer Bagley's testimony that don't appear at second glance to be well, nothing but the truth. Take a listen. So, they describe a man with a badge and a pistol who went with him to the roof.

The individual that fits that description is this red hat guy with the khaki shorts. He has a bag with a badge on it and he was walking around with a handgun. The exac account Muppet Masher identified the red hat guy as Alan Robertson and his friend in the blue shirt as Christopher Hawk. In the life is driving footage.

You see him walking around and texting and making calls. And this really stood out to me because you don't see any other law enforcement officers doing this. Ultimately, Officer Beagley's version of events just doesn't line up with the available footage. So, the question is why lie?

Allegedly, he fails to mention that the man in the red hat was the one that alerted him to the holster. He fails to mention that he had a conversation with the man in the red hat before going to the Losi center roof. And it is interesting that they get there and conveniently his body camera just stops running. He says the battery died, but the camera had only been running for and these body cameras are supposed to last around .

Seems a little suspicious. You were already taking orders from him about the holster. you just didn't mention that throughout your testimony at all. Why Why are we seemingly providing coverage for a rookie from Terrell Farnsworth to Officer Baggley?

Uh there seems to be an immediate understanding that this Alan Robertson character who shall not be named is calling the shots. It's as though he's like in command of the post assassination operation. And you know what's funny about that? We decided to look into him and that is actually what he did but in the military.

You see Alan Robertson is 20 minutesactually a United States Marine. Ah that makes sense. Um and according to his LinkedIn he was the markmanship instructor for the Marines from 2009 to 2014 at Camp Pendleton which is in California. It's a Marine base.

Uh he's been deployed in combat in Afghanistan. and he was also deployed in humanitarian work in Japan for the Marines before he arrived into Utah. You know how I'm feeling right now about the Marines getting involved in humanitarian work overseas. But he was also a police officer just before going to Utah in San Bernardino, California.

But something happened. It was very short before he gets moved out to Utah. Something happened. We don't know what happened, but we believe something did because there was an entry made for him on the Brady List website.

So, if you've never heard of the Brady List website, it's a uh a database of law enforcement officers who have a documented history of misconduct, dishonesty, or integrity violations. And the records are kept actually by prosecutors so that they can there then share them with defense attorneys during a criminal trial. The reason is is because they the Brady list explicitly deals with an officer's credibility as a witness. It indicates that there's internal investigators or like pro prosecutors are flagging an incident which involves dishonesty perhaps falsifying a police report, a policy violation that was severe enough uh that they the defense now has a constitutional right to know that this officer was involved in something uh that's not good.

That puts his credibility in the spotlight. And so he has a a an entry so to speak on Brady List website and we looked and I I thought well maybe he has a maybe there's an entry for every officer in the land and uh I read their about section. I searched online and said nope that's not what they do. But in particular uh most of the people who are on this website they have a link to what their if you want to call them offenses are or what they were involved in that earned them to be mentioned on the braidless website.

But Allan Robertson and every police officer that is at San Bernardino has a blank under here and it tells us that the absence of disclosed material is affected by institutional limitations. And then it says San Bernardino Police Department is not in compliance with its Brady disclosure obligations. So, every officer that is working at San Bernardino that has an entry on this website, there are no details that are provided. And when you click what does it mean to not be in compliance, I mean, it sounds like they can just give you the runaround if they want and say we are in compliance with the Brady stuff, but maybe it's an ongoing investigation.

Um, you can click through and look at this yourself. Allan E. Robertson, my assumption is he has an entry and they're not able to get details on it. Obviously, you guys also know there's a lot of corruption in the San Bernardino, California Police Department.

And so, we are looking for information to be able to verify whether or not there was an incident involving Allan E. Robertson in uh California, which earned him an entry on the Brady List website. Again, we are not too familiar with this website, but we have done our basic due diligence here and we can definitively state that there is no officer in San Bernardino that has um any like documented files attached. So, that seems like they are correct that they are not complying or being totally open uh with ongoing investigations.

Is there a reason he was moved from San Bernardino to Utah? We are obviously going to turn to Californians and to ask you if you know anything. Also, people that were in the Marines, maybe you served alongside this uh Allan Edward Robertson. Uh it could be a reason people are reluctant to name him.

If he had been involved in falsifying testimony, I'm not saying he was, but I'm saying that is the purpose of Brady list. com if you've worked with him in San Bernardino know if you know something about were involved in a case that he was involved in. If you know why he transferred, maybe we'll actually be able to fully clear his name and say actually he just left because he likes Utah in the summer and he decided to go in August 2024 despite the fact that his entire life has been in California. Uh it feels a bit precise to me and we do know that there is this habit of when officers get in trouble, they transfer them out um into other departments.

So, it is definitely what I would assert is a plausibility uh that Alan E. Robertson was involved in something in San Bernardino. We'd like to know more. com.

There's a little pregnancy brain for you. That braided list thing is interesting. You know what I think? I think it's plausible that the person who actually found the screwdriver was Alan Robertson.

But they knew that if this went to trial and Alan Robertson said he found the screwdriver, maybe he's got something in his background that people would go, I don't really know about this witness. It's weird if they won't name him. " Like, that's not I don't like it. I do not like it.

It's um it 29 minutesstands out to me and he looks like he's lying on the stand, you know? He's just sort of like I don't know. I don't know. Like you could find out if I could just do that and go through my photos and find out who was up there on that low sea rooftop.

You certainly could have done that, too. If Ni could go through and find out what was happening, if Muppet Masher could, if online sleuths can, and we don't have access to all of the UVU cameras you have access to, it now starts to feel like you intentionally subtracted that from the story. So, the question is why? Why?

Chapter 4: Update on my security guard who had a stroke in Russia. Why? Why? These military guys, man, I'm feeling all sorts of different ways about the military.

I know people that served in the military are feeling differently. That's why uh they're having issues getting people to sign up no matter how many times Pete Hegsth jogs with them and it's like okay now it's time to die for Israel. People are like I don't know if I want to do that actually. Anyway, I gave you guys um the story a while ago.

I was not in a good place after the Russia trip and I told you about the traumatizing story of what 30 minuteshappened uh to someone on my security detail who had served 12 years. 12 years. Could not get an appointment. is trying to get an appointment for over 5 years to the VA and I'm now going to say fortunately went to Russia with us because we now have an understanding uh that it had to have happened in Russia and uh he had a a very severe stroke, had to have brain surgery to remove the clot in the back of his um head was where his motor skills were and he thought we thought he was going to die.

Uh, I can now say that without tears in my eyes because I saw him yesterday for the first time and the kids were just so thrilled to see him. He's back from Russia and I wanted to give you guys that update because we got so many emails. " which we were all assuming we were going to have to throw in for. It's been taken care of by the Ministry of Health.

Um he said he was sad to leave because these people became like family to him that he had the other military families came to come see him. Russia, I'm talking Russian military, like special forces guys from Russia. Um and when he was, you know, learning to stand, they were rooting for him and cheering for him. And it was just he he specifically said, and I wanted to say this, he had never been treated with so much dignity in his life.

that was he just kept saying that they treated me with so much dignity and when he left the babushkas at the hospital cried and they cried and his wife while she was there because obviously she had nothing to do all day started learning a little bit of Russian uh so she was able to communicate back and forth and so where he's at right now is he is first and foremost I want to let you guys know in tremendous spirits I told you his eyesight came back it's like a miracle once the clot was removed he was wearing glasses now he can see again perfectly his he just looks healthier. His face looks healthier, but obviously he's still got to get his brain to speak to his body. And so my kids were like, "What's wrong with your what's wrong with your arm? What's going on with your legs?

" And he was just, it was just so great for the kids to just be able to ask those questions. And he was just so great about explaining. He was like, you know, I've got these nerves and I've got to teach them again how to they have to be able to connect and that's why it's not easy for me to move my arm. And my son was just so interested in like why he couldn't move his arm [laughter] and he just was just so gracious in just explaining everything.

Kids just, you know, just they're so adaptable. They were just so happy to see him cuz he was such a part of our lives. And so I just felt like, oh, I could breathe again. And then I was just saying to his wife, you have no idea how much we had to think about in those crucial minutes.

And I told him, I we just we thought you were going to die. Like now I can say that we we thought you were going to die. And um anyways, so his next step of his journey is trying to, you know, he's got to do the physical therapy and he's got to get the brain going. And right 33 minutesnow we are trying to there was a foundation that was going to support him going to this institute.

It is Dr. Phil Deffina in particular that he's trying to get into this international institute of brain enhancement that is in Delray, Florida. And I want to use my platform because somebody may be able to help. There may be a charity that can step in and help.

Um it's uh you know it's expensive out of pocket as everything is in America and they are obviously his VA benefits are not going to cover this and he I think he said it's like one month and every single day he can work at it and you know learn to walk again in in like the so he doesn't need support and learn how to use his left hand. And I just wanted to just go out because there's always somebody who watches the show who can um help us get him into this brain enhancement center. Again, this is the International Institute of Brain Enhancement. com.

Um yeah, this is his next step is just uh waking his body back on, getting the nerves back online, and like it is a miracle. He is in I can't say enough. He's in fantastic spirits. He's just like every day working at it as you would expect a Navy Seal to do.

Like, okay, I can do the physical stuff. And um even where he's at right now, the progress of that is already a miracle. So, I did want to update you guys because I we got so many military families who had experienced this and it did not end up as a happy story. And I also just want to say thank you Russia again to the Russian Ministry of Health.

I did not know until yesterday that you guys paid for the entire bill. So, thank you guys. Okay, moving on. And but also in the exact same vein talking about, Chapter 5: US Military asks for ideas to punish Iran.

you know, just this sort of military people don't want to sign up anymore. Good. You shouldn't. You'd be better off learning how to hunt and shoot and serving your communities.

Obviously, Trump does not care about you, your life. And if you give them 12 years, good luck getting an appointment at the VA. I think that's how we all feel. Uh we signaled strongly you did not want to go to the Iran war.

If only Trump had listened uh to Charlie Kirk. um and instead looking the other way when there are a lot of shitty things that happened with his assassination. But CNN came out today with just it's an incredible headline that the US military is now asking troops for creative and unconventional ideas to punish Iran. The request came from a senior officer at the US military command carrying out President Donald Trump's war with Iran came in an email that they are looking for new creative and unconventional ways to pressure and punish Iran.

They got their hands in this email. An officer in the US Central Commands intelligence branch, if we're still calling it intelligence, wrote in a message that was sent on Wednesday to a broad group of military analysts, according to a source that was familiar with the message. A second source also said that a senior US military officer sent the message last week soliciting new ideas for how to deal with Iran. They're crowdsourcing ideas because we're losing and we're losing because Trump is stupid because Trump is listening to his adviserss.

Has no common sense. Clearly has no concept himself of just common sense foreign policy. Listened to a pitch by BBNet and Yahoo saying we can take Persia in a week. Yeah, you know that empire that's just been around just been around a very long time.

I can do it in a week. All you have to do is side with me and the pedophile class. And Trump said, "That sounds like a good idea. " And then well, and then I'll help you get into Spain, too.

Like everyone knows that's just like Israel doing that. And Trump is now going, "Wow, we really can't do that. We can't take Iran. We've beat Iran about 55 times um according to Trump's tweets.

Uh, and yet we haven't beat Iran and now they're messaging and asking for creative ideas. So, I would like to put something in the suggestion box. Um, admit you were wrong, apologize, uh, remove our ties from Israel, stop funding that demonic, pedophilic state of Bal, uh, close the chapter on that, and try actually being the president of the United States for like a day. we get a day as opposed to the president of Israel.

Can we get like a day? Um, honestly, my honest opinion with the way that you have betrayed Charlie, I I couldn't care less what happens to Trump. I I think he's an absolute I hate everything about him. I I know hate is a very strong word, but Charlie spent his entire life trying to elect the very people into power who are allowing this farce to go on.

Uh, and we know that Charlie was the first casualty of the Iranian war. He was in the way. He was in the way. And now we have his organization telling us they don't know.

Uh actually Blake, I think said Charlie would support Trump with the Iran war. He would support him. Okay. Erica said we don't he's not here to tell us what he would think.

All we have are old clips. And you know what? She was right about that. We do have old clips.

I saw some of this going around on Instagram. Take a listen. Yeah. I know to answer your question, my husband isn't here to say whether or not we should be at war with the wrong.

I would love for him to be here right now and to tell us if we should or should not. I would love it. I miss his voice more than anyone in this world. And you know, it's frustrating when you have people speaking for him.

I can have a sentiment for that. But thank the good Lord that we have a bunch of his videos that we can look back on. But I can say concretely here is where I stand. We do not want US boots on the ground.

We do not want American kinetic involvement. Make sure we don't go to war against Iran, which would be a profound mistake for our country. So that that's a really really important thing. It's pathologically insane.

I'm sorry. It is. Don't think we should bomb Iranian nuclear facilities. I just don't.

My whole life I've been told that Iran is getting a bomb. Iran is getting a bomb. Iran is getting a bomb. Iran is getting a nuclear bomb.

And yet here in 2025, they do not have a nuclear bomb. So why should we trust the American intelligence without verifying it? This is Israel's war. The worst possible case scenario is Iran says, "Okay, you humiliated us.

You killed all of our leaders. " And I think it's long past time that our leaders would start to prioritize the well-being of our own citizens, not those of foreign nations. This is more of Israel pushing for Iran. But is that America's problem?

That's a qu I mean maybe the answer is yes. Maybe the answer is you know what they were wrong about Iraq. They were wrong about Syria. They were wrong about Afghanistan.

They were wrong about the Taliban. They were wrong about Libya. They were wrong about the Arab Spring. They were wrong about Yemen.

They were wrong about the Arabian Peninsula. They were wrong about the 911 hijackers being Saudi Arabian. But hey, 10th times a charm. This time we're actually right.

Yeah. I think he was pretty clear on what he thought about war with Iran. Pathologically insane is exactly what it is. Pathologically insane to accept this narrative of Charlie's assassination uh being done at the hands of a trans furry who it turns out is not trans and um they can't even prove was on campus that day.

Pathologically insane to think that Turning Point USA is acting in good faith. Pathologically insane to believe a single word that comes out of Erica Kirk's mouth. She has not fought at all for her husband. My Charlie, my Charlie, except when it comes providing basic details that she would have access to.

Pathologically insane to believe that if she was telling the truth, she would need to invite influencers to court. Pathologically insane to still be supporting this administration, following or listening to any person who is a Zionist and is still standing behind these ball worshippers who keep sacrificing innocent children and innocent lives so they expand their empire. Lastly, pathologically insane to still be a white person in Europe, not realizing they've been eradicating your 41 minutesrace and doing it through means of deception, as is the MSAD motto, blaming the Arabs as they finance campaigns for them to run over borders in territories that Israel is bombing for Israel's expansion. They are expanding their empire.

They do not view themselves to be your race. They do not like you. They do not like your faith. And you keep thinking it's the Muslims.

All of it is pathologically insane in my view. But what do I know? We'll be right back after a break.

Chapter 6: Comments. Okay. Top comments from last episode, last week's episode. " Oh, there will be consequences.

There are consequences right now. You can see it. They're all, like I said, they lost their glow. I've never seen happier people than at Charlie's Memorial.

And now they're angry and they're lashing out. And like I said, that is a life sentence when the entire world knows what you are and what you are doing and that you are deceitful. I mean, look at Andrew Kovat. He went from like trying to be the like Beus and Buttad show, trying to be polished and open.

Now they're just like lashing out and crazy and turning into like they're all acting like Laura Loomer and they're working with these people as well. And it's it's You have to understand it's so much bigger what Charlie has exposed to the world. Think about the fact that in Iran they're making Lego videos talking about the Epstein class, talking about uh Charlie's assassination. The world is united in understanding what happened here.

The world. So we're not even looking at people when they're trying to give us the slop and they want more war and look this is what's happening in Spain and Morocco and here's why you should care and Russia is awful and Ukraine is great. It's not landing the same. The trick was always in the illusion.

and the illusion has now collapsed and the people have never been more united. So, uh, be positive like I have a very positive perspective about everything and I there there's going to be consequences. Keep telling you guys that. Jessica Tambber writes, "I cannot comprehend the amount of evil that took place that day.

Like I said, I have I just have so much that has to wait for the right time for us to share. And I also want to allow your brain to process the micro before we even get to the macro. I uh will assert over and over again Charlie was betrayed and we are completely being lied to and people in his inner core and circle are a part and parcel of those lies. They are the creator of those lies, perpetuators of some of those lies and they will be exposed.

They will be exposed and they know. Come on. That's why they're um they're lashing out. They absolutely know it.

We are just staying on top of them. Comments from today's episode. " And the guards will then start looking for Andrew Kovette, the squishallow. The incident of Louise and her Squishallow just before bed every night.

Just I don't know where that thing goes. com. " Yes, we are all united in this and send us We're piecing it all together. It's all coming.

Um, and the picture is revealing itself. Ali writes, "Let's assume for a moment that Tyler did it. I don't want to hear anyone say that we've been unfair to Erica or TPUSA. We don't care if they think Tyler did it.

" That was in the beginning actually of this investigation. And I had to contend with that. " Nope. We got nothing.

Nada. We did not have to recant on even one statement that we had made previously. And um that's not good. You shouldn't need influencers at court.

You just shouldn't be calling people up and asking them to come to court. And so, yeah, I would agree that no matter what, they have betrayed Charlie. But I think that they're lying about what happened on that day. That's the other thing.

I think we've proven that they've told lies about uh what happened on that day. Or I guess rather they're having faulty memories. They haven't told the whole truth. Maybe the truth, but not the whole truth about what happened on that day.

And they haven't been forthcoming. And there's no reason there's absolutely no reason that their instinct when things are uncovered is to dispute it, to try to explain it away. I mean this recent video that I revealed that's the 4K video. Now they're moving the goalpost and they're like well we meant there was 4K video of him else where you you said literally the words that came out of your mouth was it was 4K footage of him taking the shot.

Now you're suddenly like think you're going to men and black us and just we forgot what you said and it's like no we just meant that like other parts there was 4K footage of the like the bush outside or there was 4K footage of like Loy Center like no said Tyler killed him. You are condemning this man and claiming that you have the footage to be able to do that and you won't show that to the public. That's silly. Why not get the public on your side immediately release it?

Makes no sense. Um, Dagy, am I saying that right? Dag de Jen. Okay.

$50 for the swear jar. I did not swear. You're forgiven because we love you. I did not swear.

Run the tape back some. Oh, producer wrote a note. I did not hear any swear words. I knew I didn't swear.

Maybe you said a lot of shady stuff and he thought he heard you say a lot of sword stuff. Thank you. Thank you, producer that put that note. Team Candace, no swear jar for me.

Well, I'll um thank you for the donation. " Um that's a donation. Thank you from Sweden. Wow.

Uh yeah, everywhere. It's just everywhere. They can't stop killing people. And it's just so crazy that these Zionist Christian influencers are like, "God will bless you if you bless murderers and rapists.

" The grift is over. I don't want to hear from Christian Zionists. Shh, we're so bored. We see you for what you are.

Okay, you guys support people who sacrifice children to Bal. These are demons. And there's no enough of of gripure, which I'm going to call it's not even scripture. It's grier.

And they just find something and try to tell you, well, look the other way. It's not happening. It's happening everywhere. They take Spain.

They're coming for other territories in Europe. Mark my words. and Trump is going to allow it because well there's somebody in those files and there's some videos that exist that have allowed him to be completely run over by the Epstein files. That was when the change happened.

The internet is not real rights. Happy Monday, Blakey Pooh. Yes, happy Monday, Blakey. I didn't even address you today.

How you doing, Blakey? Blakey, by the way, we did find out what hotel um TPUSA staff stayed into at Andrew Kovat and everybody else. Um uh so you know we can we can tell you that tomorrow but um I don't know where you are Blakey. I don't know if you stayed with them.

That's what we're trying to get to the bottom of. Did you stay in the same hotel as Andrew Kovet and co Patricia writes you are a true warrior for warrior for Charlie and he would be so proud of you. We love you. Keep going back.

We don't believe the fed slop. Nobody believes the fed slop. Thank you Patricia because they're asking us to be stupid and we would rather not do that if that's cool. Jen Common writes, "Thank you to the only true friend that CK ever had.

Everyone should be so lucky to have a Candace in their lives. Keep going, Max. " Indeed. Indeed.

Um, [snorts] yeah. I mean, that comments for today. Uh, obviously, if you guys like to support our show, you can head to the website, get some merch. It's the easiest way to keep us independent.

Um, and buy a stand cup. You know, you like that light blue version. It's so pretty. Every time I see it, I'm just surprised by how beautiful.

It gets more beautiful every time I see it. It's like my daughter. I ask her every morning. " So, it's pretty simple.

And so, I sleep I sleep enough, I think, but she's a lot prettier than me. My daughter is very, very pretty. And that's why if you want to look pretty like Louise, sleep a lot, and make sure Jesus loves you. com, buy some merch and a t-shirt and the glow up will happen automatically.

" Because it's like they're actually everything they told you in the commercial wasn't true. Okay, if you buy a t-shirt, you may not be more beautiful, but you'll be supporting me and that means a lot. Love you guys so much. Love you.

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Part 1 of 2

Was Utah State University the Backup Plan? - Ep 154
Baron Coleman
Aug 3, 2026

We take a look at Officer Bagley's testimony, his body worn camera footage, and whether Utah State University was the backup plan?

We also take a look at the overtly violent rhetoric coming from a TPUSA Christian leader.



Search transcript Chapter 1: Intro All right, guys. Welcome in. Welcome in. Welcome in.

We've got a lot to cover today. I hope you uh uh have enjoyed your I don't even know if it's an afternoon off or a day off or whatever from uh your humble host, but he he's back. He's back. Um if you were like me, you watched the Julian Dory interview.

I I wanted to see it. Uh he was posting several clips of it. I said, "All right, all right. " I don't love watching myself on camera, certainly.

Um but um I thought I thought it came out all right. He is um in his prime. He's in his prime. He reminds me of a a younger Joe Rogan uh but more fearless at his age than Joe was uh when he was just a few years into it.

So if you hadn't checked it out, I think he linked it as a collab link. So you'll be able to I think find it through my channel, but if not, go to his channel. Uh you can find it there as well. We have a tremendous amount to cover and it is what a kinky dink.

We were going to talk about Officer Bagley today and Candace talked about Officer Bagley today and she gave us a great piece of intel um that we were going to look at. We're going to take a look at this during the show because it plays nicely into my theory that there was a backup plan in place and I think I can prove it. I think I can prove it. Um and I think what happened um at UVU sort of and what she covered tonight sort of exposes what the backup plan was.

So, we will get to that. Um, I'm going to when I open tonight, I'm going to get into it's a little cap and gowny for the open and I want to give a disclaimer. I'm well aware of all the conspiracy theories that surround what we're going to talk about. I'm very well aware of them, but I wrote the open down the middle because I don't want people to lose the broader point if I go into some of the conspiracy angles of what we're talking about.

" I know. I know what the real reasons were. Trust me. Uh, but I didn't want to get so far off base in talking about it that that we lose the point I was trying to make.

And the point is in the conclusion of the open. So, bear with me as we go through sort of the mainstream narrative of this particular event. Uh, I think it has a lot of application to what we're going to talk about tonight in terms of a potential backup plan. We also return to some of the original police radio tonight.

We're going to look at some of the radio calls about some items that were found, jackets, gloves, hats, all that kind of stuff. Uh, because we now find a little more detail in um in what we uh what we're what we're looking for. a little more detail that might cause us to ask who's exactly was that stuff again because we looked around and don't find what what is alleged to have been found. Um, and we also are going to take a look at Christian pastors wishing violence upon podcasters.

Doesn't sound very Christian to me. Doesn't sound very pastor-like or whatever he is. I'm not sure if he's a pastor. Calls himself a theologian or apologetics person or I'm not sure what he calls himself.

It's Frank Turk. What a turd. Like I I don't know any other way to say it. The man is just a turd.

Uh anyone who will walk around in public with those glasses on is suspect right out of the gate. No offense if you have a pair of those, but you you constantly look like you're just coming home from the shooting range. You're a little weird. I mean, that's all there is to it.

You're just a little weird. If you you know, um I don't know any other way to say it, right? " Right? What what's what's happening?

Um it's it's not unlike Well, I don't want to say that. Um it's weird. It's just weird. That's all there is to it.

So, we will take a quick look at that. We're also going to dig into some of the testimony Officer Baggley gave about his body worn camera footage. We've done a little additional investigation. we found the precise model he was using.

We've seen what should have happened and we'll talk about it and we'll ask did that happen or did they just trim the footage out and hide it because frankly I think that's what happened. So, uh, let's get into it. I'm going to start with the open again. Again, ladies and gentlemen, please please understand that I Oh.

Oh, one more thing. One more thing. Some of you must be new. I cough a lot.

Um, at at Julian's place, I didn't have my mute button. I have one here. It's a cough button. Um, I don't have that there.

And so, you guys got to hear me hack around a little bit uh on his show, but a lot of you notice I do. And inevitably, I get emails, I don't want to say daily, but a lot about, oh, is he taking an ACE inhibitor? Oh, is he taking Leinipro? I take no medicine relative to blood pressure.

I just cough. I just cough. I have a terrible cough. I've had it for going on 46 years.

All right. So, I hacked all through elementary school and middle school and high school and college and law school and all through my career. I'm sorry if it annoys people. I can't help that.

Um, but I don't need advice relative to it. Um, with with respect to whether or not I'm taking um some sort of of blood pressure medicine. I can assure you my blood pressure is spectacular. It's real and it's spectacular.

All right? And that's all I'm going to say about it. It's all I'm going to say about it. Um, I want to get into this open though because it's I don't know how lengthy it is, but it's Chapter 2: Opening Statement - The First Victim of World War I it's it's meaty.

It's meaty. U, but I think it's a fun little trip through a story. Obviously, serious historians are are well aware of the arguments with this uh about what happened. A lot of amateur historians are not.

A lot of amateur uh people just out there walking around are not particularly well-versed in what kicked off World War I. Um, and I want to talk about it because I think, believe it or not, the kicking off of World War I has application to the death of Charlie Kirk. I want you to listen to this story. " But in order to get there, we got to go all the way back to the earliest part early part of the 20th century.

Uh, we've got to look at Europe. What was Europe like in the earliest earliest part of the 20th century? Uh, it was it was simmering tensions everywhere you looked. It was a continent full of simmering tensions.

There was this balance of power and it was it was precarious. It was very poorly constructed and it rested on things like militarism uh imperial ambition and there was this series of rigid alliance systems that had formed particularly around Germany. Uh Ottovon Bismar and his attempt to to structure Germany together um in the late 19th century really put a weird alliance over the continent. And so by the time World War I came around, the major powers had really divided into two opposing camps.

There was the triple alliance of Germany. And this was Germany, Austria, Hungary, and Italy. So you have, you know, kind of in in a row right in the middle of the continent. And then on the other side, you had the triple on taunt of France, Russia, and Britain.

So sort of the periphery of Europe. So you had the center of Europe and the periphery of Europe. And it led to an arms race. Uh there were massive investments in things like armies and navies.

People were building boats. I mean they were planting forests in order to build boats 20 years from now. Add to that you had colonial rivalries in Africa and Asia. This was the era of colonialism or the the kind of the tail end of colonialism.

Uh but this there was a lot of mutual suspicion about who's who's putting uh uh colonies where and why are you putting there? Are you challenging us? are you building up something to challenge us? And and and nationalism.

This was the beginning of sort of the nationalist movement. And it just was surging everywhere you looked. And it was nowhere more explosive than in the Balkans. And you guys know that because we are huge in the Balkans.

Huge in the Balkans. And you guys play a central role here. Um the Balkans had been dominated by the Ottomans for a long time, but the the Ottomans were in sunset. They were declining.

And so you have Balkan wars 1912 1913 and it had pretty dramatically reshaped the map. Serbia sort of emerged as the larger power. They were more confident and they were determined to unite all the southern Slavic people. So the Serves uh the Croats, the Slavines and there were others but those are kind of the big groups.

And it basically functioned as a greater Serbia or a broader Yugoslav state. AustriaHungary was a multithnic dual monarchy. It's quite unlike what was going on in the Balkans. It was ruled by the Hapsburgs and had been for a long time.

Uh and most importantly for this point, it viewed Serbia's ambition as an existential threat. The empire had had already struggled to manage their diverse populations. Again, Germans, Hungarians, Cexs, Poles, even some Slavs. By 1908, it had formally annexed Bosnia, Herzuggavina.

This was a territory they had been in charge of for like three decades, maybe four, three or four decades. And the annexation rightly outraged the Serbian nationalists because they saw Bosnia and its Serb population is sort of rightfully theirs. I if you're if you're Serbian, you should join us and and not not join uh uh the the Hungarians and the Germans. And in the midst of all this, you have Russia.

Russia is the self-proclaimed protector of the Slavs. So Russia naturally backed Serbia. And Germany naturally stood behind its ally Austria uh AustriaHungary. And this is the charged atmosphere.

You've got all these things going on. And this is the char very charged atmosphere within which frankly pretty radical groups began flourishing. Uh there was a group called Young Bosnia. It was a a network of pretty idealistic students, but there were some revolutionaries in their midst and they wanted to overthrow the Hapsburgs.

Um even through violence if necessary, but they they preferred propaganda and and political might. But closely linked to young Bosnia was a group called Black Hand. And Blackhand was not mild by any stretch of the imagination. They were a secret society founded in Serbia back in 1911.

They were led by the head of the Serban Serbian military intelligence. And the Blackhand's explicit goal was liberation and unification of Serbs by any means necessary, even violence, maybe especially violence. Its members trained in things like terrorism. They supplied weapons to groups in the area.

And and for these nationalists, there was a guy who was sort of the ideal uh figure to oppose. It was his name was Archduke France Ferdinand. He was the heir to the Austrohungarian throne and he was the embodiment of this oppressive imperial order that they felt like was oppressing them and pushing them down, keeping them down. Well, Ferdinand planned to visit Sievo on June 28th of 1914.

It was the anniversary of a battle of Kosovo back in 1389. Talk about people not letting things go. Uh that was Serbia's defeat, historic defeat by the Ottomans and it was seen by these radical groups as a very deliberate provocation that he would come there on that day. Some of them also feared that Ferdinand's ideas for re reforming the empire into a more federal structure might co-opt these South Slav loyalties and they might block Serbian expansion.

So killing him was sort of a two-fold result. It would block um you know Hapsburg authority, but it would also be a symbolic revenge. It had a very deep symbolic purpose. But the plot to kill him began coming together long before June 28th when he decided to visit it.

It started being put together in the spring, the spring of 1914. There was a 19-year-old kid named Gavillo Princip. He was a Bosnian Serbian student. He was uh of poor health, but he had very fierce conviction.

He read newspaper reports of the Archduke's forthcoming inspection of military maneuvers in Bosnia. So, he decided to travel to Belgrade with a couple of friends. And there he got in touch with Blackhand contacts who provided them firearms, bombs, pistols, and even cyanide capsules so that after the deed was done, they could, you know, not be captured. There were even local handlers there.

They kind of helped the guys sneak across the border undetected. But once they were in Syri Sievo, the group's organizer recruited additional conspirators. And so the group sort of grew a little bit. And on the day of the big event, they sort of spread themselves out along an announced motorcade route.

And on the morning of June 28th, France Ferdinand and his wife Sophie, they arrived and their car was open. Kind of like John F. Kennedy's was. They arrived in an open car.

It was part of a six vehicle procession that was going to ride through a a previously advertised procession route. Security was obviously very light for some reason, but they, you know, because they had published the the uh route, they knew where to stand. It came time for the first assassin to to do his deed. Well, he lost his nerve.

He just didn't do his job. And so, there was a backup plan. There was a second assassin. So he steps forward.

He strikes the detonator of his bomb on a lamp post and he tosses it towards the car. Unlucky for him, but lucky for the archduke. The bomb bounces off the car and it explodes under the following vehicle. It wounded some officers and bystanders, but the royal couple themselves, Ferdinand and Sophie, uh were unscathed.

They weren't hurt. They weren't injured in any way. So the guy who threw the bomb, uh it didn't work out for him. He swallowed his cyanid pill and jumped into a river.

Unfortunately, the river was very shallow, so he didn't drown and the cyanide pill just made him vomit. It didn't actually kill him. So, he was beaten and arrested. Not a good day for that guy.

But the motorcade speeds off towards city hall and the remaining conspirators, including Princip, they sort of watched their chance slip away. They thought, "Oh man, we missed it. Here was our chance to take him out and we lost. " But at the reception, the arch duke did something weird.

he decides to just go forward with the plan, go forward with the program. " And then afterwards, he said, "Why don't we go visit the wounded in the hospital? " So, they decided to go to the hospital, but the but on the return route, they said, "Let's go a different direction. " Unfortunately, that change wasn't communicated very well.

It did not get passed down to all of the drivers. Ferdinand was, I think, in the second car. The lead car turns the wrong way, goes back down the original route and the Archduke's vehicle follows right behind. Someone realizes the error.

" They start pushing the car back. Back then, cars didn't have reverse, so the car stalls out. But it stalled out, as fate would have it, directly in front of Princeip, the 19-year-old kid of poor health but fierce conviction. He'd kind of stayed near his original position on the original route.

Well, he sees the moment. He drew his pistol, fired a couple of shots from just a few feet away. Uh, one struck Sophie in the abdomen. The other hit uh France Ferdinand in the neck.

It severed a major artery and he bled out and died. Both of them died. Of course, Princip was immediately grabbed. He was immediately taken into custody.

But the pretty carefully planned assassination had almost collapsed. But then there was this comedy of errors. There was this cascade of failures. And by pure chance, they had the opportunity to pull it off.

Locally, the murder was an outrage. Obviously, you don't want public officials dying in your town. But nothing about it should have kicked off a global war. But it did because the diplomatic machinery of Europe transformed it into a continental catastrophe.

AustriaHungary became determined to crush the Serbs. They wanted to crush Serbian nationalism once and for all. They'd already viewed it as an existential threat. Now, one of the heirs to the throne had been killed and they were angry.

So, they immediately went to Germany and looked for German backing. And Kaiser Wilhelm II issued a famous blank check and he promised unconditional support. Well, that's that's all the rest of the continent needed. Austria, Hungary was pretty emboldened by this German support.

So, they drafted a harsh, very harsh ultimatum and delivered it to Serbia. And it demanded a few things. One was a u a suppression of anti-ostustrian propaganda. Easy enough, right?

They wanted a dissolution of all these secret nationalist societies. Uh, all right. All right. Fine.

But most critically, they demanded Austrio Hung Hungarian participation in the judicial investigation that was taking place on Serbian soil. So Serbia accepted most of the points, but they rejected that final one and the basis that it infringed on their sovereignty. And pretty quickly, just within a couple of days, Austria broke diplomatic relations. And on July 28th, they declared war and immediately began shelling Belgrade.

It was like their dream. They'd been wanting to do it and they finally got the opportunity. and the excuse to do it. Well, in comes Russia.

Russia feels trapped, at least bound. They have this Slavic solidarity thing going on. And so it or it ordered a mobilization, but really only a partial mobilization. They just wanted to kind of get Austria to knock it off.

But Germany wasn't amused. And they viewed the Russian mobilization as a real direct threat. So they declared war on Russia. All of a sudden, you're you have like a multiffront war going on.

not content with just declaring war on Russia. They actually look the other way and declare war on France two days later. So you have now Austria, Hungary, and Germany have declared war on everybody. German troops immediately invade Belgium.

Belgium was neutral, but they want to get through Belgium to kind of outflank the French. And England, for its most part, was committed to Belgian neutrality. There was a treaty that required them to respect their neutrality and come to their aid if it was ever violated. England also kind of wanted to to deter German domination of the whole continent.

So they declared war on Germany. That was just the next day, August 4th. So within weeks, this alliance system had dragged nearly every great European power into this huge total war. And think about it's just a simple little assassination of a kid, a an heir to the throne, not even a head of state in the Balkans of all places.

And it launched the First World War. And the first world war was horrific. It was a total war. It would claim millions of lives.

It brought down four empires. It reshaped the entire modern world. Everything you know about today's world can go back to that war. So the shots fired in Sievo didn't necessarily make a total continental war inevitable, but they exposed and activated these really rigid structures that all these different um alliances caused these heightened mutual suspicions.

They ultimately triggered a willingness to risk catastrophe because this catastrophe, this risk, this willingness to accept that risk had sort of accumulated across Europe for a long time, decades really. So, it wasn't really a backup plan. But the fact that Princip was there to get a second shot at taking out the arch duke kind of brought to my mind the exposure last week by Nissi Social of who was on the roof with officer Bagley. Candace talked about it tonight.

very fortunate timing. And the officer's name was Alan Robertson. Allan Robertson is an officer with Utah State University, not Utah Valley University. Utah State University is on the other side of Salt Lake City.

It's way up north. Uh Utah Valley is kind of in the middle of everything. It's just kind of down by Provo, you know, an hour or so south of Salt Lake. Utah State's way up there.

What the hell's this guy doing there? Why is he in plain clothes? And why is he on the roof? So tonight, we're going to look at what that might mean in terms of a backup plan for ensuring the removal of Charlie Kirk.

And just to keep this analogy of World War I as tight as possible, a lot of people look back and consider Archduke Ferdinand the first casualty of World War I. Well, it just might turn out that Charlie Kirk was the first casualty of World War II. So, we're going to take a look at that tonight. I hope you uh are buckled up as we go through it because I've long wondered why so many of the events when they first kicked off this tour were just right there next to each other.

Two of them in the state of Utah. Utah's I mean population wise not very big. U and then there was some Colorado stuff right there. We'll go back and look at the beginning part of the tour.

We have an archive link that'll show us where everything was and what events were supposed to be taking place. It'll be an interesting little gander. Uh, but before we get there, I want to real Chapter 3: Frank Turek's Deeply Dark and Disturbing Diatribe quickly I want to real quickly just launch into this total chaos that is enveloping the Christian community that surrounds TPUSA. Um, they sound bloodthirsty.

They sound rabid. They sound like a a wounded animal that is for some reason unable to contain their own angst and hate and and disgust. Frankly, I don't quite understand it. You know, if you disagree with somebody, a lot of times the best thing to do is sort of give them a little space, let them vent for a little while and see how it goes.

Particularly when you disagree with someone over something that we're going to find out in in the end, right? At some point, there will be a judicial determination. And in all likelihood, there'll be some kind of a judicial determination over who who killed Charlie Kirk. If you think Tyler Robinson did it and you think um uh that's kind of cut and dry, then why do you care if Candace was looking at other uh alternatives for Frank Turk?

He really cares. I'm going to play a really short clip tonight. Just very short clip. It's been making the rounds on social media, but I have strong opinions on this.

Here's Frank Turk. He's the guy in the shooting glasses on the left. Um, the scared-l looking fellow on the right is another guy. I don't even know who that is.

Um, but listen to what he has to say real quickly about Candace Owens and ask yourself, what is he really calling for? What is he really wanting to accomplish here? That's what Satan does. In fact, what did um what do the apostles and Jesus call Satan?

He's a murderer, a liar, an accuser, a slanderer who wants to steal, kill, and destroy. Charlie was murdered. What have we had since then? Lies, accusations, and slander seeking to kill, steal, and destroy.

We're steal, kill, and destroy. This is spiritual warfare. This is demonic activity. I'll pause right there.

I don't mind that he has that opinion. I don't mind that he has that opinion. And if he strongly, vehemently disagrees with Candace Owens on her approach to covering this case or anyone else who's who's covering this case, okay, that's great. Um, if you want to speak out against it, that's fine.

Uh, do so responsibly because speech matters. Listen to where he goes. Listen to where he takes this. Yeah.

I'm talking about Candace Owens. Yeah. Yeah. It's It's ridiculous.

You don't accuse people of murder without evidence. But who has she accused of murder without evidence? That's what I don't understand. And they always say this.

They say this, but they but they never stop and provide a citation to the record. It happens to me a lot. " Okay, we'll point to it. If I made that claim and you disagree with it and you can convince me otherwise, I'll be happy to offer a a a correction.

But but short of that, that's sort of defamation. If you if if Frank Turk is running around saying Candace Owens is accusing people of murdering Charlie Kirk, who who when? What episode? What line?

When did she say this? That's what she's doing left and right. She and she's doing it left and right. She's not just doing it.

She didn't just do it one time. She didn't do it in passing. This is a continual ongoing habit of hers. This is what Frank Turk's position is.

I would argue that's dishonest. I would argue that's just blatantly dishonest. It's just not true. It's factless.

It is a lie. It's defamatory. It's satanic. In the words of Frank Turk, it is satanic.

He's accusing a woman of accusing people of of murder, and she's not doing that. She's just not doing that. And no matter how many times they say, So, you have to ask yourself, why is he telling people she's doing this? What goal is he trying to accomplish?

He's about to tell us. He's going to let us know. He's insinuating it left and right. That's evil.

" It Frank, is that what you want? Is that what you want? A little Old Testament justice, a little a little preJesus justice in your life. Is that where we're going with this?

And if it's not, why are you citing it? Isn't that very st? Think about that. If that's not what he's calling for, if he's not calling for Candace Owen to be taken out, why cite this passage?

Why cite this passage? Has anyone called that I'm aware of, I don't believe Candace ever has, for harm to befall Erica Kirk? I certainly have not. I don't want harm to befall anybody.

I'm a pacifist at heart. I don't want anybody harmed. I don't think Candace has. In fact, recently she said, "If I've ever been misinterpreted as saying that, then uh let me be clear.

Long live Erica Kirk. Long live Dr. Erica Kirk. " I don't know anyone using this sort of violent rhetoric on their on on what our side.

I don't know anyone who who is investigating this who is calling for death. Only Frank Turk so far is the only public figure I'm aware of that's actively calling or actively invoking passages that suggest the proper punishment for a podcaster who's covering this case is death. Only Frank Turk. He's the only one.

And it's out of bounds, Frank. It's out of bounds. It is disgusting. It is absolutely horrific.

I don't know what to do about it. I don't know if I'm Candace Owens how you handle this, but when you're when you're citing Old Testament religious punishments that are basically I will take you out with a sword if you do X, Y, and Z. And then he's saying and she's doing X, Y, and Z. What about the people who only believe in the Old Testament, Frank?

You know, there's some of those out there. There are a lot that frankly they're some of them are pretty powerful. Some of them are pretty connected. Some of them have podcasts of their own.

[laughter] It's reckless what this guy's saying. Deuteronomy 19 in the Old Testament economy says if you accuse somebody falsely of a crime and you're found out, you get the penalty of that crime. So if you falsely accuse someone of murder and you're found out, you're the one executed. Guys, this is bonkers.

This is bonkers. Particularly when you realize that Candace Owens ha differs with a lot of people who only believe in the Old Testament. She has different political positions, pretty strong disagreements, frankly, with people who don't, you know, their Bible doesn't turn the page and go to Matthew 1:1. It stops at the right before there, but Habach or whatever's there at the end of the Old Testament, one of those minor prophets.

That's where their Bible ends. That's where their scriptures end. " A, she's not, but she's doing this. That's what Frank says.

And you Old Testament people, you know what to do. You know how to handle this. Uh Frank, this is out of bounds. This This is unacceptable.

This is a level of desperation I didn't know they had in their heart. This is a level of desperation from the TPUSA affiliated entities, including Frank Turk, that I don't think um they anticipated getting to this point. I really don't. I I think I think these guys thought that that this was going to be put to bed.

There wasn't going to be a 10 and a half month investigation. They're melting down. I mean, I I would go I would I think you could fairly fairly characterize that as saying Frank Turk is trying to activate I this is my opinion, but it sounds to me like Frank is trying to activate Old Testament people to remove Candace. And I think that needs to be addressed first.

Frank, if you're going to say that, you better be able to cite your source about where Candace has said that repeatedly left and right. That's what you're saying that she says this left and right all the time. You should be able to site your sources. You should, if she's saying it left and right, that's at least twice.

Let's say maybe five times, 10 times, 20. Left and right seems pretty persistent to me. Uh, he should be able to get on Twitter or go on a podcast and say, "Here are the times she said it. " And he should be able to go right down and and quote her words.

If he's not able to do that, he's an admitted liar. He's an admitted liar. What's the Old Testament solution for that, Frankie? [laughter] What do we get to do?

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. I would never. I would never. I would never, never, never, never.

" Death finality by a sword. That's terrifying. Frank Turk is a monster. I I believe that Frank Turk is a monster.

He has a very dark spirit. A very dark spirit. And I'll go one step further. Anyone who will lie like that, that blatantly, anyone who will lie like that, and who will [snorts] call basically to have Candace Owens dealt with on Old Testament legal grounds would participate in the death of Charlie Kirk.

I I mean I I think it's possible. I I every time these guys speak, I think, man, maybe they did do it. I don't know what he did. I I have no opinion on that.

But every time that happens, Frank, every time you do this, I start looking at you pull pulling on your bill just a little tighter. I start looking at your changing stories about did I give CPR, did I not give CPR, I look at it a little closer, Frankie, every time you go down this road, every time you get dark and and Old Testamenty, I start wondering, did you kill Charlie Kirk? Were you involved? Is that why you were sent there the days before?

To keep him occupied, to keep him distracted? Is that why you were there the day of? Is that why Butch Hibbs was there with you? I start wondering these things.

I don't know the answer to that. I really don't have an opinion on, but it's hard not to speculate when this is where they go. If I'm Candace Owens, am I scared by what's happening in this podcast? Am I scared?

Well, maybe a little, frankly. Maybe a little. He just accused her of something that would invoke the death penalty in the Old Testament. He's well aware that there are millions of people in this c in this world in this country in this world whose belief system stops with the Old Testament.

That's their scripture. That's their law. He's telling them they have to do it. That's dark, guys.

That is dark. And if he wasn't intending to do that, Frank is reckless and dumb and stupid. He is so low IQ. He has no idea what he's doing.

He owes her an apology if he if honestly I I believe this if he is unable to come up with left and right examples of Candace Owens accusing Erica Kirk of killing Charlie Kirk. I mean yeah if he's unable to come up with this he owes her an apology. And Frank, I know you were bashing Catholicism. You need to go to confession.

Big me. You don't want to go to a Catholic priest. Go to somebody. Talk talk this out brother.

You do not need to keep this bottled up. It is hurting your soul. It's hurting your spirit. It's very uncristlike.

Very uncristlike to the point I cannot imagine a human being going to you for spiritual direction and guidance. Period. End of story. I don't want to go on and on about it, but I I have to draw attention to it because I don't think people are taking this seriously enough.

I see a lot of people joking about it and laughing about it on X. There's nothing funny about it. There's nothing funny about it. When you're dealing with millions of people, there's an inevitability that a small percentage of them are going to act on the reckless things you're saying, Frank.

And you've got to stop that. You keep using these little pet lines because you think you're sharp and you think you're funny. You're not. You're dangerous.

You're dark. You have a very dark spirit, a very dark soul. One might argue satanic. if this is what you want to see happen and you should repent, turn around.

You owe her an apology, a personal apology. You should call her an apologize and then you should go public after you do. Then you could say, "I never intended it to come across that way. If you guys interpret it that way, please no.

We do not need any more harm to befall anyone at all. Stop it. Everybody, just stop it. Back up.

" All right. Chapter 4: Officer Bagley's Body Camera Battery (Alleged) Bull Butter Um, I want to go to We now have a description of the jacket that was found. We now have a description of the jacket that was found. Um, you guys are going to see kind of a boring little screen here because this is the way we do it around here, ladies and gentlemen.

You're going to see a boring little screen. Uh, there's been a lot of discussion over the jacket that was found by the bus stop, whether it was taken for DNA testing, who stopped the DNA testing. We'll get into all that in just a second. Um, but Daisy was pouring over uh radio chatter listening to see if she could find the discovery of the jacket.

And she has, ladies and gentlemen, she has. So, we shall listen to it here in real time from have a jacket located at a bus stop on campus drive. We also found one vehicle had a can in the back of it. Nothing else.

47. Um, the jacket looks like it's gray plaid. That one I'll be back. So, we've got a gray plaid jacket.

That was one of the items they found at the bus stop. Now, are you saying the murderer wore a gray plaid jacket? No, I'm not saying that. Um, but I'm saying it wasn't described as a shirt.

It wasn't described as a vest. It was described as a jacket. It was 91 degrees that day. Who was wearing a gray plaid jacket?

I don't recall the guy on the roof looking like he was wearing a gray plaid jacket. Um, but it's a it's a data point. It gives us an idea of what's happening. m.

that that was found. We also have uh officer Falina. Falmina was on the stand and she talks about the jacket, but she also talks about gloves in the backpack that were found at the same bus stop and they were sent for testing initially. We were going to find out who they belong to.

Um so let's take a quick listen here to officer Fina. It's going to be about a minute, minute and a half here, but let's listen to officer Falina and see what happens to this evidence. Yeah, of course. Um when officers were canvasing the scene, um they were also trying to see right uh the route of the shooter as well as just trying to find the shooter.

And they deem or they determined that the Fton Library stood out because there were um unattended items there at the bus stops that were away from the courtyard area and so to them they thought it was suspicious. And were certain items seized from and what were they? Yes, you had a backpack, um, a jacket, as well as some gloves, and there may have been some other things. I just don't recall them right now.

And do you recall what the item numbers were of those seizures? Was it nine? Does that ring a bell? I don't remember.

Uh, those whatever was seized was sent to the FBI lab for processing. Yes. Um, and along with some information that the suspect may have shed some of this these items as he fled. Correct.

Yes. Was a decision at some time made and you were requesting that both DNA and other type of analysis get done? Yes. At some point did you decide to pull a plug on that?

Um at the time when it was already sent, we didn't have more information as far as whether or not whether or not the evidence that were collected there were probitative but eventually you communicated to the lab that those items were not in fact connected with a case and there was no need to do further testing. I don't remember communicating that. Okay. If that's in the notes of the FBI or the ATF, would that be inconsistent with what you know?

Uh, no. Okay. I'm mentioning because some of the reports, the lab reports have those items listed. Okay.

I just want to be clear that those items eventually you determined were not related to this case. Would that be fair? Yeah, that would be fair. Okay.

So, they determined eventually they're not related to the case. And they go on to say that they determined they weren't related because they belong to Charlie Kirk security, someone with the Charlie Kirk team. It's a little unusual because the if you look at the campus map, the bus stop by the library is way far away from where all the action was. It's also way far away from the Losi Center.

So if if you're saying a crime took place on the Losi Center and a crime took place under the tent, the you know, you you almost look at it like a large triangle. As far away as the Losi Center is from the tent, the library is like twice as far away, maybe three times as far away. It's way down the road. So what the hell are people doing over there?

Why are people over there? Um, we find out why they removed them. Um, right [clears throat] here. So, let me pull this up.

This is why they were removed. Falmina did not even know they were removed. This lady will tell us why they were removed. They did.

Got a backpack which he labeled as exhibit nine and a bunch of items from that backpack. Correct. Correct. Yes.

You were event you were initially told that those items related to things that may have been discarded by the suspect. Uh so initially we didn't have any information. Um so we processed that. Those are items that are good for DNA.

Not having any information from the investigators. We process them for DNA. As the investigation continues, it was determined that that backpack um was potentially left behind by a by a bystander and there was no comparisons needed at that time. Well, left behind by a bystander or according to your notes at page 20, the backpack belongs to Kirk's detaile.

Uh yes, based on the individual that uh that was not my communication log, that was someone else within the laboratory. That was the information that they received. again. Do you guys prep for these hearings?

Like, why are you guys surprised by what's in the report that's right in front of you? I I would think if if if something that critical was part of the case, that would be something they would be aware of when they took the stand. Oh, hey, by the way, we sent some items along and we determined they belong to the Charlie Kirk team. That's why they weren't tested.

rather than ah some innocent bystander just shedding a jacket and throwing it on the ground as they go about their merry way. I mean, do people lose jackets? Sure. Do people lose jackets at bus stops?

Yeah, maybe less than lose jackets generally speaking overall. Does Charlie Kirk's Detail lose jackets while they're out wandering around? I don't know. I mean, wouldn't think so.

Wouldn't think. I mean, I don't know why they would, [laughter] but that's the story and they're sticking to it. Um Oh. Oh.

Oh, ammo can. So, in that original radio call, uh I'm being told that people were confused by the word ammo can. In that original call, uh she said they found a jacket and an ammo can in a vehicle. An ammo can is just like a box that you store ammo in.

They're they're pretty universally similar in structure and design. So, if you've seen one, you'll recognize others when you come across them. They usually have some sort of a latch and and they're rectangular in shape. Uh maybe about yay high, yay big, some smaller than others, but they'll have a latch and you open it up and it'll have an ammo can.

There's an ammo can right there. Um and it'll open up. It'll it'll slide open on a a lever and you can then access your ammunition. It just keeps it dry, keeps it from being damaged.

The last thing you want with ammo is to have it um you know, have stuff banging into it, right? because that's how you get ammo to go off. You have it bang into something. So, you don't want it loose just bang bang bang bang bang, you know, stuff crashing into it, getting accidentally struck with a hammer.

So, you put it in a protective container and that'll keep it from accidentally discharging and firing, for example, through your bedroom or your window, uh, or your car window or something. So, that's what an ammo can is. Um, obviously the FBI when they showed up were looking at cars and saw an ammo can. I think if you think there's a shooting on campus and you see an ammo can, that becomes relevant, at least in the intermediate term, at least in the short term.

Uh, so that's what that's what I said. I didn't say camo can. Um, and that's what an ammo can is. It's um it's that.

So that's just kind of going back and and cleaning that up. So we now have the radio. We now have a description of the jacket. We know what the jacket that was found looks like.

It's gray plaid. I will remind you Butch Hibbs had on some kind of grayish green plaid shirt, but it was a shirt, not a jacket. I don't think Butch wandered over the library and took his shirt off, but I'm just kind of giving you an idea what I think it might have looked like. That's that's grayish greenish gray plaid right there.

So, let's dig into Officer Bagley. Bagley is terrible. Uh the very first day of his testimony and I got on the air and I said, "This guy sucks. Uh, he is he sucks.

His his descriptions, his memory, his lack thereof is awful. I don't know how they're going to try this case without him, but I know they want to. I can assure you they want to. " If they could get rid of Bagley and Twigs and they could somehow get all that evidence without those two, uh, they would be in much better shape.

But they can't. They can't. Uh Baggley, I think, is going to be a problem for them because Baggley's low IQ. Bagley is not very smart.

Uh he's he's basically a bumbling fool. And we'll show you an example of it. Uh first, who is officer Baggley? Let's take a quick look here of the bagman.

Here is Officer Baggley. Charles Mcccleintoch Wilson was kind enough to look up while he was at the event and see Officer Baggley up here overseeing the festivities uh perched precariously on top of the Hall of Flags. Ironically enough, Baggley is the one guy who is in a position to be able to see the rooftop of the Losi Center. He's probably the only guy in the facility who has a really good look of the rooftop of the Losi Center, but he didn't take advantage of that.

[laughter] I don't know where he was looking at the moment of the uh the guy is up there for like walking around allegedly assembling stuff. He's army crawling to the edge. He's perched precariously over the uh over the the ledge of the Losi Center. I don't know what Bagley's looking at at this moment.

He's got a Bluetooth speaker in his ear. Maybe he's listening to Huey Lewis in the news. I don't know, is he walking on the thin line kind of guy or is he like I need a new drug kind of guy. I don't know which Huey Lewis song is his favorite, but he's got a Bluetooth speaker in his ear.

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You know, I prefer my officers to be attentive, to understand the lay of the land, to know what's going on in the world. I would much rather them be watching Charlie Kirk or the crowd or the rooftops. But he's listening to Huey Lewis and the news. Almost assuredly he's listening to Huey Lewis in the news.

I can't think of anybody else uh that he would be listening to. Now, let's go to the test. Let's go to the testimony here from the bagman himself. Ladies and gentlemen, Officer Bag.

Another bullet being found on the scene, not on the roof building. All right. Your body cam footage that I reviewed appears to end while you're still on the roof. Do you know why that is?

I think the battery went dead. It was right at that moment. Okay. And do you know did you ever turn it back on that day or go get it re I don't know.

Would you have to do charge it or stick a new battery in it? I don't even know. Usually dock it, but no, I didn't go back. I was too I was too chaotic running around.

So that and 35 second body cam that starts when you're at the Hall of Flags and ends while you're still on the roof, but haven't put the crime tape up yet. That's the only body cam you have that day. Yes. Ladies and gentlemen, we now have a timeline.

and . I was mistaken in giving officer Baggley the benefit of the doubt that he was recording his whole shift. He was not. Um and s isn't very long, especially when you consider how long it took him to get to the roof in the first place.

Um the the big bang happened around 12:23 or 1224. And if you calculate what time he got to the roof, the testimony is that he got to the roof at . So, let's do a little math backwards. Let's assume it died the second he got on the roof.

and s before that, before 12:44 would be 1217, before Charlie Kirk is taken out. Well, if he if it died right when he got to the roof, you would have to inevitably ask the question, Officer Baggley, you started your shift at , the event started at , Charlie Kirk arrives at , why at 12:17 did you all of the sudden, before Charlie Kirk goes down, decide to fire up your body cam footage? If it if if it died while he was on the roof, not as soon as he gets to the roof, but while he's on the roof, you have to ask the question, what were you doing for those six minutes that you get to the roof and you're looking around and you're wandering around and you don't spot a screwdriver in those first six minutes? Cuz we don't have the big screwdriver discovery on the body cam footage.

So, while you're walking around up there, you don't walk past the screwdriver. It's nowhere to be found. Something's not adding up here. Either you started that body cam footage before Charlie went down or you were on that roof at least six minutes without spotting the one piece of evidence that ties Charlie Kirk to the scene.

I mean, it's not a big roof. If you get to the top of the roof and you walk out and you if you listen to his testimony, I looked out. I saw what would be a good sniper position and I noticed there were some there were some uh uh you know uh there were some uh disturbances in the rock that could be uh Converse sneakers and a nice little sniper position. Well, oh, sorry.

The one piece that ties Tyler to the scene. Ties Tyler to the scene. Excuse me, I misspoke. Um, but you're telling me you got to the roof and wandered around on the roof for six minutes, discovered the sniper position and and did not see a screwdriver.

There's nowhere in this body cam footage as you're wandering. You know, the I'll give you an idea what the body cam footage looks like because we have an image of an officer wearing the exact body cam footage he was wearing that day in the exact same position he was wearing it. That body cam footage is right there. It's right in the middle of his body.

And so if he's walking around the roof for six minutes or more or more, assuming he started the body cam footage after the Big Bang, maybe he started it a minute or two after the Big Bang. So that's now now we're up to seven or eight minutes. But even if he started exactly where the Big Bang happened, he's got six minutes from the time he gets up there at 12:44 before the body cam footage dies at 12:50. That's .

12:51 maybe even. What were you doing, man? 6 or seven minutes up on the roof. Your body cam footage should have been able to pick up most of the roof.

You should be able to see the screwdriver. The fact that you can't is awfully telling. This is Officer Kim. Uh he is most famous for telling people to get back.

Get back. That's what that's what he was doing at the moment. Everybody was trying to rush out away from an active shooter. He's keeping them hemmed in in the line of fire.

Very unusual circumstances. They were carrying Charlie to the SUV. I understand he didn't want people interfering with that, but they were running for their lives. [laughter] Charlie was a I mean, frankly, Charlie was not coming back at that moment.

The rest of them were still very much in danger. This was like less than a minute afterwards. You have no idea who is causing harm, where they're located. They're trying to get the heck out of there and save their lives.

Officer Kim is like, "Stop. Stay in the line of fire. " No offense to Officer Kim. I might have handled it differently, but you know, I've never been in that situation.

I've never been in that situation. Let's take a closer look at this body cam footage. uh this body cam footage we are now because we have such a good view of what this department uses. We are able to find out precisely what body cam they were using and it is this right here the Axon body 2 the Axon Body 2 body cam uh develop deployed by more major cities than any other police body camera well and also college campuses.

Many agencies count on it to provide clear accounts and to rely on Axon to provide unparalleled support before, during, and after implementation. Well, they don't all count on it because apparently Officer Baggley is your worst salesperson. He's your worst advertiser. Cuz if Officer Baggley is to be believed, it's a dud.

Yes. Yes. Yes. We know that they're supposed to have a nice battery life.

Here is from the Axon 2 website. The Axon 2, a fully charged camera battery should provide enough power for approximately of normal operation or of normal operation, give or take. [laughter] Give or take. You know, it's it's close close.

It might be . It might be . We're not sure. We're not sure.

It's one of those. One of those. Uh but what happens? What happens?

Do you have any idea when this thing is getting low? Yes, as a matter of fact, this is from the website. Warns of low battery capacity using the battery LED and audio signals, meaning Officer Bag Boy should have heard and seen that his body cam footage was in dire danger of dying. That's alliteration for you people who don't understand poetry.

Uh, the infield battery LED is green above 66%. Yellow at 66 to 33%, red below 33%. And then blinking red and yellow when critically low. Not to be content with only providing visual warnings that you have a low battery.

The audio warning consists of four audio beeps. You might have heard him if you didn't have the Bluetooth speaker in your ear, sir. Oh, well, let's assume that Huey Lewis in the news is cranked up to 10 out of 10, maybe 11. He couldn't hear it over power of love.

Well, in that case, it has haptic vibrations at 20, 10, 20, 15, 10, and 5% battery. Meaning, you can't sit on the stand and say, "Oh, no. I guess it died. " Immediately before the device shuts down due to low power, it will emit an extra long beep and haptic vibration.

Did that happen, sir? Did that happen while you were there? Go back and listen again to how he describes what happened. Did that happen?

Does it sound like his battery died? Doesn't it sound like he would have been given a warning via audio, haptic vibration, flashing lights? You would know if your battery's about to die. Take it away, Mr.

Bagwood. Were you aware of another bullet being found on the scene, not on the roof of the Liy building? No. All right.

Your body cam footage that I reviewed appears to end while you're still on the roof. Do you know why that is? I think the battery went dead. It was destroyed at that moment.

Yeah. No, that sounds like bull butter. That sounds like classic bull butter. " I I say, "Let me show you a clip of officer Bag Boy.

Let me show you a clip of Officer Bag Boy because Officer Bag Boy is full of bull butter. I don't know. I guess it died. Well, did you hear an extra long beep?

Did you feel haptic vibrations? Did you see flashing LED lights in your periphery? Did the plain clothed guy with an unknown agency and an unknown identification but had a pistol in his hand? Did he happen to hear any of this taking place if you couldn't hear it over hip to be square?

If you couldn't feel it because you were rocking it out. Hip to be square. Hip to be square. Bag boy.

Your story sucks. Your story sucks. Do you see what I mean when I say they can't take this case to trial? That I am in grave fear of Tyler Robinson losing his life?

You're going to put this guy on the stand to say, "I don't know. " Right before the one piece of evidence that puts Tyler Robinson on the roof? H so unfortunate. It's just the worst case.

Worst luck. This 12-hour battery lasted exactly 20 and . Do you think a juryy's going to buy that? You think the defense is going to let him off with that?

You think they're not going to hammer him in closing and say, "My friends, you watched a cover up and you watched it explained from that chair right there. " Ladies and gentlemen, it's our contention that this guy was framed. Tyler was framed. A a very real murder took place and it's a tragedy, but Tyler didn't do it.

Tyler wasn't on that roof. There's only one piece of evidence that ties into that roof. And right before it was discovered, officer Baggley says, "hm, my battery must have died. " But as we saw from the Axon body camera expert, that's nearly an impossible story to buy.

You can't believe that, ladies and gentlemen. That's what we call bull butter cuz officer Bagley would have felt haptic feedback at 20, 15, 10, and 5% battery life. He would have heard audible beeps. 1 hourHe would have seen flashing le LED lights in his periphery on top of the body cam.

He wouldn't have to guess whether his body cam footage died. He would know. He just said he guessed. He guessed.

He guessed. Doesn't it seem more likely that it was just trimmed because by the time they turned it over, they realized it doesn't show what they claim was up there? Doesn't that make more sense to you than a malfunctioning bodywn camera that is designed to last that performs marvelously across police departments all over the country? You heard from the expert from Axon Body Cam.

This is one of the most utilized cameras in the business. It doesn't just accidentally die. That's not the way they're designed. It doesn't just stop.

That's not the way they're designed. It records. People's lives depend on these things working properly. And they do.

And they do. And even if he just happened to miss the 20 and the 15 and the 10 and the five, guess what? Right as it's shutting down, it goes crazy. It flashes lights.

It emits a 4-se secondond long loud audible beep. And it shakes like crazy. " No, friends. We're not going to accept that.

We're not going to deprive a man of his liberty on the testimony of Officer Bag Boy. We're not doing that. We're not going to allow it. This guy sucks.

He's a disgrace to his badge. If he doesn't know how the body cam footage works, why is he in service? Why is he in service? All right, the backup plan.

The backup. Chapter 5: Presence of Utah State University Police May Signal a Backup Plan for Charlie Kirk Um, I want to show you the tweet. Well, let me back up a little bit so I can show you Muppet Masher here. I want to show you the guy who identified the guy.

I mentioned him last night. I said, you know, there's this guy Muppet Masher. He's identifying people left and right. Here he is.

There was a big question of who this guy was in the red hat and the blue shirt. If you watch the life is driving video, he's sort of directing traffic. We could go back and watch it. We played a good bit of it last night when we were watching the destruction of the scene in real time.

Guess who is overseeing the destruction of the scene? That guy, Alan Robertson. Guess whose back was to Terrell Farnsworth while he's tearing down the scene and moving the chair and standing in the blood? that guy Alan Robertson.

You'll notice these two planelo officers who were overseeing the destruction of the crime scene, who were not preserving the crime scene, but were allowing it to be trampled over to things to be changed and moved for for for valuable evidence to be removed and and potentially destroyed. It was these two guys. Look where they work. Utah State University, Utah State University.

I want to ask the question, why are they even there? Why are they even there? Well, not content to just be standing under the tent while the evidence is destroyed. They actually go one step further here.

I'll let Candace from tonight give a brief explanation about this guy who was able to identify the person. It is officer Allan Robinson from the Utah State University Department of Public Safety. Utah State University. So, not even a UVU officer.

Now, this guy in theory is just supposed to be a part of general reinforcements on that day. A nobody. A nobody. But I'm excited that we at least get to add this presumably a nobody to our list of ever growing list of people who are brand new.

Uh because he had just joined the USU police force the summer before. Here was the announcement on Facebook. They announced on Facebook that he had joined. And another weird thing that we noted while going back and reviewing that footage, but Helen Robertson, as we're going through all that early footage, he actually seems like he's the person that's immediately in charge.

We're going to unpack that further this week. Very weird. We're told he's just some rookie officer from Utah State University who was helping out at the event. Maybe some crowd control.

It's not even his campus. Why would anyone listen to this dude? It's a good question, right? " More importantly, why is officer Bagley seemingly running cover the other guy?

Let's show them on that rooftop again. Oh, and there he is on the rooftop. So, this Utah State University officer While officer Baggley is on the roof, while his body cam footage is miraculously stopping, just before the most important piece of evidence is discovered, he's on the roof with Bag Boy. He's on the roof with Bag Boy.

So, I saw that and Candace suggested maybe he's this there as backup, but he seems to be sort of running the joint. And my mind gets spinning. And I think, wait a minute. If you go back to the original announcement of the American Comeback Tour, I actually have it right here.

You go back to the original announcement. Now, it's on the way back machine. They've taken this down, but this is the way. If you come up here to the top right hand corner, you'll see this is what the website looked like on September 7th, 2025.

Three days before Charlie Kirk passes away. September 7th, the American Comeback Tour. Let's see where they were planning to be. Well, September 10th, Utah Valley University, prove me wrong table.

Notice there's no evening event that night. [laughter] I don't know if that was an oversight. I don't know if that was an oversight cuz a week later they go to Colorado State University in Fort Collins, Colorado. There is a prove me wrong table, but there's also an evening event you'll see down here.

Then they go to the University of Minnesota Twin Cities September 22nd. for a prove me wrong table. But there's also an evening event. This is more normal, right?

You do the tableabling during the day and then everybody gets together that night and they have sort of a a dignified cleaned up version of a presentation. Couple of days later out to Virginia Tech, prove me wrong. And then they have an evening event. Now look here.

September 30th, Utah State University prove me wrong table. I look at that and I see a backup plan. I see a backup plan. We would like to remove Charlie from Earth.

We would like to spring him from his mortal coil. Now, I've never been able to make the connection, but two universities in Utah within a short period of time struck me as a little odd. you know, Utah and then we'll go to Colorado, we'll go to Minnesota, we'll go to Virginia, back to Utah. Weird.

And it wasn't until Muppet Masher identified these guys as Utah State University police officers I thought, where have I heard that before? Ah, that's where they were going to be 20 days later. And if you go back to the original moments afterwards, you'll see these guys are very much right there. We showed this video last night.

I don't want to pull it back up and show it again for the sake of showing it, but they were right there. They were these two Utah State University police officers were basically coordinating with the TPUSA team. Maybe I should play it because it's it's it's in light of this that you realize, wait a minute, these guys these guys are are doing more than just hanging out. These guys are doing more than just providing coverage after the event.

Um, let's go back to the first time that uh, Adam Bartholomew from Life is Driving, who captured frankly remarkable coverage in the immediate aftermath. Let's go back to the very first time that we see him. This is and maybe s or so after the event. There's our guy.

There's Alan Robertson. You see him? He's all the way on the left right here. That's a Charlie Kirk security guy on the left and that's Allan Robertson standing right next to him and they're just chatting it up.

They're just hanging out. Now there's the other guy right there, the blue shirt. These are the two Utah State University police officers. They're the ones closest to the scene.

Do you see any other police officers near there other than Jeff Long, the uh chief of police at Utah Valley University who's over here next to the American Comeback Tour sign on the left? The two people overseeing the scene are these two guys, Utah State University police officers. And if you let it roll, you could let it roll for a long time. We could let it roll at even a faster pace.

But you see, these guys are just the guys that are there. They're the ones who are just hanging out, sort of directing traffic. Look, there they are. One of them's up here still talking to the security guy.

Here's the guy in the blue on the lower right hand side. the guy talking to the security guys in the red hat next to the tent. This guy in the light blue right here, this hefty fella. Heavy set, I think, in the words of Officer Baggley.

He's over here, but but the whole scene is just covered up with Charlie Kirk security people and these two Utah State University police officers. It's as if they know what they're doing. People are listening to them. He's over here making calls.

This guy from Utah State, now he's over here talking to people on the right hand side. the guy in the light blue shirt. You can see uh if we go further to the left, he's got his gun out. He's walking around talking to Terrell Farnsworth as he passes him.

This is right before Terrell Farnsworth goes and takes down the camera. Look, he's right next to him. He's the guy. This is the Allen Robertson who was on the roof with Bag Boy.

I'll submit to you if you wanted to pull this off and maybe the main target was at Utah State University or maybe that was the backup. This is just me speculating. I'm not suggesting this is fact. This is just me looking at the totality of the circumstances and coming to an opinion.

If you wanted to take out Charlie and you wanted to guarantee he was gone, you might not put all your marbles on September 10th. What if it rained? What if some equipment malfunctioned? What if your uh guy didn't get in place on the Losi Center?

What if there was a a police officer who'd wandered over to the steps over there and interrupted the whole plan? You'd have to have a backup plan, wouldn't you? Can't put all your marbles in one basket. What if your What if someone steals your basket?

I think I ruined that metaphor. I think it's eggs in a basket. You can't put all your eggs in one basket. What if someone steals your basket?

You have no eggs left. Then you'd have to go to Utah State University. Well, if you're going to do that anyway, wouldn't it make sense if you're going to have some inside operators that you would need to get them up to speed, briefed, so to speak? And if they're already up to speed and brief, why not just bring them to the event?

Why not just bring him to the first go round? You look at the weather, you say, "Hey, weather looks beautiful. Looks like we're going to have our team in place. Why don't you guys show up and manage the situation afterward?

" Or even if it doesn't get to the roof, make sure you get up on the roof in case we need later somebody else to say they saw something up there. May maybe Bag Boy is going to be a terrible witness and we're going to need someone else who was up there to kind of corroborate him, give him a little backup. I don't know, guys. I don't know.

I can't state definitively that that's what happened. I can't sit here today and say 100% there was a group coordinated effort to kill Charlie Kirk at Utah uh Utah Valley University. And if they failed, it was going to take place at Utah State University. But either way, he was not ending September alive.

But I can sure look at the totality of the evidence and say, "Man, this is weird. This is really weird. two guys who were campus police officers at the place Charlie was going to be at 20 days later happen to be the guys on the scene watching the scene get destroyed and evidence get taken away. They happen to be the guys that are kind of making small talk with the security team and just trapesing all over the crime scene as things are getting moved.

They're talking to Terrell Farnsworth right before he moves the chair. the chair Charlie Kirk died in that then stands on it and then removes the camera footage down that recorded the action that potentially recorded the crowd that recorded everything that took place behind the table. We're just going to let him take that camera down and walk off with it. We're told he took an SD card out of it.

But what if he did something else to it? What if they I mean I don't know. What if they I have no idea what happened and neither do you. No one knows what happened.

Nobody who believes Tyler Robinson planned and executed Charlie Kirk knows what happened. And and who are we to suggest that all he did was take the SD card out. Well, that's what he said. But we're taking it at face value that he's an honest actor.

He there's no bull in his veins. I don't believe Tyler Terrell Farnsworth. This is the guy who immediately afterwards before he took the camera down, he hears the bang. He runs away presumably fearing for his life.

I mean, everybody else seemed to be doing that. And then jumps up on a concrete wall, takes out his camera, and starts filming his reaction. They killed Charlie Kirk. They killed Charlie Kirk.

He's dead. Oh, and he happened to be in the perfect position to watch the watch the body be dragged into the SUV on the way out. I don't know, guys.

Chapter 6: Too Many Coincidences to Ignore

If this was, it's something Julie and I talked about.

If this was just Tyler Robinson on the Losi center roof with granddad's 30 out six, there were some of the worst coincidences of all time that took place in the moments leading up to it and in the minutes afterwards. What a weird coincidence that your body cam footage just happens to die. What a weird coincidence nobody happened to be looking at any of the rooftops when everyone acknowledged that the rooftops look particularly dire. What a weird coincidence that in the immediate aftermath, Terrell Farnsworth runs and jumps on a concrete embankment and starts filming himself declaring that they got Charlie.

They killed Charlie. They shot Charlie. What a weird coincidence that Frank Turk just happens to pull on his hat right before Dan Flood looks at him pulling on his hat and steps forward and touches his upper arm. That's a weird coincidence.

What a weird coincidence that Terrell Farnsworth just happens to stamp down on the ground for no apparent reason that we can discern discern right as the bang happens. What a weird coincidence that Philip Goldsbury Jr. just happens to shield his face and eyes, right? I mean, like a half a second before it happens.

What a weird coincidence that Rick Cutler tugs on his sleeve exactly at it happen as it happens. Lots of weird coincidences in that moment. It's possible they are just weird coincidence. But the more weird coincidences that we keep identifying, the more I mean, and frankly, it's a weird coincidence that Charlie Kirk was supposed to be at Utah State University 20 days from now and those are the two cops kind of overseeing the scene as it's being destroyed.

That's a weird coincidence. What a weird coincidence. The more weird coincidences that pop up, the more you start wondering, were these coincidences at all? Were these coincidences at all?

Or was there some sort of cascade of check offs and Hunter Kak just happened to look at Brian Harpole and pull down on his glasses? What a weird coincidence. Frank Turk just happened to go to his hat and grab his hat to adjust it and then scratch his face. What a weird coincidence that Dan Fled just happened to look at him doing that and then look the other way and then step forward and touch his arm like milliseconds before the bang happened.

What a weird coincidence. What a weird coincidence. I don't by any means suggest I know exactly what happened. I don't by any means suggest that all of these people were involved in some capacity.

But if we're going to talk about weird coincidences, what a weird coincidence that Andrew Kovette just happened to run a pre-record for the second hour of the Charlie Kirk show that day. That's a weird coincidence. What a weird coincidence that an airplane just happened to fly from Provo, Utah to where Andrew Kovette lives, Santa Barbara, and then to Scottsdale, just in time for someone to catch a plane from Scottsdale to Provo. A weird coincidence.

Who was on that plane? What a weird coincidence that somebody at the airport tells Candace Owens that he cannot confirm or deny whether Erica Kirk was in his office or in his building the moment it happened. What a weird coincidence. Why wouldn't he be able to say no?

Why would you think she was here? We sell airplanes. We're an airplane brokerage. If you want a commercial aircraft, you come to the right place.

If you are looking for Erica Kirk, that's nonsense. Why is she Why would she be here? What a weird coincidence. What a weird coincidence.

What a weird coincidence that when she's challenged on where she was the evening of September 8th, she provides an alibi for where she was the day of September 9th. A weird coincidence. What a weird coincidence that Blake Nef says initially he spent the night in Orum, Utah. " What a weird coincidence.

And what a weird coincidence that there was a bald man seen driving a Dodge Challenger in or Utah that night and he had three passengers. What a weird coincidence that Blake Nef shows up at the hospital with three passengers. Danny Phillip, Mikey McCoy, and Nate Walker. What a weird coincidence.

What a weird coincidence that Blake doesn't know where he went when he flew into Salt Lake City that morning. Despite the fact that there were planes coming from Salt from Scottsdale to Provo, he decides to go from Scottsdale to Salt Lake on the earlier flight, but doesn't know where he went after landing. Got in a car, marked time. What a weird coincidence.

What a weird weird coincidence. This is this cascade of weird coincidences. Everybody seems to have an imperfect recollection of just about everything. And at some point, you have to stop and ask yourself, are these coincidences?

What a weird coincidence that we happen to catch a Dodge Challenger at the scene, but we can't get a clear image of the person exiting the Dodge Challenger. What a weird coincidence that the guy who is the boyfriend, alleged boyfriend, purported boyfriend of Tyler Robinson can't identify him with a reasonable degree of certainty initially when he sees six pictures of his face. What a weird coincidence. What a weird coincidence that he wasn't available to testify.

What a weird coincidence that he just happened to take a picture of the preconfession, the pre-event confession note. He just took a picture of it. And what a weird coincidence that he has no idea what happened to it, but it ended up burned. Can't find the note.

Someone set it on fire. Who? I don't know. I never saw it again.

I don't think I ever saw it again. What a weird coincidence. What a weird coincidence that Lance Twigs's DNA is all over all the evidence. That's weird.

What a weird coincidence that Tyler Robinson's DNA is the most degraded of all the DNA. That's a weird coincidence. m. to go back to the scene of where the rifle was recovered and then they put the the caution tape back up the next day.

That's a weird coincidence. What a weird coincidence that they find items at the Losi center at the uh excuse me, the library bus stop and they send them off for DNA testing because they seem suspicious. What a weird coincidence that it just happened to be one of Charlie Kirk's security people, his detailees, they said. That's weird.

That's weird. What a weird coincidence that Mikey McCoy was supposedly the general in charge of everything, the admiral. And then later it comes out that we see video footage. He's not He didn't show up for a long time afterwards.

Thought he was barking orders. Thought he was the man of the hour. It's a weird coincidence. A really weird coincidence.

That's too many weird coincidences for me. " What a weird coincidence that we were told for 10 months that Tyler Robinson confessed to his parents and that was one of the main reasons why we knew he was guilty and then when it came time to put up or shut up, they shut up because they didn't put Tyler Robinson's parents on the witness list and they didn't call them to the preliminary hearing. And so we are pretty safe to believe he didn't tell them that and that's not why he turned himself in. What a weird coincidence.

What a weird coincidence that when he did turn himself into the Washington County Sheriff's Office, that video footage just happens to be unavailable. That's weird. What a weird coincidence that a local news station asked for a copy of that, I believe, because everybody in town was saying he did not turn himself in at 9. He turned himself in well before .

And so they asked for the footage so they can answer the question once and for all what time he turned himself in. And the Washington County Sheriff's Office refused to turn it over. And then when they refined the request and broadened their request to in in in an attempt to get anything, Washington County says, "Oh, dog gone it. " What a weird coincidence.

They just happened to delete the footage. That was their story. And then what a weird coincidence when we find out they didn't delete it at all. They still had it.

We saw a piece of it at the preliminary hearing. They lied. What a weird coincidence that they lied to the news media about whether or not they had that footage. What a weird coincidence.

m. identifies Tyler Robinson by voice, by face, remembers what he ate, remembers what time he left, produced a receipt. A weird What a weird coincidence. Because according to his text messages, he was supposed to be sitting back in Utah monitoring the scene trying to recover the rifle.

What a weird coincidence. for an open and shut case. There are a lot of weird coincidence. " I mean, frankly, what a weird coincidence that one of Tyler Robinson's lawyers is related to one of the people who was there that day, allegedly.

I don't know that I've ever seen proof of that, but it's stated so often as fact, and I don't I'm not aware of anybody ever saying that's not true. That's a weird coincidence. What a weird coincidence that the medical examiner, his wife, cosplays as a furry. So does Tyler's live in cosplays as a furry.

That's what we're told. What a weird coincidence that is. How many medical examiner's wives are furries? I mean, there's not a lot of them.

I think uh Joseph Scott Morgan told me there were like 600 in the country. What are the odds that one of them is married to a furry who writes scholarship on furom? What a weird coincidence. What a weird coincidence.

All these new people. What a weird coincidence that the special agent in charge in Utah was fired not terribly long before this and a new one was installed. What a weird coincidence that we have a brand new judge who was just appointed by the governor. What a weird coincidence.

This is all weird. And so when people sit back and sort of ask questions, frankly, what a weird coincidence that all these weird Google searches were done ahead of time. That's weird. That's really weird.

that identify people by name who were there that day or affiliated in some capacity with this story. What a weird coincidence that Charlie Kirk's medical records were transferred to University Hospital in Provo. Why is this normal? Is this something that hospitals routinely do is sort of bomb their medical records into someone else's system unaware for no reason whatsoever?

In the age of HIPPA, in the age of everybody protect medical records at all costs, we're just going to fire off patient medical records to emergency departments in other cities for no apparent reason. People who've never been to that hospital, who are now dead and will never go to that hospital. We're just going to bomb his medical records over there. Why?

That's really weird. What a weird coincidence that at the moment it happened, an elderly gentleman named George Hodson Zinn stands up and starts screaming, "I did it. I did it. " And and and is tackled and and all the police response goes to him.

That's a weird coincidence. What a weird coincidence that Jack Hibbs's brother was one of the first people to announce that he was there. Jack Hibs's brother was there and then Jack Hibbs is one of the first people to announce that Charlie Kirk has passed and Victor Marx and Benjamin Netanyahu. That's weird.

That's weird. When you look at all of it, when you put the whole story together. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Tyler's DNA is on the gun. We get that.

We get that. We understand that. Trust me, bro. We got that.

Uh Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Tyler lived in that house and so his DNA is on the tools and the towels. We got it. We got it.

We got it. Do you have any explanation for all the rest of this stuff? the the totality of all these weird coincidences when you put them all together, does anybody's red flags and alarm bells start going off and saying, "Yeah, what the hell's going on here? What's happening here?

" And what a weird coincidence. They paved over the crime scene 5 days later, dug it up the following day or a day after. That's weird. That's weird.

You You What a weird coincidence that they stripped the SUV and sold it like immediately. What a weird coincidence that Frank Turk told a police officer, "You can't have this piece of evidence. " What? What?

That's his story. I believe we've played it on air that Frank Turk discovers the necklace that Charlie was wearing when he died that I very much think should be an evidence and he was asked by a police officer to hand it over and he said no. That's his story. I don't I don't know how anyone looks at this and says, "Yeah, open and shut.

" No question. Open and shut. There's What are we even doing? Why are we even having a trial?

Go ahead and stick a needle in his arm right now. We are bloodthirsty and we want this man dead. That's what they're telling you. They want to disregard every one of these coincidences and a hundred more just like them.

I'm not willing to look the other way. I I look at this and I think no, this this this case is very much not open and shut and we owe both Tyler Robinson and Charlie Kirk a thorough examination in what exactly the hell happened. I mean, frankly, if you're going to go on to weird coincidence that Chrissy shows up with mints exactly as Tyler Robinson's leaping over the wall and getting into place and Brian Harpole just doesn't eat the mints, puts the mints in his pocket, looks around, checks out his security team, and then repositions himself closer so he has a more direct line. I don't know if it's so he has a more direct line, but he positioned himself in a place where he had a more direct line to get behind the table in the shortest amount of time possible.

That's a weird coincidence, ladies and gentlemen. That is weird. I don't know how you look at all this and not be remotely curious about the answers to any of these questions. I haven't even gone into the fact that there were ex accounts and Discord chats about something's going to happen to Charlie and this and that.

I don't know how common that was. Charlie was a pretty high-profile public figure. Maybe that kind of chatter happened all the time, every time you went anywhere. I don't know.

But you don't even need stuff like that to say, "Hey, this needs to be investigated a little more closely. " And what a weird coincidence. I'll I'll end with I'll end my coincidence chain with this. What a weird coincidence that social media was activated in what I believe is an unprecedented fashion to attack anyone investigating this to call them names, call them stupid, call them demonic, evil, accuse them of crimes just because they want to know the answer.

Just because they want to know what the hell's going on. " I mean, if they're just coincidences, they're going to be good explanations for all of them. So, let's just ask the question, where were you? Why'd you do that?

And instead, what we get is a relentless assault on anyone asking these very basic questions. Very, very basic question. a relentless assault. It's it's I think unprecedented in a crowd source investigation.

I' I've watched a few of these unpack. I was around for the Adnan Sed investigation. My sister was eating up with that, nurse Casey. And so I saw and talked to her about what she was learning and I got a little involved in it and looked at a little of the stuff as it was happening and and I don't recall anybody jumping online and saying anybody looking into the murder was evil and demonic and and and deserved to go to jail or was somehow going to be I mean I just don't recall that happening.

Everyone was like, "Well, did he do it or not? Let's figure this out because we've got somebody in prison for life and we probably want to make sure we got the right guy. And if we don't, we should not have him in jail for the rest of his life. He's already been there 20 years.

We should get this guy out of there if he didn't do it. I mean, that's pretty basic. this coordinated, relentless, frankly 100% pro-Zionist position that Tyler Robinson killed and planned and executed Charlie Kirk by himself with a 306 from the Losi center roof. Uh, I'm not aware of anybody who's opposed to the Iran war who believes that.

It's like one to one. It's only those people who are really pushing that narrative. That's weird. That's weird.

You figure if it's a SCOP, they'd throw like five or 10 people in there who are against the Iran war who also would be sort of paid to go out there and push the Tyler Robinson there, but there just aren't any. I mean, there just none. None that I can find. Maybe some off-handed person here or there, but there's not like a coordinated group of them.

It's like, do you believe we should obliterate all Persian people? Yes. Do you believe Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk? Yes.

Yes to both answers. Absolutely. And so you rarely find anybody with a split opinion on those two issues. Leads me to believe they're related.

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VIRAL! Frank Turek Wants Me Struck Down?! Another Hole In The Story Revealed… | Ep 371
Candace Owens
Aug 4, 2026

Frank Turek is going viral for seemingly using the bible to message that I should be struck down, Blake Neff is upset we solved the mystery of who was on the rooftop at the Losee Center with Officer Bagley, and we found another blank space that we can help fill for Officer Bagley...again.



Transcript

Chapter 1: Start. All right, you guys. Happy Tuesday. It's yanking bank Tuesdays.

We're going to do some yanking and banking around a few topics. Frank Turk is actually going viral right now, trending on X for seemingly using the Bible to message that I should be struck down. And that's not the first time he's done that. We're going to get into it.

And it will come as absolutely no surprise to you guys that Blakey Nef is upset. I thought for sure yesterday at the end of the episode he'd reach out. He would thank us for all of our hard work investigating, for having solved the mystery of who was on the rooftop at Loy Center with Officer Bagley. But no, Blakey says I'm putting innocent lives at risk.

Really? How? It's kind of funny because I would argue that he's doing that when he continually calls for the conviction of Tyler Robinson in the absence of evidence. Anyway, you'll be happy to know that we found another blank space that we can fill again for Officer Baggley.

I'm just looking through this testimony like, "How can I 1 minutehelp? " Another question that he was asked on the stand where his his pregnancy brain started to kick in again. And you guys know I'm here to help. Welcome back to Candace.

Chapter 2: Frank Turek wants to strike me down. Frank Turk. Is it Dr. Frank Turk?

I think it's actually Dr. Frank Turk. May he forever have a platform. May he forever have a platform, ladies and gents.

Because from the very beginning of this investigation, it has been abundantly apparent that the public relations directive has been let them eat Christian slop. Right? Let them eat Christian slop is how we will remember this decade. But sir, how are we going to get them to believe that a bullet that could take down two moose was magically stopped by Charlie's neck?

Oh, remind them how Moses parted the Red Sea. But sir, can we really make them believe that a grieving widow for gave her husband's killer, took over the entire company, and is on a corporate Zoom call laughing at emojis within six days of her husband's public assassination? Tell them Charlie's dancing in heaven with Jesus because of all of the merch sales. Merch sales.

Merch sales. Sir, even for us, the sparkly pants. Letting his enemies open at Afest to attack Charlie's actual friends. It feels a bit soon.

Time to start dropping the biblical verses about the widow, honor the widow. Yeah, Frank Turk is of this exact ilk. The call yourself a pastor. Memorize a few biblical proverbs and use those proverbs to justify literally anything, including evil.

You can justify war. God will bless you if you bless Israel. Really? I think they're raping kids.

God will bless you if you bless Israel. Justify obvious lies, holes in the Charlie Kirk assassination. anything can be justified uh when you get on this like Christian grift. So, he's been trending for the last because on Monday he joined Nicholas Bowling's podcast with this message which has some people concerned.

Take a listen. You know, my friend Charlie Kirk, a good thing. A murderer degraded Charlie by murdering him. Not completely.

I mean, he's still alive. He's just absent from the body, present with the Lord. But the murderer degraded his good body. That's what evil does.

It degrades something good. And and that's what Satan does. In fact, what did um what did the apostles and Jesus call Satan? He's a murderer, a liar, an accuser, a slanderer who wants to steal, kill, and destroy.

Charlie was murdered. What have we had since then? Lies, accusations, and slander. seeking to kill, steal, and destroy.

Or steal, kill, and destroy. This is spiritual warfare. This is demonic activity. Yeah.

I'm talking about Candace Owens. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's ridiculous.

You don't accuse people of murder without evidence, but that's what she's doing left and right. She's insinuating it left and right. That's evil. " So, if you falsely accuse someone of murder and you're found out, you're the one executed.

Wow. If we had those laws today, it would shut down the internet, wouldn't it? Because all we do is we have people accusing other people, insinuating innocent people are guilty for a crime they never committed without evidence. By the way, that's why you need two witnesses in the Bible, right?

You need evidence. You don't falsely accuse people. So this is what evil does. It degrades.

First off, don't you point your finger at me, Frank Turk, pointing your finger at the screen. Okay. Okay. Secondly, you are quite literally describing yourself, Blake Nef, uh, Orbit of Influencers who have been screaming for Tyler Robinson to be convicted and have been unable to produce really any evidence, actually, any evidence which would convince the public that he might have done this.

I mean, the bar was so low. I was ranting at my team today of just how incredibly low the bar was for them to prove to us that, yeah, Tyler Robinson did this, right? All they had to do uh, was show us the video of him taking the shot. All they had to do was somehow connect the gun to the crime scene.

They couldn't do that. Uh all they had to do was show us, I don't know, video, I guess, of him dropping the screwdriver putting together the gun on the rooftop. Nothing. Nothing they have said since the very beginning.

Tyler Robinson's parents turned them in. Had they showed us that? Nope. Instead, we hear a story about Mitch Mitchell, as I told you from the beginning, press undercover officer his entire life, pressuring him to come in peaceibly, otherwise they were going to knock in the doors.

You guys have lied at every single stage of this, including by describing him as a a transgendered or or being in a relationship with somebody that's transgendered. That hasn't checked out. You told us this was a politically motivated murder. We heard testimony from his boyfriend who says, "No, he wasn't into politics.

We never discussed Charlie Kirk ever in our relationship. What have you proven? What have you proven other than the fact that you are really angry that you keep being disproven and more people are recognizing that you didn't tell us the whole truth perhaps or different version of events. By the way, uh Frank, we received an interesting email yesterday and it's fact checked true.

We keep wondering about those gloves in the door compartment. Hey, you've got a platform. Speak to us about this. What were they used for?

You were in the car. You were in the back praying. Because from where I'm sitting, there is currently more evidence that Charlie Kirk was killed from an exploding mic than there is that he was shot from uh Loy Rooftop by Tyler Robinson. Like a lot more evidence in the other direction.

Anyway, you you know I love bluecollar workers. I like people who work with their hands, make hobbies out of working with their hands. And it's because they're the most sensible. They don't really buy the crap.

They don't really buy the influencers, telling them not to believe their own eyes. And there's this guy who uh knows a bit about wood shopping, if you will. He sent me this email and we decided to fact check it. " And I'm not sure where I learned it, but I always remember being told to use black nitro gloves because it's the most resistant to that crazy adhesive.

For example, if you were trying to clean off all the broken pieces of glass from a road microphone that has adhesive on it in a hurry. Well, there you go. OBS, I know you guys will do the research. I feel like it's common knowledge for woodworkers.

Sorry I can't be of more help to point you to anything specific, but thought I'd let you know. God bless you all. Christ is king. Is that true?

Is that true? We looked it up and it turns out it is 100% true. Kept going. What would be the purpose of these gloves?

Frank told us he stuck his fingers right into Charlie's neck. He had blood all over him. He could taste it in his mouth. At what point would he have put on black nitro gloves?

If those are indeed black nitro gloves, who would have used them? Rick's busy. Why isn't his is it in his compartment? We've also broke the story that the 911 call, which is yet to be released.

They hear them in the back saying, "Get that off of him. Could it be? Maybe. Remember John Bray showed us that that glass for the road mic is very, very, very sticky.

Turns out that yes, black nitro gloves are used by woodworkers when they are handling superglue, crazy glue, and it is because it makes it easy to wipe off adhesive. So, I'm just sharing the facts. This is an investigation and everybody's contributing in ways and I'm learning so much on the journey. Anyway, here is another very interesting true story that I can share with you guys.

It's story Chapter 3: Strange story of who was at UVU the day before. time. You can take from it what you will, okay? It's actually regarding Senator Mike Shamway Lee.

Senator Mike Lee of Utah. Didn't expect to hear his name in the story, by the way. He didn't do anything shady. He seems like he's a good guy, actually.

Uh he comes from a very wellto-do family. Uh he actually was born in in Arizona, but uh spent most of his uh upbringing in Utah. His father was actually the founding dean of BYU's law school program. Anyway, Senator Lee was actually slated to attend the Charlie Kirk event at UVU on September 10th.

And I can tell you from experience. That is not unusual. Okay, like I said from the beginning, I immediately noticed what made sense, what didn't make sense. What does typically happen at these events um is that local politicians, local donors may come by, say a few words, because obviously these are their constituents, possibly people who are currently running or planning to run in the future.

We'll go to these sorts of events. None of that strikes me as unusual or odd that he was scheduled to be there. Makes sense. Now, Turning Point USA, of course, was aware that Senator Lee was going to attend, but as the DC story goes, that week the senator had to cancel very early on in the week due to the National Defense Authorization Act, um there were votes that were taking place in DC funding that and so he had to cancel.

Okay. Now, I've got a source that UVU tells me that after the assassination of Charlie, Mike Lee was contacted due to something unusual that took place on campus the day before the shooting. Now, I want to be clear, day before the shooting, Mike Lee had already canled. Okay, that's important for you to know.

11 minutesApparently, there was someone on September 9th who looked remarkably suspicious who was moving about on campus. Stood out. The security went, "This person's behaving oddly. What are they doing?

" And when that suspicious individual was approached, he told the campus security that he was Senator Mike Lee's bodyguard, scoping out the area to ensure that the senator was going to be safe ahead of the event. So they said, "Okay, that makes sense. " The only thing is that that wasn't true. Like I said, by that time, the senator's office had already cancelled their plans.

And I have done some digging and it also appears that Mike Lee is pretty down to earth. He doesn't actually have a security apparatus, a security team. So, just to make that perfectly clear to you, again, Senator Lee didn't do anything wrong. We're not speculating he did whatsoever.

What we are underlining here is that the person that was on UVU's campus had at least enough information to deliver a good sounding excuse, a legitimate sounding excuse in the event that he was stopped while he was scoping out the campus, which he actually was stopped. And there was only a small group of people who would have been privy to that knowledge, who would have been privy of the attendee list. A sensible person might argue that Tyler Robinson would not be among those who was privy to that sort of information. Why would Tyler Robinson know who was going to attend this event?

Certainly Turning Point USA event staff would have known. Club students would have known. Perhaps those at the university who were directly involved in the planning of this event would have known. Maybe UVU police for example would have known this.

But you know that limits the pool. Surely it's an avenue worth exploring. No footage must exist of this mysterious man who appeared to be scoping out the campus the day before who lied about the reason why and tried to blame it on Mike Lee. Had that excuse ready to go in the chamber, if you will.

I call me crazy, but I have a feeling once again that I'm not going to be thanked for bringing this information into the public domain. I just it never goes that way. Anyways, you're welcome, Turning Point USA. Since you say that you really just want to know what happened, there's a start for you.

Erica could call up UVU and ask them about that. See if that's true. She'd call up Mike Lee. He certainly attended the hearing and see if that's true.

Uh she I can't figure out why us bringing forth more viable leads is so naturally upsetting to Turning Point USA. I mean, yesterday we solve officer Baggley's bout of pregnancy brain and Blake Nef comes at us like this on X. He wrote, "In today's episode, Candace starts harassing another random Utah police officer, accuses him of being a dirty cop, suggests that is suspiciously timed that he moved to Utah a year before Charlie's shooting, and then asks people who knew him in the Marines years ago to send her dirt on him so she can harass him some more. We already saw this with a police sergeant that she went after two weeks ago and then got bored with.

Candace feels no shame about harassing any person she feels like just to keep her grift going while maybe hurting a few people along the way. Why so angry, Blakey? You guys all just seem so angry all of a sudden posting people on your platform that are calling for my home to be raided for sharing the video of the guy who certainly looks like he's got some military experience on the rooftop. Why would that make you angry?

Why would people even be discussing my home being raided? Does the FBI not have access to all of the footage? Like, what are you rating me for? Don't you have it?

Why aren't you guys releasing it? I thought the the widow wanted nothing but transparency. Where am I getting it wrong? The messaging here is not landing.

You know, we actually received a press request from the Daily Mail yesterday regarding the footage that we released of the rooftop man and tactical crawling across Loy Center jumping from the roof like Spider-Man. Um, among other questions that they asked me specifically, and I'm I'm serious, they quoted I'm quoting them directly. " Raided by law enforcement? Why would I?

I didn't kill Charlie K. Why would I be raided by law enforcement? Rate us for helping. Consistent messaging to the public was they wanted nothing but transparency.

Dan Bonino, Cash Patel, Erica Kirk, Turning Point USA. We didn't edit the videos. We don't lie about what was on the footage. Power to the people.

Here's the footage. In fact, the influencers are lying. Why don't you raid them? Maybe someone's paying them to lie.

Chapter 4: Officer Bagley and the screwdriver story. Hey, but yesterday we did solve the low sea rooftop mystery. No thank yous. Officer Baggley, um, who I have to say were I seated amongst a jury of my peers, I would label him to be unconvincing in his presentation.

But don't worry, they're not going to call me uh on the jury. I don't think so. I I have to say in my opinion I am not believing the rooftop screwdriver story. Something feels wrong there.

Um there's a reason for that. First and foremost I want to say they want us to forget the origins of the screwdriver story. Right. When we first learned about the screwdriver, it was less than after Charlie was assassinated.

We learned about the screwdriver because someone in law enforcement leaked information to the press. Except when they initially leaked the information, they said that the roof it was found with the rifle near the rifle, not on Los Rooftop. Okay. They said the screwdriver was found near the rifle rifle.

And I can show you that. Here's a throwback headline from September 11th. Here is CNN. And yes, they have um you don't have to like CNN to recognize that they are a state apparatus part of the project Bockingbird.

" According to a source with knowledge of the investigation, investigators believe this to be an indication that the shooter may have used it to disassemble and reassemble the firearm before using it. Removing the stock would help the shooter conceal the weapon in a bag or even in his clothing, they believe. So, when this article got released, there was a bunch of backlash. just sounded so foolish to people again.

These are your bluecollar common sense people and they revolted and said this is not he he assembled reassembled what are we talking about and then left the screwdriver with the gun you guys found 18 minutesit all together. So what what happened next was due to that public revolt at the inherent stupidity the inherent improbability of the story which was unfolding uh they kind of took a breather and 4 days later we hear from Cash Patel and Dan Bonino and they clarify that you know the footage is grainy uh but the screwdriver was actually found on the rooftop and that's what brought us to officer Bagley's unusual testimony where his body cam dies seemingly without warning at exactly the right time. And there's a ton of warning that should have been happening. It should have been beeping.

It should have been uh flashing red. Maybe this is a a reason why he uh doesn't want to mention who he was with going to Loi. " Well, we actually have some other news that can help officer back. I'm so excited.

I love helping. I I'm just so charitable, you know. And it's this time it's pertaining to a different portion of his testimony where he seems to kind of get a little fuzzy on the details and say something doesn't really make sense, but I'm going to take him at his word. Now, to jog your memory, this is how officer Bagley responded to what I think is a rather clear question that was asked by Tyler Robinson's defense attorney.

Take a listen. When you reviewed the videotape at the police department later, did you check to see if anyone had been on the Los building after the shooting after this individual had jumped off that you've already talked about? Was there anybody else on the roof? Did you check and see in that gap of time?

In that gap of time, no. So, once I put up the barrier, I only walked walked up to about that point. Then I went down and reviewed the video from that moment on. So, were you able to see are you able to say for one way or the other if anyone else had been on that roof in between when the person jumped off the building and when you came on the roof?

Are you able to say one way or the other? Uh, there was people up there looking for an individual that ran that way because when I first got told the individual ran heading north that we didn't know where the shooter was, so we started climbing up and looking clearing the building. And it wasn't until I went to the PD and actually saw him jump off of the building that I knew he was off the building. Let me rephrase that because I think I'm I either asked it badly or you misunderstood me.

So, let me let me go back again. So, from the time that the individual that you spotted on the video jumped off the roof, right? The individual that you thought was in the prone position. Okay.

Between that and when you got on the roof, did you ever check to see if anybody else had been on the roof in that period of time? Yeah. And I didn't see anybody. So, you did?

I didn't notice anybody. Yeah. You didn't did you look on the video to see that entire Okay, that's what I'm asking. So, you did not review the video to see if there was someone between you that individual jumping off and you coming on if anybody had been on or disturbed that scene in any way.

Okay. I felt like the question was pretty simple. Was anybody on the rooftop before you after Charlie goes down? Did anybody was anybody on that rooftop before you?

And um yeah. Hey, this is 10 months later. So, I'm assuming obviously you work at the police department. You work at UVU.

You have access to the videos, right? Wouldn't that be just like a normal part of your investigation to see exactly what happened once you determined that this person jumped off the rooftop? Wouldn't you have watched every single second leading to the moment that you secured after afterward leading up to the moment that you secured the rooftop? Alfa says he didn't do that.

He doesn't know. No, he has no he did not prep for this. He just he's just showing up. He's just showing up here at court.

Didn't prep. Didn't want to get answers. Lack of curiosity. Lack lack of I guess like investigative lust.

He just was like, I don't know. Just got off that rooftop. Didn't do anything. Did I don't I didn't even investigate why or how my my body cam footage.

I don't know anything. I don't even know who was up the rooftop with me. That's a pretty important question. And I can exclusively tell you guys that the answer to that question is yes.

Yes, somebody did get on that rooftop before you, didn't he, Officer Bagley? Well, maybe you don't know, but I'm telling you, woo, sigh of relief. Yeah, someone got up on that rooftop. And why is that important?

That's important because if Officer Bagley said that he found a screwdriver and somebody was on that rooftop after that went off, it's plausible that this unknown person could have planted the screwdriver. But I I think it's something Officer Bagley should do. He should review the footage to see who was on that rooftop after the alleged shooter and before he got on the rooftop. Does that make sense to you, Officer Beckley?

It's very easy. Person you say shot Charlie Kirk, jumped off. m.? And the answer is yes.

By the way, Turning Point USA could definitely be forthcoming about this stuff. That's weird that they just have nothing. Chapter 5: Alan Robertson update. I also want to add here as an important update because we were asking a lot of questions specifically about Allan Robinson who formerly was of the San Bernardino police um and he moved to Utah.

But we had brought up the Brady list and then we got a ton of emails of people that were actually spelling his name wrong. Allan is spelled A L, not A L Len. So they were sending us a bunch of stuff on a different Allen. A L L E N.

It is not him. Uh we were actually inundated in a way that the pattern here tells me that this this what I'm hearing is the truth. People associated with San Bernito Police Station. He said he abs absolutely was not let go or transferred over any conduct issues.

He had served years there. He left willfully because he wanted to raise his kids somewhere outside of the city. Um and he obviously San Bernino is like a whole different scene and he left apparently on very good terms. So I want to provide that update uh because that's why we were asking for information.

So they were not sure entirely why he had an entry with no details on the Brady list. And I also want to say that we've covered a lot of people on the show and we get a ton of emails being like this person is shady or you should look into this. This was the first time that we got a lot of emails of people who were saying that um Allan was actually a a good guy and we got an answer by the way of why he was on that campus which I should have kind of thought through because this is kind of common sense. He's a USU officer and don't forget that unusually Charlie had an event 10 days later back in Utah that was supposed to take place at USU.

So they were not there in coordination with Charlie's team or in coordination with 25 minutesUVU. They were there because they were doing a threat assessment for their event that was 10 days later. Uh him and his partner that I'm forgetting his name uh the other person who was guarding. So they were doing their threat assessment and then this took place and then they jumped in and started helping.

But they were not there. I can confirm they were not there in coordination with Charlie security or in coordination with UVU police on that day. So their presence there was actually not a matter of chance but a matter of an event that was happening 10 days later down the road essentially and so they were like they were monitoring the event and then things went off. So we um like I said received a ton of emails and I said as we get information we can update you.

I it was enough people that were in enough places that I trusted this and also uh they because of their presence would have had to make police reports obviously. So it's just very odd that officer Bagley is pretending he couldn't find out who these officers were when they were in communication with his chief. They obviously we see that on the video. um they were on the low se rooftop and he has access or presumably all the UVU police officers would have access to that footage to be able to answer that question for him.

It makes entirely no sense. So, um yeah, that's what I have for you. I wanted to update you so we can answer questions that we bring up on here. A lot more questions, a lot more emails that we were receiving about officer Baggley, however, and his history.

And there were not many people or any people in our inbox that were defending Christopher Bagley, which is interesting. My gut tells me that he could have answered more questions had he had wanted to answer more questions while he was on the stand. So, what gives? I don't know.

We'll be right back after a brief break.

I'm reading somebody's comment just kind of live here and they said, uh, if you go back and watch officer Baggley's testimony, I can confirm this, he actually does slip and say Allen at one point, so he definitely knew who the person was. I'll have to go back and see if that's correct if he did say the name Allen in court, and I'll update you guys.

Also, my producer in my ear said that I accidentally said Allan Robinson. Obviously, I'm autocorrecting and just saying Robinson because he's been saying Tyler Robinson for so long, but it was Alan Robertson. And yes, um, by all accounts, it seems like he left by on his own valition and he just he has young kids and wanted to leave the city life. So, we can, um, shut down that lead.

I love when I get answers to questions that we have and hopefully more information is going to come out um about what his testimony is in terms of what happened on the roof. And um, he obviously would not have had access to the same stuff that Officer Baggley should have had access to to be able to answer those questions. So, it's giving shady Baggley. It's giving shady.

Okay, Chapter 6: Update on my security guard's health. couple more updates for you guys. Um, you're not going to believe this. This is kind of amazing.

Immediately update on Ian. Um, that is the name of my security person uh that all the stuff happens to in Russia. We had a person reach out who is in the country music world who does not want to be named or get any credit and he is going to pay for the entire thing which is just like incredible just absolutely incredible. Uh he's going to pay for his entire stay and rehabilitation in Florida.

Again does not want any credit for it whatsoever. But I wanted to let you guys know because you've been on this journey. We got so many emails from you, people um that are just in military families who have had similar experiences trying to help in whatever way that you can while we now have an actual solution. So, the next update that I will be giving you hopefully we will be saying that he's sprinting down the driveway on his own and like I said, he is in a very good mental like mental space.

He just is very confident that he can do it and just has kind of that Navy Seal mentality. Um, so I just wanted to say that that I an absolute blessing occurred and I woke up to news of that this morning and person who shall not be named. I just can't say to you enough how grateful my family is and also to Russia's Ministry of Health, how grateful we are, everybody that was involved in this, Joe family, the Catholic family that lives in Russia who went and visited him, uh, brought their children to lift up his spirits to the team that was in Russia, the babushkas that cried when he left. just I just love everyone so much and it just is such a warming story and the things that happen and go right to the special forces people be saying that in Russia who were everyone was just amazing.

Everyone stepped up to the plate and this is like such a beautiful thing to find out when I woke up this morning. So I wanted to give you guys an update in Chapter 7: Hotel Turning Point stayed in on 9/10. other news and other updates, other investigations, us being helpful, never ever ever getting the credit. remember uh we were helping Blake who blanked out uh remember the hotel that he stayed in the night of September 10th.

He at first thought he stayed in Orum, then said he maybe misspoke. Then he remembered that actually no, he stayed in Salt Lake City. And as always, we thought, wow, if he's getting early amnesia, we need to assist him. And no one saw he didn't he doesn't remember where what he did when he was in Salt Lake City.

He didn't even remember that he was with Danny Phillip or where him and Danny Phillip went, how they got the whole thing is crazy. But at least we got some sort of an answer on the hotel, right? We were able to determine that the some members at least of the Turning Point USA team stayed at the Asher Adams um autograph collection hotel in Salt Lake City. Now, we can't say definitively that Blake Nef was with them, but Andrew Kovat did in fact do a news hit from his hotel room, which internet sleuths were able to track 34 minutesdown.

This is like Don't F with cats if you've ever seen that documentary. Just look at the picture in the background and they start to piece things and here is Andrew Kovette on Benny Johnson's show on September 11th. It's a still here that we're showing you. And that was all it took.

I just love the internet. Internet Slooh's got him and Tyler Boyer. And here's the Asher Adams Hotel. There it is.

Bang. Look at that. Blakey, ask and you shall receive. Now, Blakey, now with that jogging your memory, do you remember that you were at Would you remember whether or not you were stayed at the same hotel as Andrew?

I don't know. We're just um we're here to help. We're always here to help. Chapter 8: The Iran war and Sky News' investigation into the school bombing.

A lot of things are happening right now uh where it feels like evil is ratcheting up. They just seem angsty. They're angry. They're yelling.

And it's because I think we kind of all have had the scales fallen from our eyes. We recognize what this government is and that it's left and right and these people are positively disgusting. And I don't know if you guys remember, of course you remember, but at the beginning of the Iranian war, which is causing all of this craziness. They know they can't win it.

They don't want to admit it. And I was just ranting at my husband this morning over breakfast. " Okay, you don't need to know no things to like if someone came to me and I was president of United States and they were like, "Ma'am, we're going to take Iran. " Okay.

How stupid do you have to be to believe that you could like we'll take Russia in a week? Oh, really? Really? I feel like it's been around.

It's been around. Iran's been around for a long time. Okay. And inexplicably at the beginning of this war, for quite literally no reason, it still remains to me to be inexplicable, the United States at the instruction presumably of Israel, bombed an elementary school in Iran, a primary school.

It's an elementary school in Iran. 156 people were murdered, including 120 students and 26 teachers. And the craziest part of the story is that the United States tried to deny it. Like, I just want you to process how badly our government lies.

" Like, you don't you don't know that you you bombed a school. At first, Trump actually came out and he said, "No, we didn't do it. " Pete Hexth followed up with the same message. So, we don't we don't we don't kill innocents.

Only Iran does that. " And then the days that followed, it was revealed that it tomahawks missiles were used and that's only used by the United States that struck the school. " Like he just wasn't sure whether or not they bombed a school. Like you just do that and you're not sure if you did that.

Like like he's remembering whether or not he brushed his teeth that morning. I don't know. We'll investigate. I don't know if we dropped uh missiles actually.

37 minutesAnd then they pivoted to Israel's preferred line. You know, Hamas builds tunnels beneath the schools. That's why we do it. " Another complete lie exposed not by the IRGC but Western News.

Okay. Sky News did an entire investigation. You should watch the entire piece. They debunked every attempt that uh the US tried to put out.

It's like they never even said sorry and by trying to lie and say a school held missiles. Take a listen to just this little brief cliff clip. Mr. President, did the United States bomb a girl's elementary school in southern Iran on the first day of the war and kill 175 people?

My opinion, based on what I've seen, that was done by Iran. Is that true, Mr. Hex? It was Iran who did that.

We're certainly investigating. Still investigating. The only the only side that targets civilians is Iran. A day after these remarks, an Iranian state- linked news agency released footage showing a strike on buildings nearby.

Filmed in the afternoon on the day the school was struck, the distinctive tail fins [music] of a Tomahawk missile can be clearly seen. America is the only force in this conflict that uses tomahawks. In another clip, you see the school being hit that morning, but it's not possible to see what missile is used. 5 days after the Tomahawk footage comes out, Defense Secretary Pete Hegsth confirms America is [music] conducting a formal military investigation.

We know that Tomahawk missiles are typically fired from ships and submarines. And we know that on the day of the attack, America had a carrier strike group in the area. This is I'll get up for you a satellite image of their carrier strike group with the USS 39 minutesAbraham Lincoln aircraft carrier and then three warships around it in the Arabian Sea 3 days before the attack. We have another image which we've been able to use to place them on the day of the attack based on the information shown on this monitor here.

And that puts the carrier strike group right within range of Minab. These are precisiong guided missiles. They follow a programmed path. They have cameras on the front that can watch what they're doing in real time.

They're some of the most uh precise weapons that the US has. We know that by this point Iranian media was already reporting that a school had been hit and the US should have known by that point that at the very least doing more strikes would have been in the vicinity of that school. One analyst reviewing intelligence on potential targets did reportedly spot the school [music] in 2019. Allegedly, they noted changes on an unlin intelligence tool, [music] but it wasn't passed up the chain.

The reason I'm showing you that is because you should go and you should watch that entire piece. Guy News did an incredible job on that because it's really important for you to understand how much our government hates us. They think we are so stupid. I mean the it's one thing to say like, "Hey, we did this by accident and we need to come out.

" It is another thing to routinely feed slop to the masses and to do it while claiming you have the upper hand to have willfully It was not a mistake. You bombed at the beginning of this in elementary school using what? Intel? Do you understand how advanced our our military technology is?

They knew every body that was moving in that school and they chose to bomb it. My honest belief, my honest belief is because we are looking at people who worship Bal and it was a sacrifice to demons. Ball consistently must have sacrifices. They It's why they love to murder children.

They're constantly murdering children. There's no reason why at the opening of this outside of a pagan sacrifice to demons that you murdered children and then lied about it to your own people until it became inescapable and you had to acknowledge and then you really didn't acknowledge or apologize and you just kind of moved on and it's very important that you realize these people what they are doing in the Middle East is the plan for America. I believe that from the bottom of my heart. That is why I have used my platform in every possible way to awaken people to this.

Forget the left versus right. This is a a colony in the Middle East. I'm referring to Israel that worships Bal, worships murder. They are obsessed with death.

It it's constant destruction. And I wanted to also show you now they're telling Trump, who's already done this, to arm protesters in Iran. Buddy, there's no more protesters in Iran. If people did not like their government and then you started murdering their kids and bombing their bridges and striking their water so they can't drink water, they're going to go, "Okay, actually maybe Americans aren't the good guys anymore.

You're actually unifying Iran in this moment because of what we're doing and we have no business doing. We have no business being there outside of like Zionist rage and ambition. " And yes, if you think that people that lie like that would not be capable of hiding up the murder of Charlie Kirk, they just killed 150 kids and didn't blink when they lied to you. This is our government.

We have to contend with this. And who is he taking advice from? Whose call was he taking? Who is he retweeting?

Psychos like actual psychopaths like Mark Levvin who wants now people in Iran to be armed because they know they can't do this without our sons and our daughters putting feet on the ground in Iran. Take a listen to Mark Levvin being overtaken by a demon. He claimed that the Iranian resistance has hidden crude weaponry and tools throughout the country. Bricks, rocks, wooden clubs, chairs, and tires used to block roads, waiting for the day that the people once again take to the street.

Will we not arm these people and help them? Will we not arm these people and help them? They want to fight. They want to defend themselves.

They want to overthrow this government. What's the problem? I don't understand it. I really don't understand it.

Small groups are working clandestinely to procure firearms to distribute to demonstrators utilizing guns stored in certain private homes and smuggled from abroad. You know, we're talking about very few. The protest leader claimed they didn't specify who would be providing these weapons. There's clearly not enough.

There's clearly not what they need. If we give them what they need, they will overthrow this government. When we went out in January, we were like lambs to the slaughter. The the Baz forces were using firepower.

You couldn't believe the streets were like a graveyard. Corpses everywhere. The streets ran red with blood, she said. Ran red with blood.

" Well, they're not going to come out armed if we don't arm them. Now, let's arm them. These are the people that are advising the president of United States who actually believe that they were going to take Iran in two weeks. That's the state of affairs in America.

It's just important to understand that. Obviously, we are now all uniting all across the world. I have no quarrel with Iran. No quarrel anything to me my whole life.

Nope. seems like they've been around a long time. It's not my business. Like I said, I would never allow my sons to sign up for the military.

People who have served in the military, speaking to um our security who had the stroke, like never been treated with more dignity than in Russia. What what are we doing? It's something has to stop. And um I think the first thing that has to stop is our ignorance about the fact that we have people who demand nonstop blood sacrifice even from their friends running our government.

Anyway, we'll take a quick break and we'll get to some of your comments.
Chapter 9: Comments. Okay. A top comment from yesterday's episode. I loved this one from Alana.

" [laughter] Love that. The kids are yanking. You're banking. That's I mean that's just what we do.

That's what we do here. Dog Whisperer writes, "Blake don't remember nothing. He don't. " I even want to know like how Blake got back to Arizona because, you know, he talks about how he just was Charlie's best.

I don't believe anything about Charlie being close to Blake. He Blake is just such so obviously someone that Charlie and I would have been like had a nickname for because how could you not? Like we watch Blake here and we're just sort of like how is this how is it possible that someone could be so fundamentally unlikable and so fundamentally unbelievable in everything that he says and does. Total lack of talent taking on the show the Beus and Buttad show cosplaying as a Charlie Kirk show.

It's just it's just amazing to me. And the only reason he's sitting there is because Tucker Carlson uh did what he could to help him after he got let go from the from Fox for being a psycho. Generally just being a psycho. And how does he repay Tucker?

By targeting him. So it's not hard for us to imagine Blake that you may have betrayed Charlie because look at what you did to Tucker. Look at what you do to Tucker. Anyway, uh comments from today's episode.

Isabella writes, "Why would Erica honored Charlie's wishes regarding a Catholic funeral? They betrayed him in his life. Why be faithful in his death? " That's what's odd about the entire thing and why we covered um this idea of a mock funeral that was done and potentially him being cremated.

She said, "Why would a Catholic funeral home conduct a mock funeral and then cremate him? " That is correct. And we actually looked it up and for whatever reason, I don't know why, maybe a relic of the 60s in Arizona, there is there are Catholic um funeral homes that do offer cremation services. It is positively wild to me, but we were able to confirm that.

Um and I I don't have an answer for as to why that is, but you are correct on the doctrine. " And what is the thanks I get? " For what? What are you looking for that you don't have?

You're the FBI. You're the FBI. Like I said, the information is decentralized. Everybody has it.

Everybody's waiting. This is the first time an investigation has been done like this. And it's because Charlie's life really mattered to a lot of people. And the level of deceit and betrayal, well, it is definitively biblical in proportions.

We've never seen anything like this. Not even JFK story has these 50 minutessorts of elements and threads that we're pulling at right now. Tagalong Kiwi writes, "Those with true spiritual discernment can see straight through UTP USA. You will all stand before God one day alone to answer for this.

Go Max, Candace. Especially while growing another beautiful human being. Some can see the truth all the way from New Zealand. Uh, thank you so much.

And you are correct. It just it the dishonesty is just radiating, right? They're just they don't even know how to play not guilty. Their first thing to do when we release the footage rather than saying thank you is to try to debunk it.

Like, oh, a baby could do that crawl. Like, what do you why are you saying that? Like any normal person looks at and went, this person looks experienced. What what psychological operation do you think you can impart upon the people to make them think believe that this was just some inexperienced 20 to try on his first assassination after eating a Chick-fil-A sandwich and wrapped to go get a steak?

Like I mean like do you really think you have like magical psychological powers? You guys have been reading too much Sigman Freud. That's the problem. Spiritual discernment is on the rise right now.

You can feel it. The energy is building and we're happier too and that matters too. Like we're happier because there's nothing about the truth that should upset you, but there's a whole lot about lies when they come undone that should upset you and frustrate you and make you angry. " H maybe theirs died, too.

That's a great question. That is a great question and hopefully more will come out. Um, as this unfolds in the courthouse, as this trial unfolds, like I said, I'm team turning point and wanting this to go forward cuz it's already so absurd that I just think it's going to be a massive revelation to how corrupt our government is and people need to see it. What we've seen thus far is unbelievable and yet we are being told to believe it.

Kiwi writes, "God is good. Christ is king. May he protect Candace in the name of Jesus and may he bless everyone in the pursuit of truth. Yes, keep the prayers going because they keep us safe.

I love that this person's username is yanking banking and they say Christ is king. It's it's a thing now, Frank. We don't say mean stuff about you. We don't say you should be struck down.

He's also used other similar rhetoric, by the way. " Like, why would you say that, Frank? Why is death on your mind so much? Frank, why don't you just come sit down with me, answer some questions?

Maybe there's a a total reasonable explanation for the gloves, how they got there, why everybody forgot about them. We'd like to hear it. I said, I like to ask questions like I did about Allen Robertson, get the answers, then immediately share that so people can go, "Okay, we don't have to look into this because he actually decided to leave after serving uh in a city for a long time. wanted some more space for his kids.

I did the same thing. I left a inner city DC and came to Tennessee. Why can't you guys just be that simple and just like get us some information that makes sense? Anyway, if you'd like to support our show, you guys know where to go.

We have merch available on the website. We also have new signed bundles of Blackout and Make Him a Sandwich because we were sold out and so I signed a ton more in the last two weeks. My hand hurts. Um but yeah, we're reading Make a Sandwich right now.

We're actually wrapping that up next week. I I after doing that book I was I should have made that book longer. It was such a great read and so fun to do. But you can buy a signed bundle and um also you could just buy a mug to support us.

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The hunter green one is the one that I wear around town and I think people think I'm actually in the CIA. Anyway, you guys, um, thank you for all the support thus far. Stay happy. Remember that iron sharpens iron.

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Part 1 of 5

PROOF They Lied!” - Charlie Kirk Investigator vs. Forensics Expert on COVERUP | Baron & JSM • 459
Julian Dorey and Baron Coleman
Aug 7, 2026 Julian Dorey Podcast



In this video Chapters Transcript Search transcript Search transcript Chapter 1: Baron & JSM Examine the Kirk Evidence [music] I'm so glad you did not get stuck in Newark airport for like the 50th time. You are like the Tom Hanks of the terminal of the New York airport, Baron. This guy, every time he flies here, Newark just shuts down and he gets stuck sleeping on the floor there. So, it's a black cloud.

It's a black cloud for you. It is. Yeah. I was digging it though for a while.

For a while. Yeah. Yeah. They had me down the international terminal and that was they had circles everybody was in their own little ethnic groups and I was left out in the cold.

So I spent the night down there. You puddled. That's good. Well, we had a great podcast yesterday, Baron.

So now we got both you in here. Obviously, Joseph, you were in here a few weeks ago. Been on the show a bunch of different times talking about cases. We of course are going through the Charlie Kirk case.

This man Baron Coleman is like the dude online. is what is it 152 episodes in counting now? It sounds close. Something.

Yeah. I I honestly don't know the number, but it sounds about right. It's a lot. He's live streaming three, four times a week, going through every single piece of it.

And so I thought after people had been requesting you to come on, of course, I was going to bring you on and then I had done the episode with you. And my thought was I'd probably have Baron on like two months later. I ended up doing that way faster cuz I think it'd be way more effective with the two of you in here. Baron, you're obviously like a lifelong litigator.

Joseph, you're a lifelong forensics expert. Those are two different pieces of this case. Baron, you've covered a lot of the context around the case, building up to it, motives, stuff like that. That's less your lane, Joseph.

You're more looking at the investigation, what could have been right, what could have been wrong. So, we had a chance to all hop on a Zoom and talk for an hour and go through some ideas of like how we might approach this. And so, I think today what would be good is to kind of go through different parts of the case. and obviously break down what you think could have happened from an investigative standpoint, what did actually happen, what's been reported to happen, and then you can fire away with all the many questions you have surrounding things that seem suspect about this Baron.

Hey guys, three quick things. Number one, if you haven't subscribed, please subscribe. It's a huge, huge help. Number two, if you'd like to join my Patreon for early uncensored releases of the full episodes, you can join via the link in my description or in the pin comment below.

And number three, if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make content from the show and make money, you can join via the Discord link in my description below. But to begin, just for people who somehow have not seen you online at this point, Baron, I'd like you to just introduce yourself and your background. And Joseph, for people who haven't seen you on my show before, I'd like you to introduce your background and then we'll go from there. Uh Baron Coleman, been a uh lawyer for the last 20 years.

done civil defense litigation, medical malpractice litigation, um, uh, political consulting, lobbying, um, broadcasting. I don't know, man. I feel like I've done everything. Got a podcast right now, um, on YouTube.

Just if you Google Baron Coleman, it'll be the first thing that comes up. You forgot the tax collecting part. Oh, I did do seven and a half weeks with the Alabama Department of Revenue. That's right.

I'm on to this guy. I I probably processed your your tag at one point, Joseph. Oh lord. It's all right.

I worked at a bank before this, so you know, people run with it. Joseph. Yeah, sure. Uh, let's see.

21 years now in academia. Um, currently at Jacksonville State University. Uh, I'm distinguished scholar of applied forensics there. And prior to that, I was the senior investigator with the medical examiner in Atlanta.

And prior to that, I was with the Jefferson Parish Coroner's Office in uh New Orleans. And so started my career there. So been at it for about 40 years, I guess. Quick question on that, too, because it's something I mess up all the time, but you know, people all of us out here like we'll interchange terms like medical examiner and coroner, which I think is totally understandable.

But if there is like some sort of difference between the two, how would you define that? Yeah. So typically corers are elected. All right?

And even in Louisiana where I started my career, the coroners there are elected. But by state law, you have to be an MD in order to run for coroner. Whereas in other places, uh there are other states where you can have as little education as a GED uh to run for the office. It's one of the oldest offices that falls under under the umbrella of um [snorts] British common law.

It's actually mentioned in the Magna Carta. It's like one of four words that you can actually sheriff, baiff, coroner, and there's one other I can't remember, but you can actually see in like the 27th paragraph. Medical examiners though are physicians and typically they're board certified forensic pathologist and so if you look at at their background you got to go to medical school obviously that's four years. Then if you get a pathology residency that's five years.

So that's anatomical and clinical. Then if you want to become a forensic pathologist, you have to do an additional year of uh a forensic fellowship. And there's I don't know there's probably 24 I think in the nation. We had one in Atlanta.

We took two students per year, one international, one national. And um it's it's rigorous strength. It's like one of the few jobs you can get in medicine where the more education and training you get, the less money you make because at the end of the day, if you're a forensic pathologist, unless you become a private consultant, you're going to be a bureaucrat. So, that's what it comes down to.

So, there's a lot of bureaucrats out there too in different offices across the country who probably don't [snorts] do as good a job maybe because of the qualifications. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That that would be I think that that that would be a reasonable statement. And there's there's not a lot of them. There's just not a lot of forensic pathologists that are out there. Um not many.

Um you know, you you can beat around the country and um and they're not going to go to like the small rural areas of the country because there's not enough cases. So, you know, the state I live in, like the bodies literally from where I am, they have to be transported two and a half hours to get to a forensic pathologist for those autopsies to be conducted. Yeah. So, they're u there's probably more neurosurgeons out there, I'm sure there are, than forensic pathologist.

Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Well, let's start right at the beginning of the case, obviously, where Charlie is assassinated and he gets hit with something which is up for a lot of debate. So Baron, you and I had a chance to go into some of this yesterday in what will be the previous episode, but what the state has said is that a German Mouser rifle that belonged to Tyler Robinson's grandfather is what they allege shot Charlie Kirk with a 306 from the rooftop 138 yards away. And according to what they say, the bullet did not exit.

It hit him here where the corateed jugular and what's the other one? Uh the external jugular. External jugular. any of the structures, bony structures.

So, it hit him there. Obviously, we also lost a lot of blood, but what were your biggest issues with that part as far as what we've heard from the state at this point where you have a lot of open questions? " And they get ballistics gel and they get dummies and they get cows and pigs and ham hawks and legs and thighs and thigh bones and femurss and and they keep taking this hot over and over and over. And I watched hundreds or thousands of rounds go through this and nobody can replicate the stop shot.

Nobody can get it to stop at all inside of anything. 30-06 Oddities uh steel plates and and concrete cinder blocks and and I mean they just stack stuff up and they cannot get the shot to stop inside of it. And and so you look and and as I'm watching it, I'm thinking, man, maybe he wasn't shot with a 306. Maybe maybe it was it was another gun from another location.

Maybe it was, you know, Chris Martinson had come along at this point. We talked about this yesterday. " And at the time, we didn't know what kind of round it was. We didn't know if it was handloaded.

We didn't know if it was frangible. We didn't know if it was a soft point. We didn't know if it was a full metal jacket. We didn't know what the grain was.

We know all that now. Um, they showed us the box of rounds that it came out of, or they they told us the box of rounds that it came out of. uh we got to see the the spent casing that it came out of. And so now we know a little more about it and I think it's even less likely um that you know you you could come up with a scenario intellectually and you could say yeah you know but bullets do weird things and they they they you know dump a lot of energy and that energy disperses inside a a living human.

You can go through that scenario but if you can't ever replicate it ever you can never redo I mean science is replication. If you can't replicate something, it's not science. It's a guess. It's a hypothesis.

" And it's it's irreucible. As far as I'm concerned, it can't be reproduced. And so, if there's if there's some theoretical basis upon which you could mathematically explain that it might be able to happen, I'm willing to accept it. And I told you yesterday, I'm open to the fact that Tyler Robinson shot him with a 36.

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Please support our show and tell them I sent you. Yeah. Do you think if you had to forget the rest of the case and who it was, just pretend it wasn't Charlie Kirk, it was any kind of case where we saw someone shot from this far away and and what obviously happened with a lack of exit wound. If you had to go into court and prove that a 306 did it, I guess that would be from the prosecution side.

You believe that you would have an extremely difficult case in front of you to do that and convince a jury that that happened? Yeah, because jurors are not required to leave their common sense at the door. And in fact, in an opening, a good defense lawyer will tell them that in the opening. You guys can you can't bring in any fact-based knowledge about this case.

The only thing you're allowed to learn about this case is going to come from that witness stand and what the judge tells you you can consider. And if the judge says you cannot consider something, you are not permitted to consider it. But at the same time, you're not required to unpack all the common sense, all your lived experiences, put them in a suitcase, put them by the courtroom door, walk in, make a determination, pick it back up, and leave on your way out. You're allowed to consider your lived experiences.

This is Utah. It's a rural place. It is a u these people are not unfamiliar with firearms. They're just not unfamiliar with firearms.

You're not either. You fire a lot in your life. Yeah, I shoot and and and am a a fan. " And not just makes sense, not that it's possible.

Again, the standard is reasonable doubt, right? Almost absolutely certain. You know, a a reasonable person could not disagree with this outcome on any one of these elements, including that it was a 306. And I I think that's a very very steep burden considering now you you're going to be able to pay an expert to come in and say it's possible, right?

Yeah. You I mean you can pay any expert and I say this as someone who's hired a lot of experts. Um it's not unlike most professions. You you're paying them for a service.

What do you need me to say? Okay, I'll be h I can I can come up with a mathematical scenario where that's possible. I can tell you examples of how it might have happened. I can you know experts are allowed to hypothesize.

So, I can I can tell you a way in which it might happen. Well, the defense is going to go find somebody who's going to say impossible, not possible. And so, you're this is ultimately going to come down to a battle of the experts. You're going to have an expert from the prosecution side.

You're going to have an expert from the defense side, but and you're going to have a jury of 12 decide which expert they like better on that issue. And but they're also going to have their lived experiences. They're going to have their common sense. If you've ever fired a 300 6, you know that sound.

It's different from a 308. It's different from a 223. It's a deep, big, powerful sound. It's a huge round.

It's like firing a cannon. " You're going to have 15 minutesto have a really powerful expert from the prosecution to overcome that that lived experience. Joseph, if you if we didn't have a video of it, because obviously most cases you went to in your life, it's not like you had a video of the shot happening [laughter] pretty much. I wish I had.

Yeah. Right. That would have made it easier. M but without even the video.

So starting with just looking at it, if you got to the scene, let's say same scenario, the the body was taken off the scene obviously because they had tried to do life-saving measures and you were able to get witnesses there to describe what had happened. What would be the number one questions you'd be asking them about what they would have observed on the body so that you could make a determination or some hypothesis on what might have killed him? Well, I think from the perspective of and this is to the exclusion of not having a video is what we're saying here. So, right.

So, I think that probably [sighs] uh from my perspective just talking to people and not having uh not having videography and not having a body to see at the scene in place. Uh my big question first off I always ask about sound and that's one of the common things that we go you know what did you hear you know sight is one thing but what what did you hear you know and then you consider the dynamics of this environment that this place is in because where he was perched is down in a hole essentially and they're saying that this round was fired from an elevated position. Well sound can be deceiving you know and we've seen this played out over and over and over. I've seen it played out, you know, on the street, you know, relative to cases that we might work.

Um, because you don't know what the point of origin is, but you want to get as many perspectives as you can relative to this. Right now, you have this huge collection of people that were there, right? Um, and how many direct statements did they take at that moment in time? So, I I would personally start with sound.

What did you hear it? 17 minutesAt what point in time did you hear it? And then what did you see? Where were you standing when you saw this?

How far away were you when you saw this? And what was your initial response? Because people will say they heard something and then they didn't follow the rest. They didn't follow the rest of what's being played out before them.

They'll turn away. They'll duck. You'll have all this kind of dynamic this dynamic environment. You can actually see it in the video.

You'll see people, you know, kind of reacting like this. And then so you you're going to have multiple POVs on this as well. And again, this this particular case is separate from anything I've ever worked like this. You know, like where even if I had a huge collection of people, biggest collection of people I've ever had that actually witnessed a shooting was under a hundred people.

They're saying thousands, maybe 3,000, I'm not really sure that were there that day. So, that many witnesses, that many eyes on this situation, I'm very curious as to what these statements are going to be like. Little sidebar here. I don't know if this will be helpful.

If it's not, just ignore it. But you were on the scene of the ritual of the Richard Jewel case, which was a bombing, right, in 1996 at the Atlanta Olympics, right? Okay. So, that's not a gunshot.

It's a bombing. But the same kind of questions that you're wondering right there with what is in this case a gunshot where you ask and we had videography with that too. You did? Oh yeah.

Yeah. You can see the explosion Jack Mack and the heart attack were playing at the there was a concert and the actual actual single fatality that we had who was a school teacher from South Georgia. She was standing there and she was standing adjacent to like a bronze statue. And if she had been standing one foot to the left when that thing detonated, she would have lived.

But she caught a sheet metal screw in her eye and went into her her uh brain stem. So yeah, we had videography of that. Of course, it wasn't the quality that these things rise to today, but I mean, can you imagine? Plus, you had a lot of injured people there, right?

We were very fortunate that night. But you're asking similar questions about the dynamics and everything because they're obviously ducking for cover. Same situation. Okay.

What about the kinetic energy? You and I had talked about this in episode 448 and there's a lot of debate on that. But if [snorts] you fire any gun, let's just start with that center mass. Obviously, you know, you're hitting it where it can most kind of explode across and actually have the energy evenly distribute.

If you fire it off mass, it might behave a little differently. I don't know. To me, it still is very suspect that there wouldn't be an exit wound or anything like that. But would it be possible for [snorts] a 30 six to not exit in your opinion if it doesn't hit center mass and actually hits on on this side where there's more arteries and I don't know.

Yeah, softer tissue is what you're referring to. And you know because you're you are left of the midline now I can say definitively that I see a defect appear and blood appears or what appears to be blood right appears from that defect in the neck. What appears to be blood. Yeah.

You I wasn't there. I I can't say definitively that that is blood. Right. I thought he was going with the Charlie still alive.

[laughter] I was getting I was getting real Epstein body. If you want to get your ass into a sling with an attorney on stand, you unless you can test the blood you say that you see and confirm that it is blood like with a Castle Meer test at the scene, that ain't blood. You can say it appears to be blood. So, it appears to be blood that is very early of you.

Chapter 3: The Most Important Kirk Evidence Nobody Has Thank you. I've been burned enough. So, [laughter] you you see the defect appear, right? And then you see what appears to be blood exiting forth from that location.

Um, and it is soft tissue. So if you'd had a midline impact, say where you're going through u you're going through the trachea for instance where it enters right here and you've got this cartilagynous body in here that would slow it a bit more I think. All right. Okay.

It would diminish some of the velocity. Right. And why what do you mean by that? Because it because it's a firmer structure and structure it can begin to distribute all that force.

Yeah. Okay. But it's still you're still going to have in my opinion you're still going to have this kinetic reaction right to the soft tissue where you'll see this kind of travel out. Now of course we haven't seen all the video I don't think I've got that one view where he's struck and I can't really make out a tremendous amount of detail relative to that as to how the skin reacts however or the tissue.

I see the shirt and I see the shirt billow. And for me, automatically everything that we learn in ballistics and terminal ballistics, you know, you're going to have this kinetic delivery. And so when you see this kind of billow like this, as you know, as we kind of see like this for me, immediately when I saw that, I knew that that was the delivery of that energy from that round into the neck. And then of course there's been and one of my big questions is and I don't know if we talked about this and one of the things that's troubling to me about this case is I want to know where the shirt is.

I've got to know where that shirt is. What would the shirt tell you? Oh, it's going to tell me a lot. It's going to tell me a lot.

And this is why if we have the shirt, any other kind of speculative things that are out there, um, any kind of other terminal instrument that may have been used because it's, you know, guys, I got to tell you, forensics is not just merely confirmatory in the sense of finding a positive finding. Forensics is also about negative findings as well. Is there an absence of something? So let's just say for the sake of saying that we've got an explosive device.

Okay. Well, the explosive device that might be utilized in an event like this that the propellant that you would see say for instance with a 300 six round that's contained in the casing that drives that round down range. It's not going to be the same as say something that you use as some kind of shaped charge on a, you know, on a mic or something like that. So, what we would do with the shirt and I hope that they saved it.

I truly do. I don't know what because I've seen guys I can't tell you how many times I've seen things thrown into garbage cans, shirts that are cut up the middle when they're doing heroic measures, things being ripped off, and then you don't get the shirt or any other item of clothing and you're looking for particulate matter that might go back to something. Okay. Is it is it more common to keep the clothing?

Mhm. Yeah. 50% 80% 100%. Yeah.

most, you know, to the point like, and I'm just kind of I don't want to go too far off in the, you know, weeds with this. We can go off in the weeds. We got Well, no, no, no. What I'm saying is is that we've we have tried to make a real effort with emergency room staff.

Now, in the days, and this is why, because if a person rolls in and they're being treated, right, many times, you know, they'll just nurses always have scissors, you know, so they'll take their scissors off, you know, and cut it, you know, and the next thing you know, the custodian is gathering up all of the, you know, the red bags with the bloody trash in it, and they're putting it in the dumpster. I've done dumpster dives behind Grady Hospital in Atlanta, behind Charity Hospital in New Orleans, looking for one single item like that because it's a key. And I hope that they secured every stitch of clothing he had because again, going back to the point, it's as important to rule things out as it is to rule things in because you're trying to stay in the middle with the science itself. So, two things on that.

One, is there a procedure? Is that like a standard procedure? save all the clothes. Yeah.

And I mean, is that well known across the board? Tempus hospital would have known. Yeah. Not stateto state.

It's the same across. It's Yeah. Well, yeah. And I can't speak to necessarily what their procedures would have been at this facility, but they have enough trauma cases, I would imagine, that have come in over the years.

There should have been a police officer that was there that was being directed by a detective or the investigators. It could be a state me investigator that was stationed in that area. I don't know how they're distributed around the state. You know, somebody like in my former position, I'm going I'm going to track down the charge nurse that's running that code.

I'm going to talk to the emergency room physician. Where are his clothes? Where are his clothes? And even in a case like this where I've got an individual that, you know, first sight, you're seeing them shot from a distance.

I don't give two hoots in hell. I'm bagging their hands. I'm gonna bag their hands just in case there is anything there. You know, because you can't just merely assume.

You talked about just a moment ago. What if we didn't have CCTV? What if it was just done? I don't I don't know what anybody saw.

I don't know what I wasn't there. So, I'm going to bag the hands so that I can do any kind of sampling at the emergency. Well, not at the emergency room, but back at the ME's office where I can collect anything, any kind of gsr that might be on the hands. Rule it in, rule it out.

I don't know. You know, I I have no idea. I wasn't there. That should have been collected.

Um, the shirt in 27 minutesparticular should have been collected, tested. I want to look at the collar. any you know people have talked about microphones and all these sorts of things wherever a mic is positioned it was right it was right here yeah I want to know I want to know clavicle I mean right clavicle what is going on with that particular area because if anything and I mean anything initiated right there you're going to have residue so second thing on the shirt um you said it's pretty standard across the board they know so what likelihood is it in other words in your experience how often do you see the shirts not kept more so now than in the past. You see them not kept more now?

No, I see them more kept now than in the past where you would just, you know, because some people that are just work, you know, you got, you know, the medical staff that's there, they're going on to the next case. And I know we're talking about Charlie here, but there's other people coming in to be treated, right? And so they're going from case to case, and it all depends on what the case load is like that particular day. That's why it's so important that you want to have law enforcement representatives that are there that are tuned in because once they have called the code, once they have said this is done and pronounced death and pronouncement of death is different than time of death.

All right, just so you guys understand. Can you explain that? Yeah. Pronouncement of death is a legal ease term that that's the official time, you know, I declare you dead.

Time of death is a scientific finding. And that's why we do rigger mortise and liver mortise and algram mortise and stomach contents and all that stuff. So they're two different things and people conflate those things all the time. Anyway, so once he has been declared dead, we know that this is a homicide or we suspect that it's a homicide.

That body is now your central piece of evidence and it should be protected at all costs including all the things that came everything. And so maybe final question on the shirt. Yeah. If can you quantify it in a percentage basis of how often the shirt is preserved or not preserved?

I could like how unusual is it that I'll put it to you this way. I I think in my own in my own perception when I first started in the field back when dinosaurs were on the earth I would say you're only 87. Only 87. [laughter] [ __ ] I mean you look great.

Still dragging my stumps across the ground. Yeah. So yeah. So, I would say probably back in the day it may have been a 50/50 proposition as to whether you're not going to get it.

I'd say that number has probably come up hopefully to just above 80% now. And some people look at it that are civilians that don't do, you know, forensics that are working as uh someone in an emergency room, they might not necessarily see the value in it. We see the val we try to see the value in everything that comes in with a body. Everything has a purpose.

Everything has um you know has uh uh value to it for us because we have to have as much sample as we can to test it. How would Now Baron you said that the the injury map was all the way from down here. It was from the top of his heart to the top of his head. And what Yeah.

What' you say was on his head? e me the shirt is the most critical piece of clothing just based on where the injuries all occurred. For me it would be and and again going to this idea of exclusion. One of the questions is that will be asked and has to be answered in in court when that forensic pathologist gets up on the stand which they will.

[clears throat] They're going to look at that autopsy report and if they they the state this is not Morgan saying that if the state is saying that this is in fact a gunfire related death. All right the attorney is going to ask a question that is similar to this. So Dr. Smith who whatever the doctor's name is Guardo.

Um, [laughter] what in your opinion, uh, what was the range of fire on this round? Okay. Your assessment. The range of fire.

Range of fire. Yeah. So, he's going to say it's indeterminate. That means you can't tell, right?

You can't you cannot tell how far away this round was fired based upon the examination of a defect. Okay. All right. The bullet hole itself.