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ERIKA KIRK RUSHES TO CLOSE THE CHARLIE KIRK CASE - WHY THE HURRY?
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Erica Kirk is demanding a speedy trial
in the case against her husband's
accused killer, Tyler Robinson, after
she claims his defense team is delaying
proceedings.
Something doesn't add up here. Erica
Kirk is suddenly pushing the court to
rush Charlie's case right as more
strange details from her past start
resurfacing. Is she suddenly eager to
find out the truth or is something else
forcing her hand? Now, I'm sure some of
you have already seen this news, but if
you haven't, let me give you a quick
recap.
Erica Kirk is demanding a speedy trial
in the case against her husband's
accused killer, Tyler Robinson, after
she claims his defense team is delaying
proceedings. The new filing from Erica
Kirk's attorney reads in part, quote,
"Nobody believed in the importance of
the United States Constitution more than
Charlie Kirk. And although the United
States Constitution guarantees criminal
defendants many rights, it does not
guarantee them the right to cause undue
delay in the criminal justice process.
This follows Friday's hearing on a
defense motion to disqualify the
prosecution team for conflict of
interest after they argue one of the
prosecutor's children was present when
Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
Now, keep this in mind. she's allowed to
request a speedy trial because as far as
the court is concerned, she's the
designated victim in this case
is one of the many states that also
grants victims the right to a speedy
resolution.
Thanks, your honor. Yes, just the matter
of uh having Mrs. Erica Kirk designated
as the victim representative in this
case. uh she has filed through her
council a request to be designated as
the the victim representative.
This court will uh recognize Miss Erica
Kirk as the designated victim
representative in this case. Thank you.
So the real question is why now? Why all
of a sudden does she want this case
wrapped up as fast as possible? And
honestly, there are two very different
ways to look at this. On one hand, you
could say she's just tired of all the
legal drama and wants justice to finally
be served. That sounds reasonable at
first, but that explanation starts
falling apart when you remember she's
publicly forgiven the alleged assassin
multiple times already.
[Music]
Father, forgive them for they not know
what they do.
That man,
that young man,
I forgive him.
So, if she's not doing this to see Tyler
Robinson actually get punished, then why
ask for a speedy trial at all? Well, her
own interviews might give us a clue as
to why she suddenly wants this case over
and done with.
Come after me. Call me names. I don't
care. Call me what you want. Go down
that rabbit hole, whatever.
But when you go after my family, my
Turning Point USA family, my Charlie
Kirk show family, when you go after the
people that I love, and you're making
hundreds and thousands of dollars every
single episode
going after the people that I love
because somehow they're in on this.
No, I want justice for my husband.
Anytime we have leads, anytime we hear
anything, we send it to the authorities.
We're not messing around.
None of us are involved in my husband's
murder. None of us.
Here's the simple reality. As long as
this case drags on, people are going to
keep digging digging into her past and
digging into the organization she now
runs. And the timing matters. She gave
these interviews right when people were
already furious over that $10,000 a
plate fundraiser she held at Mara Lago.
Erica Kirk is concerned. So over the
weekend, Erica Kirk and Turning Point
USA, they held a high dollar gala at
Mara Lago and they brought in millions
of dollars and they partied the night
away. Now Turning Point has held these
parties in previous years, but this one
it was the biggest, the most extravagant
yet. And it carried this special focus
of gearing Turning Point USA around
Erica Kirk and of course its donors
moving the organization forward as a
controlled organ. This is a dinner that
was worth tens of millions of dollars at
least. This was a $10,000 a plate dinner
at bare minimum. That was just the
bargain basement rate to get in. And
roughly a thousand so-called
conservatives, they all showed up to
this party. Then things only got worse
when people didn't like the way she was
acting at Amfest.
[Applause]
And you can see from behind me, this is
a a recreation of the tent where Charlie
Kirk lost his life at Utah University.
um in September and people are taking
selfies with it.
And over the last couple of weeks, a
very different side of Erica has been
introduced to the public as more and
more strange details from her past keep
coming out.
With that, I just cuz I've lived all
over the country too or all over the
world and country. But when I lived in
China, I saw firsthand
the freedoms in Technicolor that I take
for granted
that they have no idea what it's like to
experience. And I'm here today with the
incredible Dr. Peter Pry. He is the
executive director of the task force on
national and homeland security and
director of the US Nuclear Strategy
Forum, both congressional advisory
boards. He has served on the Congression
EMP Commission, the Congression
Strategic Posture Commission, the House
Armed Services Committee, and the CIA.
He is also the author of Apocalypse
Unknown. Thank you so much for being
here.
Well, thank you for having me, too.
I mean, just the other day, I came
across this video, which claims that
someone named Lorie France, allegedly
connected to a Tech, was using multiple
names. It also claims that her companies
were listed in leaked documents
alongside NSA linked suppliers.
[Music]
Now, to be clear, we don't actually know
if this person is Lorie or Lauren or
even if it's Erica's mother at all, but
you can understand why people are
digging into Erica's family background.
A lot of folks are trying to figure out
how she was able to get close to not
just former highranking CIA officials,
but also people like Dr. Ben Carson, who
served under President Trump during his
first term. Um, our country was founded
on faith just how you said and I and
also the American dream and so often I
find that we are so caught up on being
politically correct and I feel like
that's made us a softer nation. Um, I
would like for you to just highlight on
the fact of political correctness and
what you think generation, my
generation, generation prior and
previous, what we can do to make us not
seem so soft as a nation. Someone else
also pointed out that Erica is Facebook
friends with the guy who removed the
cameras. The same guy who also happened
to be the first person to publicly
announce Charlie's death.
There's a shot. Sorry.
[Applause]
He's dead.
God help him.
And then you've got people making even
wilder claims on top of that.
This is Erica Kirk. Another Erica Kirk.
Same exact name, same exact spelling,
both political wives, both married to
outspoken Republicans. Current Erica is
nicknamed Miss Arizona, and the first
Erica was nicknamed Madame X. People
called the first Erica Kirk Madame X
because they say she just kind of showed
up out of nowhere. Both have striking
blue eyes and blonde hair. They even do
their eyeliner the same, and personally,
I think they have the same face
structure. The first Erica Kirk passed
away now, but was from Palm Beach
County, Florida, which raises another
huge red flag. If you've been following
my videos, you know why I don't want to
tell you guys what to think. I'm simply
giving you the information. Do you think
these are like all coincidences or is
there something else going on here?
So, yeah, you can see how all this
digging really isn't doing her any
favors, especially at the same time
she's out there announcing new TPUSA
tours.
[Music]
We also know she has big plans for this
organization moving forward and all this
public scrutiny is probably getting in
the way of those plans.
What do you hope to achieve for Charlie
and for the country?
Oh my goodness. All of his wildest
dreams for this organization and more.
He left me a blueprint in all of his
journals. But more so than that, I was
his vault for literally everything. He
shared everything with me, his vision,
his dreams. And
I know now more than ever, I mean, he
was always a hard worker, but now more
than ever, he's up in heaven
orchestrating and sitting and
strategizing. And I can just feel it. I
can feel it. And so, all I want is to be
able to make sure we honor Charlie. So,
it wouldn't be crazy to think she just
wants all of this behind her as fast as
possible. That said, there are a lot of
people who believe a speedy trial might
actually prevent us from finding out the
full truth. Normally, I'd agree with
them, but in this case, I'm not so sure.
Because, let's be honest, a lot of
people don't even think they caught the
right guy in the first place. Most
people tuning into the court proceedings
aren't expecting answers. They're
watching to see how the prosecution
explains those fake sounding texts or
how they explain why the people running
the investigation kept making statements
that later looked flatout wrong.
In less than 36 hours, 33 to be precise,
in 33 hours, we have made historic
progress for Charlie.
I think the process went uh went pretty
well considering we got him in 30 33
hours.
We apprehended our suspect in 33 hours
because we were transparent and open
with the American public and we're going
to continue to do that
for 33 hours. I was
I was praying that uh that um if this
had to happen here that it wouldn't be
one of us that somebody drove from
another state, somebody came from
another country. They're also going to
have to explain all the weirdness around
the rifle. The same rifle we never
really saw in Tyler's hands in any of
the videos released so far.
In fact, Tyler Robinson might be the
only guy at UVU who wasn't actually seen
holding a gun, even though multiple
people there were reportedly armed.
[Music]
Hey. Hey. officer. Officer, do you mark
out with your team?
[Music]
And personally, I'm very interested to
hear what they have to say about the
autopsy because we all know how strange
that whole situation was. First, we were
told no autopsy was performed.
So, I did do the request. They emailed
me back. Um, they did he did not go in
for an autopsy. The death certificate
was signed by the doctor at the
hospital.
Okay. Can you just do a field clip
documenting that?
Sorry, 109.
Can you just add us up to the case
documenting that there was no autopsy?
Then suddenly we found out that an
autopsy was completed, but apparently
everyone involved was brand new on the
job.
Also, I told you there was a new CEO and
therefore a new lead surgeon, Andrew
Zanger, over at the hospital. the
regional hospital that Charlie was taken
to, although that was not the nearest
hospital from the university. And it
also ranked extremely low in terms of
the most uh best equipped hospital, if
you will, to deal with the sort of
trauma uh that Charlie was suffering
from, a neck wound. Obviously, I was
also informed that the coroner in this
case was also brand spanking new. That
name has not yet been released. I am
told that person is new.
I really want to hear how they explain
all of this madness, but I don't think
the full truth is going to come out in
court. From day one, this investigation
has looked shaky with the FBI arresting
Tyler before interviewing key witnesses
or following every lead. Well, here's a
good example. Harrison, you posted two
weeks before Charlie Kirk died that
there was a credible threat against his
life. Has the FBI reached out to you to
ask you about that?
Uh, no.
If you're new to seeing my face, I was
in the front row of the Charlie Kirk um
thing. It's kind of hard for me to say
it, but
um I was there. The interview that I had
on Real America's Voice, they reached
out to me after seeing my videos. Long
story short, they reached out to me like
on an interview like on the news. at the
end of the interview basically he was
like okay real quick like long story
short um has the FBI like reached out to
you yet to see like your witness
statement like what whatnot and I just
said no. So basically it was like a
super dramatic thing and then the next
day I get a call from an unknown number
and I was like huh that's weird. I
wonder who this is. Like I literally
thought in my head I'm like oh this has
to be like the FBI. He called me and he
was like hey is this Chance Gilbert? And
I was like, "Yes." Like, "Hey man, um,
in our records somehow we found you and
were you there on like the day of
Charlie Kirk's assassination?" And I was
like, "Yes, I was." So, no, I don't
think a speedy trial is going to help us
find the truth. But I do think there are
a lot of people who would be very happy
to see this case closed as quickly as
possible.

Erika’s Inquisition: TPUSA Employees FIRED For…What?! | Candace Ep 295
Candace Owens
Streamed live 73 minutes ago

Arizona is an “at-will” employment state which means employers can fire you for any reason at all. But, is it immoral to do so after your company rakes in $250million off the back of its founders assassination and employees work overtime to help make that happen? I’ll let you guys decide with this first-person account over a round of TPUSA firings. Also, we have a never before seen text message which Charlie Kirk received from a Christian Zionist donor which reads like a threat.

[Text message sent to Charlie Kirk just before he died]

All the people that trusted you, Jews and Christians. Including me! Why would you platform anti-Semites like Candace and Tucker? There are many Evangelical Christian Zionists who would never give these people the opportunity to spew their hatred. I’m one of them. You say people are accusing you of being an anti-Semite because you disagree with the Israeli government. Well what is it exactly that you disagree with? You threatened Jews and Christians with your 30 mn followers? Are you kidding?! Be very careful, Charlie. You are in violation of the 9th Commandment, by bearing false witness against your brother, Judah. When was the last time you read your Bible, Charlie. I’m coming to you as a believer. Gen. 12:3, Obadiah and many more prophets warn those who curse Israel will be cursed. Your TPUSA Tampa event was a disaster! Michele Bachmann was booed and about 10 percent walked out on her when she talked about standing with Israel? You brag about how you convinced all these young voters to vote for Trump but you can’t convince them to stand with our Jewish brethren? This is not a joke, Charlie. I’m coming to you as a sister in the faith. You have accomplished so much by the hand of The Almighty, but He is going to lift His hand from you. Don’t fall for Tucker, Candace and the rest. The Jews are under attack. G-D warns us in the last days that He will wipe out the descendants of Edom because they stood by while their brother Jacob/Israel was held in captivity and did nothing. Don’t be counted among the Edomites. It will be to your peril, as well as the unfinished work G-D was going to do through you.

2:45 PM

All right, you guys. Arizona, you should know, is an at-will employment state.
What that means is that employers can fire you for any reason at all. It's not illegal for them to do so. But the
question is, is it immoral for them to do so after the company ras in $250
million off the back of its founders's assassination
and employees are working overtime to help make that happen. I'll let you guys decide because the stories that are
coming out right now, first person accounts over a round of firings,
stories are are stunning. Truly stunning. We also now have a
neverbeforeseen text message which Charlie Kirk received this time from a loving, very loving
Christian Zionist donor. And uh I want to be clear, it reads to me like a
threat. Again, I will let you guys decide. Let's jump right back in. Welcome back to Candace.
The Christian Zionist threats Charlie faced.
Look, Charlie was threatened. He was threatened a lot. I would say threatened financially.
And I want to be clear, it wasn't just by Jewish donors, but also by Christian
Zionist donors. What is Christian Zionism? We're all wondering. We're having that conversation now as a
society. like what does this actually mean? Doesn't feel too Christian. It kind of feels like here is how
Christians better behave and act and we're going to try to package it in a Bible verse. You know, that's how it's
starting to feel to me. And I think a lot of people, well, this is not going to help. Uh well, just let's just back
up. In July, we know that's when things went sideways for Charlie Kirk, right? He stepped out of line because he hosted
Tucker Carlson at their SAS event in July. And I want to be clear here. If
we're just asking ourselves the question, what exactly did Tucker do or say that was so controversial?
Nothing at all. He asked reasonable questions, questions that were on everybody's mind. Questions about
Jeffrey Epstein. That's pretty fair to open that conversation. He asked about
why it seems he's somehow protected, where his money came from. He asked about Israeli blackmail operations.
Tucker, we're being clear here. What Tucker did was he was honest. Take a
listen. How does a guy go from being a math teacher at the Dalton School in the late
'7s with no college degree to having multiple airplanes, a private island, and the largest residential house in
Manhattan? Where did all the money come from? And no one has ever gotten to the bottom of that because no one has ever
tried. And moreover, it's extremely obvious to anyone who watches that this guy had direct connections to a foreign
government. Now, no one's allowed to say that that foreign government is Israel because we have been somehow cowed
into thinking that that's naughty. There is nothing wrong with saying that. There
is nothing hateful about saying that. There's nothing anti-Semitic about saying. There's nothing even anti-Israel about saying that. I've spent my entire
life pretty much in Washington where I knew and loved a number of people including one very close person who
worked at CIA. That has never prohibited me from saying I think the CIA has done
some horrible things. Murdered a bunch of people, participated in the murder of a sitting US president. It's got a whole
trail of crimes. That doesn't make me a disloyal American. It doesn't make me anti-American in any sense. I was born
here. My family's been here for hundreds of years. I love this country. That's why I live here. So criticizing the
behavior of a government agency does not make you a hater. It makes you a free
person. It makes you a citizen. You're allowed to do that because you're not a
slave. You're a citizen. And you have a right to expect that your government
will not act against your interests. And you have a right to demand that foreign governments not be allowed to act
against your interest. That's not creepy. It shouldn't be forbidden.
And yet all of us have trained ourselves to believe that you can't say that somehow that that's like too naughty and
forbidden. And the effect of making that off limits has been to create a lot of
resentment and I'll say it hate online where people feel like they can't just say like what the hell is this? You have
the former Israeli prime minister living in your house. You have had all this contact with the
foreign government. Were you working on behalf of MSAD? Were you running a
blackmail operation on behalf of foreign government? Oh, Tucker, but it is forbidden. You
look out in the audience, they're cheering. They agree with you because it makes sense. But Tucker, to some people
in this society, if we're being honest, they do view us as slaves. They've given us the illusion of freedom. They gave
Charlie the illusion of freedom. Yeah, Charlie, go out there. fight for free markets and capitalism. This is your
company. This is your organization. You built this. You were young. You didn't get into West Point and you built this
because you care about free markets and capitalism and of course free speech. And then when Charlie started proddding
the narrative about Israel, suddenly he realized he wasn't a free man. He wasn't a free
man at all. And he wasn't even free to invite who he wanted to invite to speak
on his stage. You know, I showed you guys that text thread. I could show you more. uh where Charlie was saying that
he's thinking that he wants to invite Candace. Well, also I can confirm to you today that on September 9th amongst a
smaller pool of TPUSA employees, Charlie sent a text saying day before he died that he wanted to invite me to Amfest.
Yeah. No, that that wasn't allowed to happen because this Tucker speech wasn't allowed to happen. That speech was
disobedient. Disobedient to Israel's aims. I'm going to now read you an unhinged
text message that Charlie received. This time from a female Christian donor,
Zionist of course. And as I read this, I want you to keep in mind that this information once again is being shared
to you from me, not from Charlie's closest friends over at Turning Point
USA who purport to care about what happened to him, purport to want the truth to get out. Except not when it
comes to the pressure that Charlie was under in the months leading up to his assassination. Pressure that was coming from donors. These people in fact
wouldn't dare utter a word bad word about Israel. Tons to say about Candace Owens. They're not going to send any
legal letters over to any body that is pro-Israel. Yeah, it seems that that's the way, right? Not for a single second
do they want to betray the Israel narrative. Israel as a friend and ally,
not just the United States, but of course to Charlie Kirk until the very end. Now, I'm letting you know that I
have copied and pasted this message and sent it to um my team and sent it back
because I want to make sure that where and who this message came from is not obvious, but this is a real message.
Andrew Kovac can confirm it's real. Erica Kirk can confirm it's real, that Charlie Kirk received this. Let's read
this. Okay. All of the people that trusted you, Jews and Christians, including me. Why would
you platform anti-semites like Candace and Tucker? There are many evangelical
Christian Zionists who would never give these people the opportunity to spew their hatred. I'm one of them. You say
people are accusing you of being an anti-semite because you disagree with the Israeli government. Well, what is it
exactly that you disagree with? You threatened Jews and Christians with your
30 million followers. Are you kidding? Be very careful, Charlie. You are in
violation of the Ninth Commandment by bearing false witness against your brother Judah. When was the last time
you read your Bible, Charlie? I'm coming to you as a believer. Genesis
12:3. Obadiah and many more prophets warned that those who curse Israel will
be cursed. Your TPUSA Tampa event was a disaster. Michelle Bachmann was booed
and about 10% walked out on her when she talked about standing with Israel. You
brag about how you convinced all these young voters to vote for Trump, but you can't convince them to stand with our
Jewish brethren. This is not a joke, Charlie. I'm coming to you as a sister in faith. You have accomplished so much
by the all by the hand of the Almighty, but he is going to lift his hand from
you. Don't fall for Tucker, Canis, and the rest. Jews are under attack. God
warns us in the last days that he
will wipe out the descendants of Edom because they stood by while their brothers Jacob Israel was held in
captivity and did nothing. Don't be counted among the It will be
to your peril as well as the unfinished work God was going to do through you.
Oh. Oh, but it's it's um it's in a Bible verse, so he should be like chill with
that. No, he wasn't chill with that. He did feel threatened by that. Uh that
feels like you're pretending to be a Christian. But you have specific marching orders. And you don't think there's a single reason why Charlie
could reasonably critique what Israel is doing after
what's been done in Gaza? They've effectively have turned Gaza into a parking lot. And this is how you come at
him over Tucker's speech. Tucker's totally reasonable speech speaking about
Jeffrey Epstein. Hey, um, he harmed children
and he is being protected because he did that on behalf of Israel. He did that for Israel.
Blackmail operation for Israel. Everybody knows that, including Gen Z. And you're telling Charlie it's his job to convince Gen Z like he's a
psychological operation that that's okay. That what Jeffrey Epstein did is fine
because he has to stand with Judah. He has to look at what happened and he's got to he's got to flip to Genesis and
understand that even when they are behaving
murderously, even when they are harming children, he better figure out how to
support them and how to lie to people about how he feels about what they're doing. That's really something.
It's really something again that you are hearing this from me. It is becoming increasingly difficult to imagine how
Turning Point is not naming and shaming these people. I give them an opportunity
here. Why don't you come out and say who sent Charlie that message? You won't. You won't. Of course you
won't. You're lining up employees and firing them for literally no reason. We have proof of that later. Before we get
Lori Frantzve's mysterious companies.
to that uh proof and that video, I want to let you guys know that we received a very interesting tip. uh which
unfortunately means that our established column that we built on our Excel sheet about I don't know everywhere that we
investigate there seems to be this theme regarding adults that have been accused
credibly or people that have gone to prison for and actually um have been tried and found guilty of sexual contact
with minors. Right? That list we have built out for you. Well, this time it grows and it is in relation to she it
was not her directly, Lorie France, Erica's mom, Lorie France and Larry Ginta. Uh that Larry Lawrence Buinta is
Erica's stepfather. And they have a a repeat business
partner, a repeat business couple, Shelley and Lyall Rees, meaning they form businesses with these people. Now,
Lyall Reeves ostensibly is Native American, a part of the, and excuse me
if I'm saying this wrong, Tahono Odam nation. Back in 1998, Lyall Re uh was tried and
indicted was indicted for sexual conduct with a minor under the age of 15. He was
about 41 at the time. And we can show you this. You can look at this case. You can scroll through to understand what
happened. The case made its way through the court system for a year and a half, during which time the young victim even
gave a victim impact statement before the case was dismissed without prejudice in 1999. Without prejudice means that
the victim has a right to bring about uh the charges again. And um yeah, without
prejudice. Anyways, this background, I'm telling you this about Lyall because it was apparently not a bar to entry for
Lori and Larry to pursue a business with Lyall because fast forward to 2017 and together they filed to open a business
located on a Native American reservation in a a town called Sakatin, Arizona.
Maybe it's Sakaton. Uh, Sakatan for reference has a population today of just
3,254 people. 40% of those people are children. 95% are Yeah. Native American.
So, what exactly could represent, this is my question, a legitimate business
interest amongst the Native American population on a Native American reservation.
Remember this is at a time when Lori is doing defense work for the Department of Justice. That's what she moved to
Arizona for. What what's their interest here? The according to the formation docs, the business that they filed is
called Desert Spirit Tech LLC. Okay. Her name here is now Lauren L O R I N rather
than Lori, which is other business documents. And in looking through these docs, the uh place of business listed
for uh the place of business that's listed full stop is 26 Rose and THobe.
Okay. Well, that address does not appear to exist. Rose and Thobe is an an
intersection. If we and we can pull this up live so you can see what we're seeing. If we're wrong, we're happy to correct this, but Rose is its own
street. Though is its own street. the intersection which we're going to zoom in on here is is let's get in close
there because I there's just maybe one building that you could maybe say was on Rose and Toby. Yeah. Okay.
We don't have a 26 Rose and Toby. That doesn't that doesn't exist. Okay.
Maybe it's that building that that's the only thing that looks like a building to me. Again, I don't know what that
building's doing. There's another business on the same road that is owned by Mr. Lyall Reams
and his wife Shelley, which is called Generation 7 Farms. In theory, it should be right next door to Lor and Larry's
Spirit Tech as its address is 21 Rosenth. Sadly, alas, we cannot find
that one on a map either. Maybe you guys will have better luck. But what we can discern from the filing of Desert Tech
is that Lauren France is listed as a 20% stakeholder in the business. Larry Guinta, her husband, is also listed as a
stakeholder and as the business's registered agent. But what is not immediately discernable, however, is
what exactly this Spirit Tech does. Fortunately, it is required by law in
and I I think every country, I mean in in every state, maybe not all of them, uh that when you form an LLC, you have
to then publicize that you are doing so in a local newspaper and provide a general description of your intended
business operations. So, I thought, great, that's an angle. Oddly, however, uh Larry, who by the way
is an agent, remember he's the registered agent on the business. Larry and Lori and the other two decided that
for this business they would issue the public notice in the Arizona Chinese News. Okay, here is proof which they
file with the state of their public notice. They got it notorized by Arizona Chinese American publication saying,
"Hey, we p we did it. We ticked off that box um by filing about what our business
was going to be." Um it's done. Cool. This is in December of 2017. You can see
the state received it on December 6th. They signed this on December 1st. Okay. Now, the Arizona Chinese newspaper, by
the way. That's recognized. You can do that. It's not illegal. Uh it's recognized by the state as an optional
publication to meet the requirement, but as far as publications go, it's a bit obscure. It's not exactly accessible to
non-mandarin speakers. This is the website. So, good luck trying to source a 2017 LLC uh public notice. Seriously,
good luck. If someone finds it and you will um maybe receive this publication, which goes out once a week, please email
me at more [email protected] because I would like to know what this tech easy tech desert tech euro tech all
these tech companies do exactly. For reference, per their website, the
the Chinese news agency was founded in Phoenix, Arizona in April of 1990. Its mission is to create a cultural space
for overseas Chinese and to serve the Chinese community.
I find this to be all very shady. Talking to Native Americans, we've got Chinese. I don't know what this business
does. This seems to be a recurring theme. Shouldn't be, especially if our
government is involved. It should be very clear to figure out what everybody does. And maybe maybe you're a a better
researcher than me. And it's especially shady given the fact that it looks like
and I'm going to prod that narrative further that also back when uh Lori Francancy formed Euroch there was
another shady character involved back in Cincinnati, Ohio.
This seems to be a common theme and we need to look into it further and I promise you that I am now going to
because I don't like when people send legal letters to my house without telling the truth. I just don't like it.
Turning Point's employee purge and exclusive video.
So remember when yesterday I told you how I received a legal letter in part for noting that a bunch of military men
seem to have infiltrated Turning Point USA. That was one of the sentences. You said military men infiltrated Turning
Point USA. Well, this is a fun tweet that somebody pulled up from Tyler Ber,
the former COO. He wrote this um September 25th, 2018. He wrote, "We do
have a team. We can only do as much as police on campus will allow and also working with police or private security
in a given venue. We run everything like a military op. All of our people are from that background."
Oh, I told the truth. Okay, great. Just wanted to make sure. Just wanted to uh or maybe get a lawyer a lawyer to send
Tyler Ber a letter. Anyway, guys, got to get into uh this firing thing. I I I
have a lot now. A lot. And I got to organize it over the weekend and things to give to you guys and it's good
because we're about to have a snowstorm and I can kind of plug in. So, I still don't understand what caused it. I can't
get to the root of what happened. But what I can tell you is that one person
got brought into an office by Andrew Kovette and was told that the CMO got
into an Uber car and asked just you know striking up some conversation with the
Uber driver. I was like, "What do you think about Turning Point USA?" And like, you know, Charlie Kirk thing and he starts saying, "Oh, well, I actually
have a daughter who knows somebody that works Turning Point USA and I maybe she doesn't like stuff that's going on at
the company." So, an Uber driver was making small chat with an executive at
Turning Point USA and said his daughter knew someone and that that that person had potentially said something that he
didn't really love. Eric, she didn't really love Eric at the helm. Anyways, Andrew Kovat hauls this person into the
office and starts asking about this Uber uh conversation. And of course, the employee was like, "I have literally have no idea what you're talking about
and says that it was completely untrue, almost like they had fictionalized it entirely be for some other reason, for
some other unknown reason." Anyway, another person who had worked there gets hauled into the office by the general
counsel thinks that they are being brought in because they're going to get a raise or a bonus because apparently,
which makes perfect sense, things have been insane. Obviously, um they are all
really have been working non-stop. Think about the size and scale of the event that they put on at Charlie's Memorial
Service. They had Afest. They had a huge donor thing at Mara Lago. So, everyone's been killing themselves and no one's
getting raises and bonuses. And yet, according to this person, Turning Point USA has brought in $250
million since Charlie's assassination. Good luck proving that I hurt your pockets. Like,
what? I think you did just fine this year. Actually, I don't think my podcast did
too much there. 250 mill. I can't even wrap my head around this. Lol to the PR
talking point that everyone's doing this for money. I can't it's I that is that is money that I I cannot even comprehend
outside of random articles written in the in the Hindustan Times where people think that my net worth is $200 million
and I have 72 houses. Yeah, that's what's happening at Turning Point USA. way. Another person uh who first first
that person regarding the Uber thing then said, "If you want to know my actual opinion to Andrew Cova, if you want my actual opinion about Erica, you
can just ask me." And he proceeds to go, "Okay." And then she kind of then
illustrated that a lot of people just feel like outwardly the company is presenting like they're
one big family. We're one big family. We're one big family. Then actually a lot of the employees feel that that's
just a public presentation that Erica doesn't even know their names that only
a couple a handful of people even have access to her and so it doesn't feel like the same company. I think that's a
reasonable thing. Anyways, bye y Goodbye. Within the same day, maybe the
next day, I actually am not completely sure. Another person gets hauled, thinks that she's getting a raise and actually
they just tell her that she's fired. That she's fired. It's like thinking, I
crushed it at Ampfest. I am definitely about to get a raise. This company is flushed with cash. Actually, you're
fired. And so, she asks the attorney, why am I being fired? And the attorney
just says, "We're going in a different direction. You don't get to have an explanation. Security is outside leaf."
And so, at this point, the employee hits record on their phone because they don't understand what's happening. And
thankfully, they did. So you you can now listen to the exc I guess non-exuse.
There's nothing really to listen to other than her not being able to get an answer of what she did wrong. And I'm making this very clear to you. I am not
kidding. I promise you on everything. I had never in my life communicate. Maybe
I saw her on an event. I don't know. I shouldn't say never in my life. I might maybe was backstage. I never spoke to this employee once. Never anything at
all. Period. Not one of my sources. Nothing. So, this can't be related to
me. I don't think it's related to me, but let's let's take a listen anyways because they're all convinced they're just paranoid and firing a bunch of
people. Take a listen. I mean, I just I mean, Frank, this is kind of wild.
I understand. I understand where you're coming from. I know. And I know best to be here and Yeah. So,
yeah. I mean, I'm not I'm not really content leaving for the day without further documentation, explanation, anything.
I understand, but it's it's time to go. was just going to say today's the last day and that's that's what we're that's
what we're going to operate about and there's nothing else y'all are going to offer me or plan to offer me.
No, I'll send you an email about off instructions essentially outlines it's a teacher
um and then detailing the pay out and you will receive your your year in
bonus from your performance for the year. So that will that will be in that in that paycheck due.
Okay. So, I mean, yeah, th this is crazy.
Yeah, I understand. I understand where you're coming from. No, and I know you're going to keep saying I understand. Like, I I know that. No, I know.
And I know there's probably no magic string of words that I could piece together to procure some type of answer, but
I think on a surface level, like I'm I'm not going to walk out of here until I say my piece. Like, I I mean, y'all know
this. I just worked a series of 80, 90 hour weeks plus for Afest.
Yeah. I've had no direction or explanation since we've come back. Our CEO has been assassinated. I've done
nothing but then backwards for this organization to the point where I'm wondering if this is a prank. It's not a prank. Nobody would know
that. So, I'm I'm just trying to understand and No, I understand. It's time to So, do I get to have a conversation with
Dylan? Do I get to have a conversation with Justin or anybody or Nope. No. And there's no explanation as to why
I'm going to let go despite right now. You know, and you're going to keep saying a different direction, but I'm
just trying to understand how I've met multiple times with my You're going a different direction with the team and I have to ask you to leave now.
You have to ask me to leave property? Yes. Due to what, Frank? Because we're asking you to leave
because she's been terminated and whatnot. But there's no there's no explanation or documentation for this. I've never had
one bad review from Dylan. I've never had one issue with the company. I've never done anything unethical. And so
I'm sitting here understanding why my entire livelihood is being completely tossed out. I mean, I sat
You're gonna you're gonna do great things. No, I think I think you're I don't think your livelihood is being tossed out. I
think you're very successful. Well, my paycheck every other week is being tossed out, Frank, with absolutely no warning whatsoever.
I understand. It's But at this time, it's time for me to go. It's time for me to go. Why? Like this
this this is the treatment that Turning Point is off right now. It's It's time. It's time to go. Frank,
this is crazy. Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. I don't think you do. This feels very
heartless. This feels without emotion. I do understand where you're coming from. This feels completely without emotion. I know where you're coming from, but at
this time, I have to pass feedback to asking you. Frank, I'm really not content doing that. Okay. because I know that when I leave
there, my credential is not going to get back in and I'm never going to have the opportunity to speak with somebody at
this company as to why I'm being terminated after never having my performance question after never doing
anything wrong after working tirelessly through the death of Charlie. This is wild and you can like that's that's
completely unsatisfactory. And so I have to come home tonight with no plan, no understanding, asking for clarity
multiple weeks in a row and I just I mean I'm I'm confused. I sat in your office when that whole GC situation
happened and you said, and I quote, that if you don't get that job, I'm gonna personally think that you got screwed
over. And now I'm sitting here and I'm getting screwed over in a completely different capacity with no explanation.
Yep. I understand where you're coming from, but at this time, you know, so there's going to be absolutely no explanation as to why I'm terminated. So
when I go to my next job, I can't explain as to why this chapter is closed. We're going in a different direction.
That's not an explanation, Frank. It's the isolation we're providing out. providing from who? From the organization.
From who though? Justin from Dylan? From the organization. I only speak for the organization. I don't So different direction means what?
Losing people that then maybe are backwards for the organization. Losing people that would be willing to do anything for the organization. Losing
people that haven't done anything wrong. Like I understand what you're saying and we're take on now it's time for you. So
I time say peace and now it's time for you. So like Okay. Well, this is
I honestly can't even imagine this at all. 80 to 90 hour weeks.
Your CEO just got publicly assassinated and you've not stopped working since.
You think you're going in because they're going to be like, "Hey, we we've made $250 million and like we see you.
We see you." and they say, "We're moving in a different direction
and we're we actually you don't even or you're not even allowed to speak to everyone that you just worked for. You're not even allowed to say just and
then just having beefy security guards there to walk you out." She is correct
in saying that this is heartless. Is it illegal? No, you could do this. A lot of
the stuff, as we've said, a common theme here is what Turning Point is doing is legal,
but it's also immoral. I wouldn't do it. I would be so honest. Like, look, we
appreciate every obviously everything you've done, even killing yourself. You know what? We're a little paranoid skitso right now, and we just don't know
who to trust. We got to get rid of everybody. Um Erica has no trust. That's why she doesn't want to be in here because she doesn't know who's actually
the person leaking. Give that girl something.
I've asked and I' I've spoken to a few of the people. Uh that same person that you heard their general counsel then
showed up at someone's house. The setup here was crazy. What happened to this next girl is crazy. Okay. Marina MZ.
This is the the Uber chick. The Marina Mas. She um I I don't know. I She I
guess she's the one out here. I shouldn't say sniping employees. That's not the right analogy to use, especially given the circumstances, but she's kind
of involved in a lot of this for some reason. Her name keeps coming up. And so another person set up this kind of fake
Zoom. This employee is part-time and kind of set up this fake Zoom meeting.
And so she's at home. She's logged in this meeting and her phone's ringing. I'm going to say allegedly, but this is what happened. Allegedly, her phone's
ringing non-stop. Non-stop. She doesn't recognize the number. She doesn't know what's happening. She's still on this call. Eventually, she picks up and it's
the general counsel and he's like, "Hey, I'm outside. You're fired and come to the door and let me in to get your work
computer." And let me tell you something right now. If you try to delete anything, just so you know, we've
installed something and we'll we'll we'll know that you did it. She has no idea what's happening. She's home with
her kids alone with her kids. There's no she's her husband there. Nothing. And so obviously she just complies. My sense
when I hear that story is they thought they were going to find something. They thought they they there's some sort of
paranoia going on. Maybe they thought the same thing with this girl. They were going to grab the tech and they were going to find something then this girl.
But rolling up at someone's house like what? Dude, this could have been an
email. No one watch what's what's on this computer. You're good. You can literally read what's everything. I
don't This is wild to me. Again, same exact situation. I had never once spoken
to that person. Not through a third party, nothing. Never spoke to that person either. It seems like a little
bit of paranoia is going on, but the manner in which they are handling this. I don't know guys, what's your vibe?
What's happening here? What could have happened that would lead to this? How do you treat people like this that are
actually, I would say, remarkably staying bottled up and not they should have been leaking if this is the stress they've been going with you. I mean,
working 80, 90 hour weeks and just being like peace, goodbye, nothing. Again, I
if I'm if I'm I'm a major donor to Turning Point USA, this is
this ain't this ain't it. This is not it. But also, maybe you're the kind of donor that sends Charlie those kinds of messages.
So, you like it. You're into that. It sound it feels like the right thing to do. Like everybody has got to go. Um and
it's giving paranoid and it's giving cultlike, but this is not it. Anyway, we will have a lot more. We also uh now are
in possession of a Zoom call which Erica held as the new CEO just five days after
Charlie was publicly assassinated. And one of the strangest things is that she recommends that if employees need uh
time to grieve that they take time off. What's strange about that is the employees are like maybe you need to
take time off cuz your husband just got publicly. They thought it was very strange and apparently she didn't. Now,
everyone's saying she was in the office every day with Stacy Sheridan. I told you that's like the chief fundraiser lady. They're in the office every day
following Charlie's assassination. They got to that 250 million. So, I guess it was worth it. But the the people thought
it was a bit off-putting. And we have that call and I can confirm that's not hearsay. That's that is true. She she
does recommend that they need to they take time off to grieve, which is nice, but also makes me mildly uncomfortable.
Somebody in the chat said, "The way that
Final thoughts and comments.
girl fired was evil and it was just not Christian." I totally agree with that. Give any your reason can be anything.
This is actually a true story because I was going through so many emotions after Charlie's assassination and I just
communicated that to people and we definitely obviously went through some changes on the security front which
makes sense because I think all of us in the world felt unsafe when somebody who's a good person can be assassinated
in broad daylight and I was very happy with my current security apparatus and
sort of said to them as we were changing things like this is me. I was like, "You've done nothing wrong. I am just
beyond paranoid and here's what I have to do to solve my paranoia and just kind of blurted at them and said, "You've
been amazing. This is totally a me thing. It is not you." And it was great. It was such a healthy conversation. They
said they totally understood um and that they knew that I was going to have these sorts of cons concerns. And I said, "I
hope I can work with you down the line. I'm sure down the line I'm I I could come back to you in 12 months and feel totally differently, but right now I'm
just in in a certain state right now that this doesn't work for me in this moment. Again, they were fantastic.
There was no reason other than me needing to feel like I needed to make some changes. So, they could have done
that. They could have been honest and said, "You've been amazing and we're a little paranoid right now and we just
have to go through some changes." There's no humanity in that. And I do agree with you that there is a lack of
Christianity in the way that that was handled. And the fact that she thought for a second it was a joke because of how hard she had worked. It's sad. It
genuinely is sad. And she's not the only one. She's just the one person who to who had the wherewithal to go, let me
hit record because I don't I don't know what's happening right now. Anyways, you guys, if you'd like to support this show, uh we've got new merch on the
website. You can also buy our autographed bundle. It is the hard copies of Make Him a Sandwich and Blackout, both hands signed by me.
telling you guys we have a massive uh snowstorm coming tomorrow which is changing a lot. The south shuts down
when there are snowstorms and um we have it coming on Saturday. Long story short,
we have a wedding that was supposed to be on Saturday that's now happening tomorrow. So for the book club, we're making it earlier tomorrow. You might be
at work. If you are, you can still catch it, of course, on the website, but you probably won't be able to catch it live.
I hope you are. This is going to be tomorrow at 11 a.m. Eastern. So, just
giving you guys that little update. It'll be earlier than we had initially anticipated to accommodate all the changes to our schedule over the weekend
because the South does not do snow. I'm a Connecticut girl. We do snow. Tennessee, they don't do snow. Life
shuts down for about a week. Uh let's read the top comment from last episode. It is from Miss Sways. She writes, "We
need an Erica Kirk series just like the uh Breijit Mcronone series." Well, I do
want to do perhaps not an entire series, but a couple of episodes dedicated to that, which we have been working on in
the background to give everybody something solid. There's a lot of, like I said, innuendo online. Some things
that are true, some things that are not true. But I do think given the size and scale of this company, the public does
deserve and since the media is never going to do it, uh the mainstream media apparat never going to do it, something
that is solid and backed by facts and documents that tells you about who this new uh CEO is because I think it's fair
to say she is not Charlie. I I I can't imagine Charlie would have allowed that
to happen. That made me so uncomfortable and I'm sure made the rest of you guys uncomfortable to listen to. But hey, the
good news is is we're getting a lot more information about Turning Point USA. So, uh there is um I guess sort of the
natural karma to that. Some more comments from today's episode. Grey Scout writes, "Canis Owens, Ian Carol,
Baron Coleman, Glenn Greenwald, George Galloway, Scott Ritter, Jeffrey Saxs, Ryan Grim, Jeremy Scill, uh Amy Goodman,
Jack Valley, David Grush, George Knap, Bob Lazar, and Dr. Steven Greer Hart.
Thank you very much for saying that. Rosario writes, "Why can't she spell out God?" It reminds me of how Erica never
says Jesus Christ. She just can't say it. She only ever says the Lord or God. I wonder which Lord and God she's really
talking about. Biblical Israel was a people, not a land or its government.
You will not get a disagreement with me. I am Catholic about that at all. And I
think, like I said, Christian Zionism has been put on trial this year and I'm
happy for that. I think we're all awakening and this is clearly not a religion of religious philosophy at all.
It they act like a cult. uh the behavior of them is like a cult and it's always with this veneer of your loving
Christian sister is telling you this and you're like why do I feel like you're going to harm me but you are citing
biblical scripture and trying to create this illusion like this is coming from the heart and is somehow not a threat.
Maybe turning point will come out and say who that message is from. We'll see. Jason Blake writes, "You do us and
Charlie proud. Keep up the good fight. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the work that you do. The world is gay.
Christ is king. All the best to you and yours. Thank you so much. Sugar Magnolia writes, "Tpose USA gives megaurch series
vibes now. Led by Tammy Fay, Green Leaf, Righteous Gemstones. It's now giving all
the things that people didn't follow and fall in love with Charlie Kirk for." Yes, I agree that Charlie Kirk when we
were hitting the ground, it was about free markets and capital and he was never shy about discussing his faith. And like I said, it then dramatically
changed and it seems like they are now pretending to be a faith organization. Well, if you were going to pretend to be
an organization that is dedicated to faith, uh then maybe treat your employees better than that. I don't
know. I think that that that's a that's a fair ask from the public. Uh Cohen film writes, "There needs to be a TPUSA
alternative that is America first and not Philadelphia first to reach young Americans. Young people avoid TPUSA." I
think that will be the natural occurrence is when something something will rise take its place when something becomes stale or dishonest or corporate.
Uh which by the way like I said was exactly what Charlie set out to disrupt. He wanted to become the new RNC. He felt
that people just gave the RNC millions and yet they had no impact on the youth generation. He he wanted to change that
and he did change that and now it seems like in the wake of his assassination
it's becoming the new RNC but with a faith bent. Is that fair? I think that's fair. I think my opinion is very fair.
Uh yeah, I agree with you. I think something naturally will rise to take its place and I think they know that. I think that's really what these legal
letters are about. You you cannot however sue your way into relevancy. You
cannot sue your way into public favor. It doesn't work. That's old world mentality thinking. The people that are
giving you that advice are wrong. And you are going to, like I said, it's a difficult hill to climb to say that
you're being hurt by these videos when you you raked in $250 million in a
couple of weeks. I think I think it's a tough hill to climb. Maybe it's not. Maybe you got some judges in your pockets. Who knows? It's, you know, it's
Arizona. Maricopa County is one of the most corrupt counties in in the nation. But outside of that, it just doesn't
even make sense to pretend that you're hurting financially, especially as you are now getting rid of a bunch of people on your payroll. Uh, and I guess you're
going to bring some new people in and they're going to be questioned about their allegiance to Erica or something.
Who knows? Anyway, that's what we have for you today, you guys. We will hopefully see you on Monday. We don't
know how much snow we are going to get. Like I said, the infrastructure here, they just do not plow the roads because
in the north we have businesses and free markets get in there and don't have to rely on the government, but there'll be like a plow business. Everything is
pretty much plowed overnight. Down here, the governments just don't have enough trucks and the roads don't stay plowed
for a long time. And so, it could be a bit of a slip and slide and we may not have a show due to weather on Monday.
Hopefully, that is not the case. Uh, I'll let you know on social media. We will hopefully see you guys then.

Romanian Survivors File Lawsuits Against California Megachurch and Pastor Greg Laurie Alleging Decades of Sexual Abuse and Cover-Up
by McAllister Olivarius
22 September, 2025
Press Release
https://mcolaw.com/romanian-survivors-f ... -cover-up/

A Romanian woman reportedly received a transfer of more than €30,000 into a bank account opened in Iași, Romania, from Jeffrey Epstein, according to documents released in December 2025. The payment was linked to the C.O.U.Q. Foundation, Inc., a tax-exempt nonprofit headed by Epstein.

The C.O.U.Q. Foundation was a private charitable foundation controlled by Jeffrey Epstein. It operated from at least 1999 until its disbandment in 2012 and was also known as the Florida Science Foundation. Epstein served as its president and used it to make donations to a range of recipients.

Key donations from the C.O.U.Q. Foundation include:

$2.5 million to The Ohio State University in 2007.
$500,000 to Ramaz School, an elite Jewish prep school in Manhattan, in 2008.
$25,000 to the Clinton Foundation in 2006, according to tax filings.
Smaller grants to individuals and organizations, including $225,000 to MIT scientist Seth Lloyd, $638,000 to the Edge Foundation, and $50,000 to Eliot Spitzer.
The foundation also transferred $14.2 million in investments in January 2008 to the YLK Charitable Fund, a new foundation established by billionaire Leslie Wexner and his wife Abigail. This transfer followed claims that Epstein had misappropriated Wexner’s funds, with the donation framed as a partial recovery.

Epstein used the C.O.U.Q. Foundation to obscure his role as the source of funds, enabling anonymous or indirect giving to universities, scientific research, political figures, and Jewish organizations.

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JPMorgan's Anti-Money Laundering report from around 2008 noted that Epstein made numerous payments to women with Eastern European surnames, including from Romania, Moldova, and Ukraine. The bank processed nearly $3 million in such payments between 2003 and 2008, raising red flags about potential ties to sex trafficking.

Eastern Europe was highlighted in internal bank documents as a key region for trafficking, with nearly two-thirds of trafficked women globally reportedly coming from the area at the time. The Romanian recipient’s name was anonymized in the released files.

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TPUSA Faith Launches Inaugural ‘Make Heaven Crowded Tour’ for 2026
TPUSA HQ
01/21/2026
https://tpusa.com/live/tpusa-faith-laun ... -for-2026/

Turning Point USA Faith will be introducing its first Make Heaven Crowded Tour Wednesday, featuring CEO Erika Kirk along with several special guest speakers.

The tour will visit over 30 cities in the US, beginning with Los Angeles, California, this Wednesday, and ending in Phoenix, Arizona, on December 19.

“The Make Heaven Crowded Tour is a gospel-centered gathering calling people to repentance, faith, and bold obedience to Jesus,” a TPUSA Faith description for the tour states. “Join us for a powerful night of worship, preaching, and ministry as we believe God will move in hearts and lives. Come expectant and bring someone who needs hope.”

The tour’s first stop in the Los Angeles area will take place at Harvest Church Riverside at 6:30 p.m. The official speaker lineup features Erika Kirk, Pastor Greg Laurie, Pastor Lucas Miles, Director of TPUSA Faith, Angela Halili, Arielle Reitsma, and Bryce Crawford.

The MAKE HEAVEN CROWDED TOUR is coming to Harvest Church for a night of worship, preaching, and ministry!

RSVP today at http://makeheavencrowdedtour.com

On the following day, the tour will resume in San Diego, California, with Riley Gaines, Pastor Miles, Jurgen Matthesius, Ross Johnston, and Elijah Lamb.

Registration for the event, and more information about upcoming tour stops, can be found at the tour’s webpage. Los Angeles – Survivors of child sexual abuse have filed lawsuits in U.S. federal court against one of America’s most prominent megachurches, Harvest Christian Fellowship of Riverside, California, and its nationally known leader Greg Laurie, alleging systematic negligence, sex trafficking violations and a 20-year coverup of rampant sexual abuse in the defendants’ operation of children’s homes in Romania. In total, 23 former residents of the homes will be bringing complaints.

The federal complaints detail how Paul Havsgaard, a long-time Harvest pastor and associate of Laurie, was sent by Laurie to Romania in 1998 to run Harvest-sponsored homes for vulnerable children. After attracting street kids with a McDonald’s meal and promises of safe shelter, he carried out sexual and physical abuse on an “industrial scale.” According to the complaints, church leaders in California failed basic tasks of supervision, yet profited from the money they raised through charitable appeals and the false impression that they were doing good works. The complaints allege that Havsgaard may be one of the most prolific child sexual predators alive in the United States today, responsible for thousands of individual acts of abuse.

The complaints relate that Havsgaard raped his own sisters when he was a teenager and sexually assaulted his foster daughter while a Harvest pastor. Despite repeated warnings and evidence of abuse, Laurie and his former missions pastor Richard Schutte kept Havsgaard in place in Romania with minimal oversight. Harvest deposited some $17,000 each month in Havsgaard’s personal bank account and did not require detailed accounts as he siphoned off funds to pay for gifts for his sexual favorites. In turn, Havsgaard returned to California frequently to raise money for Harvest and burnish its reputation, often with children in tow whom he sexually assaulted in California too.

The complaints allege that finally, in 2004, other American ministers were sufficiently concerned by what they were hearing about Havsgaard that they intervened with Harvest and caused Schutte, Laurie’s lieutenant in charge of foreign missions, to send an inspection team. When Schutte joined his inspectors in Bucharest, they told him that Havsgaard was a pedophile, and that Havsgaard “needs to be on that plane with you when you leave tomorrow. He doesn’t need to be another day in Romania. He is an embarrassment to every single missionary and Christian worker.”

But Laurie, Schutte and Harvest did nothing to protect the children, the complaints allege. Harvest leaders in California told the inspection team that Havsgaard was too important to Harvest’s fundraising to remove. Harvest cut down its subsidy of the homes but left Havsgaard in place to continue raping and recruiting more victims for another four years, until he returned to California in 2008. Meanwhile, the complaints allege, Harvest gave the cruel and violent pedophile some $200,000 in severance payments. The children were thrown back onto the street, traumatized, with no support and no place to go. The year after Havsgaard’s return to California, despite knowing what he had done in Romania, Laurie publicly praised him as “a pastor who faithfully served the Lord for many years at Harvest Christian Fellowship, the church where I pastor,” and compared his work in Romania to that of Moses with the Israelites, because his “life demonstrates the power that just one godly person can have.”

Life at the Harvest homes was like “a torture chamber inside a prison,” says one of the plaintiffs, Marian Barbu, in his complaint, which details how Havsgaard would show up regularly in the bathroom while boys were showering or undressed and stare at them, sometimes masturbating in their presence. He regularly spanked children in public, fingering and rubbing their buttocks, anuses and genitalia in the process, and digitally penetrating them. One boy regularly defecated in shoeboxes in an attic room known to be Havsgaard’s private playground, where video cameras had been set up, after being anally raped. Havsgaard is also reported in the complaint to have “pimped out” older boys for sex work via video chat or at bathhouses, taking a cut of their earnings.

The complaints further allege that:

Havsgaard’s abuse included digital penetration, oral and anal sex, pornography consumption, and trafficking of children to third parties.

He told the children “I know what God wants,” and “what I want, God wants” while abusing them.

The homes housed street children as young as four, who were groomed, raped, and silenced.

Children were also punished by having to kneel on walnut shells or being tied to their beds or radiators. Many were so traumatized that they cut themselves, swallowed chlorine or attempted suicide. They departed the homes with PTSD, depression, addiction, and some illiterate, many turning to sex work to survive.

Church leaders did not institute regular inspections, staff training or child protection policies, and overlooked or ignored reports about Havsgaard’s pattern of child abuse from staff, donors, church members and Havsgaard’s own sister.

Meanwhile, the complaints allege, Havsgaard was welcomed back to evangelical churches in the Riverside area.

During the years of the successful cover-up, Harvest and Laurie reached great heights of prominence, including mammoth annual crusades, a top-100 U.S. podcast, membership in the Southern Baptist Convention, and a Hollywood movie about Laurie’s early days at Harvest, Jesus Revolution, that grossed $53 million in its first year. The church owns over 100 acres in Riverside and earns an estimated minimum of $52 million per year. Laurie’s house has an estimated value exceeding $5 million.

Plaintiffs’ lead counsel Dr. Ann Olivarius said: “Through multiple decisions and actions in California, Harvest, Laurie and Schutte became effectively responsible for the tortured lives to which Havsgaard consigned our clients. The abuse they have endured must be remedied. How Laurie did nothing to protect them, even after Harvest received powerful evidence of sexual abuse, is hard to understand. So is his decision to let them suffer ever since.”

The lawsuits seek damages for multiple forms of negligence committed by defendants in California in supervising and operating the children’s homes, intentional infliction of emotional distress, sex trafficking and conspiracy.

Continue reading more on this case and see the complaints here. https://mcolaw.com/mcallister-olivarius ... sex-abuse/

In light of the complex and disturbing allegations in the complaints, McAllister Olivarius seeks additional information from anyone who can shed light on:

possible misconduct by Paul Havsgaard before he left for Romania in 1998 or after his return to California in 2008;
the operation of the Harvest Homes in Romania between 1998 and 2008;
the decision making at Harvest Christian Fellowship concerning the supervision of Havsgaard and the operation of the Harvest Homes.

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Erika Kirk Launches Faith 'Make Heaven Crowded' Tour with Alleged Paedophile And Child Trafficker Pastor. TPUSA Faith embarks on a nationwide Christian tour as legal claims of abuse tied to a featured pastor intensify.
by Chelsie Napiza
International business times
Published 22 January 2026, 11:36 AM GMT
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/erika-kirk-la ... or-1773032



Erika Kirk has officially launched the inaugural 'Make Heaven Crowded' tour under the Turning Point USA (TPUSA) Faith banner, but the nationwide gospel mission is already being overshadowed by the inclusion of a highly controversial figure.

The tour, scheduled to visit more than 30 cities in the United States this year, kicked off on 21 January 2026 in Los Angeles and features Pastor Greg Laurie as a primary speaker, despite the senior pastor currently facing a barrage of federal lawsuits.

The official tour statement describes it as a 'gospel-centred gathering calling people to repentance, faith, and bold obedience to Jesus', with evenings of worship, preaching and ministry.

However, the inclusion of Pastor Greg Laurie, senior pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Riverside, California, has drawn scrutiny due to a wave of lawsuits filed in US federal court alleging child abuse and trafficking by a former Harvest pastor at Romanian children's homes.

While Laurie and his church deny wrongdoing, the legal shadow has placed the tour at the intersection of faith mobilisation and accountability.

Tour Launch Draws Praise and Controversy

Turning Point USA, an organisation that advocates conservative principles and civic engagement, is led by Kirk as its chairwoman and CEO following the assassination of her husband, Charlie Kirk, in September 2025.

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In her public remarks ahead of the tour and in previous media appearances, Kirk has emphasised the importance of continuing her late husband's legacy of outreach and faith, including statements about engaging youth and returning TPUSA to college campuses nationwide.

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TPUSA Faith's own promotional materials show Kirk and a roster of speakers, including Laurie, Lucas Miles and other Christian influencers, headlining the 'Make Heaven Crowded' series of events aimed at strengthening religious commitment among attendees.

Tour supporters point to the potential for spiritual renewal and communal gatherings of believers across the country. The tagline 'Make Heaven Crowded' reflects that objective.

Legal Battles Shadow Tour Speaker's Reputation

While the tour's promotional narrative is focused on hope and repentance, its most prominent featured speaker is at the centre of extensive legal action. Federal lawsuits filed in the United States District Court for the Central District of California contend that a former pastor associated with Harvest Christian Fellowship, Paul Havsgaard, sexually abused and trafficked children in Romania while operating church-supported children's homes from 1998 to 2008.

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Another group of plaintiffs, this time including seven women, have filed lawsuits against California megachurch Harvest Christian Fellowship and its lead pastor Greg Laurie for sexual abuse they claim to have suffered at the hands of Paul Havsgaard.
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According to the complaints submitted by Romanian plaintiffs, the homes were established with support from Harvest Christian Fellowship and its leadership, including Laurie. The lawsuits allege that vulnerable street children were lured with food and promises of education and shelter before being subjected to severe abuse.

The legal filings further claim that church leaders, including Laurie, failed in their duty to supervise Havsgaard and ignored numerous warning signs. They also allege that Harvest continued to financially support the Romanian homes despite reports of abuse, and that Havsgaard returned to the United States with some of the children to raise funds on behalf of the ministry.

Twelve men sue former Harvest pastor Paul Havsgaard, alleging years of sexual abuse and trafficking in church-sponsored Romanian homes, sparking calls for accountability within faith communities.
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Harvest Christian Fellowship's response to these litigation claims has been an unequivocal denial. In public statements, church representatives have described the lawsuits as a 'form of financial extortion', asserted that the proper focus should remain on the alleged perpetrator rather than the church, and defended their organisation's historical conduct.

In recent months, the number of plaintiffs has grown as additional lawsuits have been filed. Some of the more recent complaints include allegations from women and men who say they were repeatedly sexually abused and trafficked during their time at the Romanian children's homes. These filings also name Laurie and other church leaders as defendants on grounds of negligence, failure to supervise, and violations of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act.

Harvest's position remains that it will vigorously defend against these suits and that it has cooperated with law enforcement.


Erika Kirk speaking at the 2025 AmericaFest at the Phoenix Convention Center in Phoenix, Arizona. Gage Skidmore/Flickr/https://www.flickr.com/photos/gageskidm ... 0331230847

The Dual Realities of Faith and Accountability

The dichotomy between the tour's spiritual mission and the legal battles surrounding a featured speaker has attracted attention from religious observers, legal analysts, and civil society figures. Advocates for child protection have underscored the importance of accountability and transparency when institutions and leaders are implicated — even indirectly — in serious abuse claims.

For Kirk and TPUSA Faith, the challenge now is to navigate the tour's launch in a way that honours their stated intention of broad spiritual engagement while addressing or at least managing the reputational questions raised by Laurie's participation.

As events progress and legal proceedings continue, the intersection of religious outreach, leadership accountability, and ongoing civil litigation will likely remain a central theme in public discourse surrounding the 'Make Heaven Crowded' tour.

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Harvest Christian Fellowship waited 20 years to call police about suspected pedophile minister
by Daniel Silliman
The Roys Report
December 29, 2025
3:00 pm CST
https://julieroys.com/harvest-christian ... -minister/


Pastor Greg Laurie (left) and Harvest Christian Fellowship in Riverside, California, sponsors of missionary Paul Havsgaard, pictured ministering in Romania. (TRR Graphic)

The call was made on a holiday. Someone on staff at Harvest Christian Fellowship phoned police at 4:16 p.m. on Labor Day 2024 and told the officer on duty that a former minister was accused of sexually abusing children.

“An incident report was made,” Riverside police spokesman Ryan Railsback confirmed in an email to The Roys Report (TRR), “after Harvest Christian Fellowship had learned of the allegations.”

But former staff and high-level volunteers at the Southern California megachurch led by evangelist Greg Laurie say the call wasn’t made days or months after hearing the allegations. They claim church leaders waited years before reporting former associate pastor and missionary Paul Havsgaard, 76, was suspected of molesting scores of children.

TRR has also found public records indicating Harvest knew about Havsgaard’s alleged child abuse as early as 2004 — 20 years before the call to police.

Harvest and Harvest’s lawyer have not responded to emails with questions about when church leaders knew about the pedophilia allegations and why police were only contacted in 2024.


Harvest Christian Fellowship in Riverside, California. (Photo: Facebook)

California law requires ministers contact law enforcement if they have knowledge or “reasonable suspicion” that a child has been abused. But the ordained men leading Harvest waited until they knew a series of civil lawsuits was going to make the allegations public, according to former staff and volunteers.

“Everything’s ‘be quiet,’ ‘keep quiet,’ ‘nothing to see here,’” one long-time volunteer who no longer attends the church told TRR. “There’s no accountability. … Things are quiet; things slide by.”

Two former volunteers and two former staff members spoke to TRR about the allegations on the condition that their names and identities not be published. They fear Harvest and Calvary Chapel Association leaders will blacklist them and their family members from ministry positions. The church also could put pressure on their current employers to silence them, the sources say.

TRR has confirmed the former staff and volunteers’ identities and work histories, as well as key details of their independent, overlapping accounts.

Records show sudden separation

Public documents show that Harvest and Calvary Chapel ministers cut ties with Havsgaard suddenly in 2005. This was right after a trio of ministers in Romania reported allegations of Havsgaard’s pedophilia to Harvest and Calvary leaders, McAllister Olivarius, the London and New York-based law firm suing Harvest, told TRR.

Harvest employed Havsgaard as a minister when he first moved to Romania to run orphanages in the late 1990s, according to archived images of the church website. In 2002, Havsgaard started his own nonprofit, called Actively Restoring Kids International (ARK). According to the legal papework that Havsgaard filed, the new nonprofit shared a Riverside address with Harvest: 6115 Arlington Ave.

There were other connections as well. Havsgaard listed Wes Denham, a Calvary Chapel Association regional leader, as his vice president. He put Harvest Missions Pastor Rick Schutte as his treasurer and secretary. The nonprofit’s tax returns were prepared by the same firm that Greg Laurie used for his independent ministry Harvest Crusades, which is also associated with — but officially separate from — the Riverside church.


Pastor Greg Laurie preaches at Harvest Christian Fellowship in Riverside, California. (Photo: Facebook)

Those connections between Havsgaard and Harvest were all severed suddenly in 2005. The tax preparer stopped working for Havsgaard’s ministry. The church address was removed from state and federal records. The two ministers left his board.

Havsgaard’s nonprofit board was completely reconstituted in 2006, state records show. One new board member was the local attorney who filed the legal paperwork.

The other was listed on a California Secretary of State form only as “Tony,” with no last name. Tax records filed in 2006 listed the name as “Anthony Annunciato.”

California businessman Anthony Annunziato — spelled with a z, not a c — told TRR he occasionally donated money to Havsgaard, covering electricity bills and other expenses to help make ends meet at the orphanages. He said he didn’t know why Havsgaard listed him as vice president of his nonprofit, misspelling his name in the process.

“It’s been 20 years, but I don’t remember being on his board,” Annunziato said. “I don’t know why I would have been on the board unless he put me down because he just needed someone.”

According to McAllister Olivarius, the hurried legal disentanglement can be explained by an audit of the orphanages.

In 2004, according to the 12 lawsuits filed to date, a trio of Calvary Chapel Association ministers investigated and found reports that Havsgaard had raped numerous Romanian boys he was supposedly taking care of. There was also evidence of financial irregularities, which were reportedly passed onto Calvary Chapel and Harvest leaders at the end of the year.

Greg Laurie, Rick Schutte, and Wes Denham did not respond to emails asking about the seemingly sudden decision to separate from Havsgaard’s nonprofit. Defense attorneys listed on federal court documents did not respond to requests for comment either.

Ann Olivarius, the London-based attorney who represents more than 20 men who claim Havsgaard brutally and repeatedly abused them, is convinced church leaders were busily looking the other way.

“They were fully aware what was going on,” Olivarius told TRR. “Our argument is that Greg Laurie was responsible for what was happening. He ran the show. That’s their model.”


In a photo from the 1990s, pastoral staff at Harvest Christian Fellowship in Riverside, California, Seated, l to r, Paul Havsgaard, Jeff Lasseigne, Greg Laurie, Ron Case, Rick Doucette. Standing, l to r, Rick Meyer, Steve Ballinger, Joe Sabolick, Scott Stout, John Collins, Paul Eaton. (Photo: Facebook)

No reports of ‘reasonable suspicion’

No one called law enforcement during all this, according to Riverside police records.

Havsgaard retained a legal residence in Riverside. He travelled back to California regularly, sometimes bringing Romanian boys with him to raise funds for the ministry, according to multiple sources. A 2003 law also made it a crime for an American citizen “to engage in illicit sexual conduct” outside the United States.



It’s possible that those who knew about allegations against Havsgaard did not contact police because the victims lived outside the U.S. But when Havsgaard moved back to Southern California in 2008, no one contacted police then either.

It’s unclear if the church leaders with alleged knowledge of Havsgaard’s abuse said anything privately to area ministers.

Mike Gann, founding pastor of another Riverside church, Calvary the Cross, hired Havsgaard as an assistant pastor when Havsgaard returned to the U.S. Gann declined to say whether anyone told him about allegations of sexual abuse.

“I don’t have any information regarding this situation,” he said in an email to TRR.

When TRR asked whether that meant he was left in the dark, Gann repeated, “As I said, I don’t have any information about this situation.”

Gann’s church was located less than 10 miles from Harvest and was part of the same Calvary Chapel Association of churches. Havsgaard worked there for at least three years, according to archived versions of the church’s website.

Havsgaard also led a Bible study at another Calvary Chapel church in Southern California. An online ad, obtained by McAllister Olivarius, announced Havsgaard’s adult class on the book of Nehemiah at The Packinghouse Church in the Redlands, about 20 miles from Harvest.

Packinghouse minister Ed Rae did not respond to an email or a phone message from TRR. Havsgaard, who is retired and lives in nearby Forest Falls, has not returned repeated phone calls either.

A secret settlement

If the allegations Havsgaard was a pedophile somehow slipped the attention of Harvest ministers in 2004, they were reminded in 2016. A law firm representing alleged victims contacted the church around that time, threatening to sue, according to people who worked at Harvest.

“We heard that something terrible had happened overseas,” one volunteer who later left the church told TRR. “It was something that you weren’t allowed to talk about. Everyone talked about it.”

The church decided to settle, according to multiple former staff members.

McAllister Olivarius declined to comment on whether it was involved in a settlement with Harvest.

Harvest did not respond to emailed questions either. But a September 2025 statement from Harvest accused McAllister Olivarius of “financial extortion” and noted the recent lawsuits were “only the latest demand.”

Legal settlements of sexual abuse allegations typically involve non-disclosure agreements. Many prohibit the parties involved from publicly discussing details, or even acknowledging there was a settlement.


Ministry home sponsored by Harvest Foundation that housed orphans in Buftea, Romania. (Photo via lawsuit filing)

Former staff at Harvest, who were not involved in top-level decisions regarding potential lawsuits, told TRR they learned of the secret settlement when the church suddenly faced a financial crisis.

“They spent so much money to make that lawyer go away, they laid off probably half of the staff,” one former employee said.

One of the people laid off was children’s minister Ray Narez, who was let go unexpectedly in January 2017. He first thought he had been fired because he had been too critical of Harvest leaders, including Laurie, he told TRR. Then he was informed the real reason was financial.

That explanation didn’t make any sense, Narez said. No one had mentioned any concerns about the budget before. He had seen how much the church spent on events and had even questioned what seemed, to him, like excessive spending.

“I was told, verbatim, ‘You don’t understand how things work,’” Narez, who no longer works in ministry, told TRR. “If there were meetings about the budget being a problem, I wasn’t a part of them.”

Later, he heard his layoff might have been connected to a legal settlement involving orphanages in Eastern Europe.

A number of the former employees have found themselves recently piecing together details about decisions the church made at that time. They wonder if church leaders thought about the fact that Havsgaard was still ministering in a Calvary church in 2016 and still had access to children.

“They had to know,” one told TRR. “One hundred percent, they had to know.”

Why did no one go to police?

Another former employee recounted how the details of what he heard about the abuse kept him up at night, years later.

He wasn’t opposed to a legal and financial settlement, he told TRR. He didn’t think the church’s dirty laundry necessarily needed to be publicized. But he wondered if Havsgaard was continuing to abuse children in California.


Logo of Harvest Ministries (Screengrab)

And he wondered if anyone had gone to police.

The answer was no.

And Havsgaard was still welcome at Harvest, at least on special occasions. A 2023 photo seen by TRR shows him at the Riverside church in a suit with a boutonnière. According to the caption, Havsgaard was officiating a wedding for one of his grandsons.

The following summer — 20 years after three ministers raised the alarm about sexual abuse allegations — Harvest called Riverside police.

Two weeks later, the first of 12 lawsuits were filed making the allegations public and accusing the Southern California church leadership of a coverup.

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Romania Probes Israeli Adoption Agency Link in Organ Trafficking. Romanian authorities are looking into possible links between Israeli adoption agencies and an illegal global conspiracy to sell organs for transplants.
by Ran Reznick
Haaretz
December 12, 2001
https://www.haaretz.com/2001-12-12/ty-a ... b77dc50000

Romanian authorities are looking into possible links between Israeli adoption agencies and an illegal global conspiracy to sell organs for transplants.

The Romanian Embassy in Israel has asked for, and received from the Labor and Social Affairs Ministry, a list of all children born in Romania who have been brought to Israel for adoption in recent years. The Romanian officials are trying to ascertain if all such children arrived in Israel with all organs in their bodies.

In its request to the Labor and Social Affairs Ministry, the Romanians did not offer evidence in support of suspicions of a link between adoption and organ trafficking. The inquiry is part of a broader investigation involving Romanian children sent to Italy and the United States.

As Ha'aretz has reported in the past, some Israeli physicians were involved in illegal kidney transplants and the sale of human eggs in Turkey, Romania, and other countries in East Europe.

In parallel with the organ investigation, officials from Romania's central adoption agency and from Israel's Labor and Social Affairs Ministry and police, are also examining possible criminal activity of two groups dealing with the adoption of Romanian children by Israeli parents.

Among other suspicions, officials are checking whether one Romanian group, headed by an Israeli, has forged adoption papers, and whether children have been offered to Israeli parents without proper, legal process.

Responding to complaints and rumors, Romanian authorities have taken the highly unusual step in the past year of withholding authorization for the adoption of 16 Romanian babies destined for Israeli parents. This delay has been enforced although the Israeli couples have paid $20,000 each to adopt the infants, and have already become acquainted with the babies in the foster homes and institutions where they are being held. Romanian authorities insist they will not give the go ahead for the adoptions until inquiries about possible wrong-doing are completed.

To help finalize the adoptions, the Labor and Social Affairs Ministry turned to President Moshe Katsav and asked him to raise the issue with Prime Minister Adrian Nastase when he visited Israel last July. Foreign Minister Shimon Peres also raised it with Romanian officials during his recent visit there.

Parents affiliated with the "Future of the Children" group, based in Rehovot, have also appealed to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to help finalize the adoptions of the Romanian children.

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The complaints are:

Badaluta v. Harvest Christian Fellowship et al
Ionescu v. Harvest Christian Fellowship et al
A.-C. Busca v. Harvest Christian Fellowship et al
Caragea v. Harvest Christian Fellowship et al
Dragne v. Harvest Christian Fellowship et al
A. Busca v. Harvest Christian Fellowship et al
Vasile v. Harvest Christian Fellowship et al
Razvan-Gheorghe Nitu v. Harvest Christian Fellowship et al
Constantin-Alin Nitu v. Harvest Christian Fellowship et al
Petcu v. Harvest Christian Fellowship et al
Barbu v. Harvest Christian Fellowship et al
Aeroaiei v. Harvest Christian Fellowship et al

McAllister Olivarius
Jan “Honza” Cervenka (SBN 344997)
641 Lexington Avenue, 13th Floor
New York, NY 10022
Telephone: (212) 433-3456
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Attorneys for Plaintiff

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

ALEXANDRU BADALUTA,
Plaintiff,
vs.
HARVEST CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP,
GREG LAURIE, RICHARD SCHUTTE,
and PAUL HAVSGAARD,
Defendants.

Case No.: 5:25-cv-03092
COMPLAINT
DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL

Plaintiff Alexandru Bădăluță (“Plaintiff,” “Bădăluță” or “Alexandru”), by and through his attorneys, McAllister Olivarius, files this Complaint against Defendants Harvest Christian Fellowship (“Harvest Riverside”), Greg Laurie (“Laurie”), Richard Schutte (“Schutte”), and Paul Havsgaard (“Havsgaard”) (collectively, “Defendants”), for damages and other relief. In support of these claims, Plaintiff alleges as follows:

INTRODUCTION

1. From 2001 through around 2005 when Plaintiff was twelve to 16 years old, he was sexually abused by Defendant Paul Havsgaard on many occasions.

2. Havsgaard was a pastor and an employee and/or agent of Defendant Harvest Riverside, based in Riverside, California, and is arguably one of the most prolific child sex abusers alive in America today, having committed thousands of individual acts of abuse. Havsgaard managed the network of orphanages/foster homes where Plaintiff resided (“Harvest Homes”). The Harvest Homes were operated, funded, and administered by Harvest Riverside, whose long-time leader and unquestioned authority is Defendant Greg Laurie. Defendant Schutte, Harvest Riverside’s Missions Pastor, had operational responsibility under Laurie for supervising the Harvest Homes.

3. Defendants conducted major, successful fundraising programs in California based on Harvest Riverside’s operation of the Harvest Homes.

4. In the decade between 1998 and 2008, when Defendants operated the Harvest Homes in Romania, Havsgaard savagely molested and terrorized scores of Romanian children, including Plaintiff, a child in his custody and care.

5. When Plaintiff was a minor residing in the Harvest Homes, Havsgaard sexually abused Plaintiff for his own pleasure, including by forcibly rubbing Plaintiff’s anus.

6. At all relevant times, Harvest Riverside has been a highly successful church based in Riverside, California, with weekly services attracting up to 15,000 people. Its charismatic founder and chief pastor Laurie attracts national attention as an evangelist, podcaster and the subject of a Hollywood movie about his early days, Jesus Revolution, which grossed $53 million in its first year.

7. Havsgaard was a senior pastor at Harvest Riverside and kept that position as he embarked in 1998 on a foreign mission to Romania, then the sex trafficking capital of Europe, at the direction of Harvest Riverside, Laurie, and Schutte.

8. Prior to the last time Plaintiff was sexually abused as a minor, Harvest Riverside, Laurie, and Schutte received multiple reports in California that Havsgaard was sexually abusing the children in the care of Harvest Riverside at the Harvest Homes. These reports started in 1999. They came from the child residents, from multiple local Romanian employees of the homes, from volunteers who travelled there from California, from the wife of a Harvest pastor, and from pastors themselves.

9. From their offices in California, Harvest Riverside, Laurie, and Schutte turned a blind eye. For years, they ordered no regular inspections or staff training, instituted no safeguarding measures or relevant policies. Harvest Riverside continued to pay Havsgaard’s salary, to list him as a pastor on its website, to fund the Harvest Homes by making large payments into his personal bank account with no proper accounting of his spending, and to bring Havsgaard and some residents of the Homes to California to raise money in the United States (and to suffer Havsgaard’s sexual abuse in California too).

10. Finally, by 2004, Havsgaard’s abuse had become so notorious that an American missionary from another Calvary church in California, Steve Quarles, heard about it and complained to Schutte in Riverside, ultimately prompting Schutte, the pastor in charge of all missionary work at Harvest Riverside and Laurie’s trusted lieutenant, to authorize an inspection by Quarles and two other Calvary ministers.

11. Quarles and his team performed the inspection in October 2004. They were so alarmed that they requested that Schutte come see for himself.

12. Schutte travelled to Bucharest and met with the inspection team, who laid out conclusive evidence that Havsgaard was sexually abusing children and misappropriating money, both on a shocking scale. Quarles told Schutte, “Paul [Havsgaard] needs to be on that plane with you when you leave tomorrow. He doesn’t need to be another day in Romania. He needs to be gone. He is an embarrassment to every single missionary and Christian worker. Get him out of here and into counselling.”

13. But Havsgaard was an important fundraiser for Laurie’s church whose “good works” also brought credit to Laurie. As senior Harvest figures told Quarles, Havsgaard “is very important because he’s the face of the ministry. He’s the one who goes and talks to the churches and raises the money. And we can’t have him not be part of things.” Firing Havsgaard would have hurt donations and possibly unleash a scandal that would hurt Laurie’s reputation.

14. So, despite proof that Havsgaard was a devious and unrelenting pedophile, and despite knowing they had provided him a perfect laboratory of desperate and vulnerable children to exploit, Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte did nothing. They did not fire, suspend, withdraw or discipline Havsgaard. They neither reported him to the authorities, as was their duty under California law, nor instituted any new policies or procedures at the Harvest Homes. They did nothing to protect the children there, who remained completely subject to Havsgaard’s domination and voracious sexual abuse. Nor did they do anything to offer support to Havsgaard’s victims.

15. Laurie instead engineered a “soft landing”: he let Havsgaard stay in charge, free to molest and rape, while Laurie slowly closed the money spigot, until the Romanian homes finally withered to nothing—four years later.

16. During this extended period, Havsgaard continued to abuse the children of the Harvest Homes, both those who were already there and many new ones he was left free to recruit, without any new restraints imposed by Harvest Riverside, Laurie or Schutte.

17. Laurie even authorized a gift to Havsgaard of some $200,000 in severance as he continued in his post as if nothing had happened. Romanian authorities were told nothing.

18. In 2009, a year after Havsgaard’s return from Bucharest, Laurie called him “a pastor who faithfully served the Lord for many years at Harvest Christian Fellowship, the church where I pastor,” and even compared his work in Romania to that of Moses with the Israelites, because his “life demonstrates the power that just one godly person can have.”1

19. Since his return to California in 2008, Havsgaard has continued to work at Calvary churches in California linked to Harvest Riverside, with unsupervised access to children, which Defendants could easily have stopped but did not.

20. The cover-up has worked well for Laurie. As Havsgaard raped his way through scores of children in Harvest’s care including Plaintiff and returned to a comfortable life in California, Laurie grew in national prominence and wealth, with a $5.5 million home in Newport Beach, a home in Hawaii, a $90,000 car, a top-rated podcast, and a Hollywood movie.

21. In sharp contrast, Plaintiff and the scores of other Romanian victims of Havsgaard’s abuse and Defendants’ cover-up went back on the streets with no money, no plan for the future, no medical care, no therapy for the PTSD and other medical and psychological damage that Defendants caused, and certainly no gifts of severance payments such as Havsgaard enjoyed. Defendants promised them security and support, betrayed that promise with years of sexual abuse, then chucked them on the street without an iota of practical support or human sympathy.

22. Defendants have continued to conspire to cover up these horrors for which they were all responsible, a cover-up that has succeeded for 20 years—until now.

23. The failure of Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte to investigate Havsgaard took place in California. They made money in California by using their Romanian venture to raise funds and brought children to California to raise more, where Havsgaard sexually abused them. Their failure to supervise or remove Havsgaard and warn future victims took place in California. The ongoing cover-up has been directed from California.

24. As a result of the acts and omissions that took place in California, Plaintiff was sexually abused and sexually trafficked by Havsgaard and has suffered permanent physical and psychological injuries.

JURISDICTION AND VENUE

25. This Court has jurisdiction over Plaintiff's California state law claims pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1332 because the amount in controversy exceeds $75,000 exclusive of interest and costs, and there is complete diversity between the parties, with Plaintiff residing in Romania, and each Defendant residing or situated in California.

26. This Court further has subject matter jurisdiction over Plaintiff's California state law claims pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1367(a), as the claims are so related to claims within the Court's original jurisdiction that they form part of the same case or controversy under Article III of the United States Constitution.

27. This Court has subject-matter jurisdiction over Plaintiff’s claims arising under 18 U.S.C. § 1595, the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act, and under 18 U.S.C. §§ 2423(c) and 2255, prohibiting illicit sexual conduct in foreign places, pursuant to 28 U.S.C. §§ 1331 and 1343.

28. Venue is proper in this district under 28 U.S.C. § 1391(b)(1), in that all Defendants reside in this district, and 28 U.S.C. § 1391(b)(2), in that a substantial part of the events or omissions giving rise to the claim occurred in this district.

CHOICE OF LAW& STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS

29. Cal. Civ. P. Code § 361 permits Plaintiff’s California state law claims even though Plaintiff is Romanian because Plaintiff is bringing claims which arose in California and are based on acts and omissions that occurred in California. Both the substantive and procedural law of California apply to Plaintiff’s California law claims.

30. At the time of commencing this action, Plaintiff is under 40 and entitled to bring claims arising from child sex abuse under California law. See Cal. Civ. P. Code § 340.11(r) (2024). 31. Due to circumstances resulting from Defendants’ sex trafficking scheme, it was previously impracticable for Plaintiff to bring a case under 18 U.S.C. §1595.

32. Plaintiff, to the extent applicable here, has pursued his rights diligently and was impeded because of extraordinary threats and coercion that Defendants applied to Plaintiff during the period of his residency in the Harvest Homes. Plaintiff was further impeded in pursing his claims by the extraordinary mental and emotional damage that Defendants inflicted on Plaintiff, and the disappearance of Havsgaard and Harvest back to California after 2008, leaving no evident route of redress to a young and traumatized Romanian child.

33. Defendants conspired to and did fraudulently conceal the sexual assaults perpetrated against Plaintiff and other Romanian children.

34. Defendants’ wrongful and/or negligent acts and omissions as described below were a substantial factor in bringing about childhood sex abuse of Plaintiff which caused him injury.  

35. As a result, to the extent necessary, all applicable statutes of limitations should be equitably tolled.

PARTIES

I. PLAINTIFF


Figure 1: Alexandru, circa 2004

36. Plaintiff is a citizen of Romania and a former resident of the Harvest Homes. Alexandru was born in 1989 in Constanța, Romania. He never knew his father, who died when Alexandru was a child. His mother started a new family with a different man and did not take care of Alexandru well.

37. Alexandru ran away from this unhappy home when he was seven years old. For five years, he lived on the streets and begged for food.

38. When Alexandru was twelve years old, Havsgaard and his driver, Marcel Musceleanu (“Musceleanu”), noticed him, brought him a McDonald’s meal, and gave him a bracelet that read, “Jesus Loves You.”

39. Havsgaard and Musceleanu hugged Alexandru and explained that his life would be better if he came with them to Buftea: He would have food, be able to go to school, and be surrounded by other children. Alexandru agreed and moved into the Buftea house in or around 2001. At a later date, Havsgaard relocated Alexandru to the Harvest Home located in Strada Bârlogeni.

II. DEFENDANTS

A. Greg Laurie


Figure 2: Laurie preaching

40. Laurie was born in 1952. He currently resides in Newport Beach, California in a home worth an estimated $5,144,100 as of June 2025. At all material times herein, Laurie was a resident of California.

41. Laurie is the co-founder and Senior Pastor of Harvest Riverside. He has supreme authority and makes all important decisions concerning Harvest Riverside.


Figure 3: Laurie crusade Dodger stadium, 2012

42. Energetic and resourceful, Laurie has also become a successful author, podcaster and national figure. With his oratorical skills, books, podcasts, TV broadcasts, and regular crusades, Laurie is often likened to Billy Graham and sits on the Board of Directors of the Billy Graham Evangelical Association. His podcast has been among the top 100 most popular in the United States.

43. Laurie’s crusades typically attract hundreds of thousands of people to the biggest stadiums in the Los Angeles area. From 2012 to 2018, Laurie also simulcast crusade-type appearances into churches and other venues, a campaign titled “Greg Laurie Harvest America.” To encourage hosts to sign up, he sent a truck-mounted theater around the country offering shows that explained what would be on offer.

44. Laurie’s wood-paneled office is full of pictures of him in the company of important politicians, religious leaders and actors.


Figure 4: Harvest America tour bus, 2012.

45. In February 2023, the production company Lionsgate released a movie based on Laurie’s autobiography called Jesus Revolution, which grossed over $53 million worldwide in its first year, with revenues continuing to grow.


Figure 5: Laurie at the Hollywood premiere of Jesus Revolution, with Cathe, and actors Joel Courtney and Anna Grace Barlow who played them in the film

B. Richard Schutte

46. Pastor Richard Schutte was Missions Pastor at Harvest Riverside between 1996 and 2013. He is currently an Assistant Pastor at Impact Bible Fellowship in Riverside, California. During the events described in this Complaint, he was a principal deputy to Laurie in charge of supervising Harvest’s mission to Romania, and served on the board of ARK International, (USA) Inc. (“ARK”), a California charity Havsgaard and Laurie set up to raise money for Romania and other foreign projects.

47. Schutte is and was, at all material times herein, a resident of California.

C. Harvest Christian Fellowship

48. Harvest Christian Fellowship is a nonprofit religious corporation located in Riverside, California. It is duly organized and existing under the laws of California. It was founded in 1976 by Laurie, Havsgaard and three other men as Calvary Chapel of Riverside and reconstituted in 1982 as Harvest Christian Fellowship.

49. The origins of Harvest Riverside lie in the surfing counterculture of Southern California in the 1960s and 70s. Laurie, a charismatic, motorcycle-riding surfer himself who used marijuana and LSD, described himself in a memoir as “a long-haired liberal hippie—pro-drugs, pro-sex and pro-rock ’n’ roll…” At age 17, Laurie heard the charismatic “hippie preacher” Lonnie Frisbee speak at his high school with “such authenticity and power” that he gave his life to Christ. Frisbee was a dynamic force in the “Jesus Movement” that gathered young people into evangelical Christianity in the Los Angeles area and spurred explosive growth in a Calvary church in Newport Beach, Laurie’s hometown, from a handful of members to thousands within a few months.

50. Laurie did not attend college or seminary, but was swept into the Jesus Movement through Frisbee’s example. He spent considerable time with Frisbee, eating regularly at his house in a commune of believers and, according to Frisbee’s widow, even began to dress and act like him. Frisbee built up a Monday Night Bible Study group to approximately 300 members before Chuck Smith, the founder of Calvary, encouraged Laurie to take it over, which he did around 1971.

51. Frisbee, himself a victim of child sex abuse, was later excommunicated from the Calvary movement because he was gay, and the story of Harvest Riverside’s origins told in Jesus Revolution minimizes Frisbee’s involvement and arguably amplifies the credit given to Laurie for Harvest Riverside’s early success. Frisbee’s widow Connie says, “I can testify that Greg Laurie is not a truth teller. He has built his ministry on Lonnie’s foundation while erasing Lonnie from the story.” The producers of Jesus Revolution did not speak to her, she says, after Laurie told them she was dead. Nevertheless, Laurie successfully developed the Bible study group in Newport Beach. He and his wife Cathe (they started dating when she was 15 and he was 18, and married after she graduated from high school) proved a reliable anchor for attracting followers.

52. Harvest Riverside is now one of the largest churches in the United States, supporting a congregation of approximately 15,000 each Sunday that continues to grow. Harvest Riverside’s mission is “to know God and make Him known.” It has an active program in Hawaii where Laurie and other ministers maintain luxury homes.

53. Since 1990, Harvest Riverside has organized regular Harvest Crusades, which have reached millions of people. It is a member of Calvary Chapel, a non-denominational association of evangelical churches, numbering 1,800 in the United States and additional locations abroad.

54. In 2017, Harvest Riverside joined the Southern Baptist Convention. This was considered a coup for the Southern Baptists because of Laurie’s prominence in the evangelical movement.

D. Paul Havsgaard

55. Paul Havsgaard was born in 1949 and now lives in Forest Hills, California. At all material times herein, he was a resident of California.

56. He is the oldest of seven children. Their father was an alcoholic who was chronically out of work and frequently beat the children, and their mother was a nurse who was often absent because she had to support her struggling family.

57. Havsgaard grew up in Riverside, California and attended Ramona High School, graduating in 1967, and married his high school girlfriend Kathy Warrick (“Kathy”) when she was 16. He then joined the Navy, serving on a destroyer off the coast of Vietnam as an aviation electrician’s mate. He took some college classes but does not have a degree, and did not attend seminary. He and Kathy divorced in 2007 and have both remarried.

58. When Havsgaard’s marriage to Kathy was in difficulty in 1971, he was advised to attend Laurie’s Bible study class. Kathy wanted to end the marriage because she felt no intimacy from Paul and his only sexual interest was in infrequent anal sex. Laurie told her that it was her duty as a Christian wife to make the marriage work, and she ultimately adopted this approach. She was later to say that according to the beliefs prevailing at Harvest, a wife who criticized or contradicted her husband was “lower than a sewer.” The Havsgaards moved to be closer to Laurie and the Calvary community, becoming active in outreach and organizational work.

59. Laurie selected Havsgaard to run Harvest Homes in Romania in part because they had worked closely together for decades running Harvest Riverside.

60. Havsgaard became Assistant Pastor in charge of Children’s Ministry at Harvest Riverside in 1976. In the early 1980s, he left Harvest to become senior pastor at the Calvary Chapel of the High Desert in Victorville, California.

61. Havsgaard liked running a church of his own, but as Harvest Riverside grew and Laurie began to travel more, Laurie thought Havsgaard would make a suitable senior deputy and asked him to return. Havsgaard accepted because it gave him a chance to operate in a growing organization with larger reach than his isolated desert congregation.


Figure 6: Havsgaard baptizing a young man as pastor of Calvary Chapel of the High Desert, 1982

62. Havsgaard liked running a church of his own, but as Harvest Riverside grew and Laurie began to travel more, Laurie thought Havsgaard would make a suitable senior deputy and asked him to return. Havsgaard accepted because it gave him a chance to operate in a growing organization with larger reach than his isolated desert congregation.

63. When Havsgaard returned to Harvest Riverside in 1984, many people viewed him as the second most powerful pastor next to Laurie and a possible competitor for the top job. It was a new, entrepreneurial organization, growing rapidly. Neither Laurie nor Havsgaard had a college degree or had worked outside the Calvary movement, which did not have established traditions or specific credentials required for leadership. That meant personal followings were an important barometer for pastors, and Havsgaard was popular with many at Harvest Riverside as the church was expanding.


Figure 7: Laurie (front row, center) and Havsgaard (front row, far left, coral shirt) with other Harvest Riverside staff, 1990s

64. But Havsgaard also had his problems and detractors. He was known to be volatile, to have a big ego requiring constant praise, and to be badly organized, for example frequently forgetting scheduled meetings.

GENERAL ALLEGATIONS

I. HARVEST RIVERSIDE ESTABLISHES CHILDREN’S HOMES IN ROMANIA

A. Origins of the Harvest Homes

65. As reported in Calvary Chapel Magazine, Havsgaard “first came to Romania on an outreach in 1998 as an assistant to Greg Laurie, who is a nationally known Calvary Chapel evangelist and pastor.”2 Visiting under the auspices of a group called Samaritan’s Purse, Havsgaard distributed shoeboxes of gifts to children in Bucharest on behalf of Harvest Riverside.

66. The experience induced Havsgaard to suggest, and Laurie to approve, a permanent Harvest Riverside mission in Romania.

67. Romania was well known in the 1990s for attracting pedophiles, because in addition to the grinding poverty that drove many people, including children, into sex work, the country’s institutions were weak and corrupt, and foreigners could easily evade punishment. In fact, Bucharest was widely regarded as the pedophilia capital of Europe.

68. Later in 1998, Havsgaard returned to Bucharest with Kathy to implement a plan Laurie had approved to build up Harvest Riverside’s presence in Romania (“Harvest Homes”) and established a local Romanian entity, the Fundatia Harvest Romanian (“Local Foundation”), to handle the formalities.

69. While Defendants delegated much of the day-to-day running of the Harvest Homes to Havsgaard in Romania, key decisions were made in California by Laurie and Schutte in keeping with Laurie’s position of supreme authority at Harvest Riverside, and because an important object of the Romanian venture was to bring financial benefits and prestige to Harvest Riverside and Laurie.

B. The Harvest Homes Were a Fundraising Vehicle for Laurie and Harvest Riverside

70. The Harvest Homes were designed in part as a fundraising and marketing tool for Harvest Riverside, which was able to attract more money and positive regard for itself and Laurie in the United States by highlighting its charitable efforts in Romania.

71. Defendants conducted regular and substantial fundraising programs in California based on the Romanian venture.

72. Harvest Riverside taught congregants in California how to say “Jesus loves you” in Romanian to build connections with the child residents of Harvest Homes, and encourage donations.

73. Defendants established a California charity, ARK, to raise money in the United States for the Harvest Homes and other international projects and to promote the Harvest organizations. Harvest Riverside and ARK, in partnership, conducted many fundraising events in California. The money raised in these joint fundraisers went through the California corporation and was then redistributed to Harvest Riverside and other Harvest Riverside ventures.

74. Harvest Riverside and ARK shared employees and management, including Havsgaard (employee of Harvest Riverside, on the board of ARK) and Schutte (employee and senior pastor at Harvest Riverside, on the board of ARK). Another ARK board member, Wes Denham (“Denham”), was a Calvary minister close to Laurie and Schutte.

75. Defendants set up ARK in California to be a fundraising vehicle for their activities in Romania and became a conduit for members of Harvest Riverside to donate funds meant for Harvest Riverside’s activities in Romania, in addition to funds sent directly by Harvest Riverside.

76. Harvest Riverside and Laurie effectively controlled ARK.

77. Money from Harvest Riverside and ARK paid employees of the Local Foundation.

78. ARK used Harvest Riverside’s and Laurie’s resources and contacts to raise money, including using Harvest Riverside’s main fundraising telephone number in California.

79. The Harvest Homes showed many indicators of being an outpost of Harvest Riverside. They were commonly referred to as being part of “Harvest.” The children were given Harvest-branded T-shirts and hats to wear. Visitors and volunteers from Harvest Riverside came to help at the Homes.


Figure 8.a: Kathy and Harvest Homes children wearing Harvest-branded clothes


Figure 8.b: Kathy and Harvest Homes children wearing Harvest-branded clothes  

80. Havsgaard returned frequently to California, where he remained a legal resident at all relevant times, checking in with Schutte and Laurie, and sometimes bringing children with him as walking advertisements for his Romanian mission (and to sexually abuse in private at his house and elsewhere). They participated in multiple church services and raised money for Harvest Riverside and the Harvest Homes.

81. For years, Harvest Riverside deposited large sums of money supposedly designated for Harvest Homes’ operating costs directly into Havsgaard’s personal bank account. Havsgaard then used large portions of these funds to buy things for himself as well as abundant presents and alcohol for his child sex victims to keep them pliant, and to buy silence from Harvest staff about his child abuse.

82. Harvest Riverside allowed this misdirection of its funds to continue for years. Laurie set up a substantial venture in Romania and directed large sums to its support, but required no proper accounts or financial audits, no regular inspections of the Homes, no child protection policies or training. Instead, Laurie continued to gather the donations that flowed into Harvest Riverside based on energetic advertising in the United States about the supposed good works Harvest was doing in Bucharest, and the accompanying prestige.

C. Havsgaard Arrives in Romania with a History of Sexual Criminality and Cruelty

1. Havsgaard’s Sister Makes an Early Report of His Abuse of Children

83. Havsgaard is the oldest of seven children, four boys and three girls.

84. When Havsgaard was twelve to 18 years old, he repeatedly raped his younger sister Mary M. (who was eight to 14 years old at the time), threatening beatings and death if she reported him.

85. In this same period, Havsgaard similarly and regularly raped another younger sister, Hanna H., also starting when she was eight, also employing similar threats.

86. When confronted by Hanna H. and another sister, Samantha S., about this sexual abuse in or around 1994, in the presence of Havsgaard’s wife Kathy, Havsgaard reluctantly admitted it but told Samantha S. “I don’t need this drama; don’t bother me with this.”

87. At a later point, Samantha S. concluded she had to make sure Harvest Riverside knew that her brother was a danger to children. She found it strange that Havsgaard’s big ego, bullying and volatile temper had not already set back his career. Given what she knew about his voracious sexual interest in children, she thought it likely he had been abusing them as a minister too, and worried it was all being covered up to protect Laurie and Harvest Riverside.

88. Samantha S. decided to put Havsgaard’s pedophilia on the record with the organization. Shemet with a Harvest Riverside lay leader, Nehemias Quintanilla, who was teaching a Spanish Bible study course. The meeting took place at a coffee shop in the Redlands area.

89. Samantha S. reported to Quintanilla that when Havsgaard was a teenager, he had repeatedly raped his sisters Hanna H. and Mary M. as children.

90. Quintanilla replied, “This happens in a family if they learn it from another generation. That’s just what happens.” But Quintanilla also told Samantha S. that a letter critical of Havsgaard had been circulated among the Harvest Riverside congregation, implying that he respected her decision to report him, and ended the conversation there.

91. Upon information and belief, shortly after Samantha S.’s report to Quintanilla about Havsgaard’s history of sexual abuse, Quintanilla told his superiors at Harvest Riverside about her allegations. On information and belief, they took no action in response.

2. Havsgaard Molests His Foster Daughter

92. While a pastor at Harvest Riverside, Havsgaard also molested a foster daughter, Julia J. starting in or around 1986, when he was in his late thirties, and she was 15 or 16.

93. Julia J. reports: “One day I was at the dryer, and Paul came up behind me and pushed himself onto me. His penis was erect. He knew my history and that being molested was what put me in foster care to begin with. I froze. He backed away and left the garage.”

94. Shortly thereafter, when Julia J. was in her bedroom, Havsgaard “came in, crouched down, slipped his hand in my underpants, and inserted his finger into my anus. Before he put his finger in my underpants, he put it in his mouth as though he had done it many times before. Every time he did it, it was the same thing. I lived there for over a year and a half. It happened five or six times during that period.”

3. Kathy Havsgaard Arrives in Bucharest Aware of Havsgaard’s Unsuitability for the Role

95. Kathy’s own marriage to Havsgaard was long troubled, in part because of his sexual compulsions. He did not want to have sex with her, and when they did, perhaps two or three times a year, he only wanted anal sex, which she disliked, and also to urinate inside her vagina. Havsgaard had also told Kathy that during his time in the Navy, he had strong sexual feelings for a man, whose name he would shout out during their sporadic sexual interactions. (She believed he had had sex with the man, but Havsgaard denied this.) She had reason to believe he had raped a four-year-old girl and urinated inside her. He was also emotionally distant and dominant.

96. Despite her unhappiness, Kathy felt a strong duty, one that had been reinforced repeatedly at Harvest Riverside and by Laurie, to stand by her husband as a good Christian wife. She did not at all want to accompany Havsgaard to Romania: she was still grieving the loss of her teenage daughter, caring for her and Havsgaard’s elderly parents, and wanted to be close to her children and grandchildren. But Havsgaard wanted to go, and Laurie said it was her obligation to go with her husband.

97. The fact that Harvest Riverside was able to send an apparently wholesome married couple to Romania was an important reassurance to Romanian authorities that the Harvest Homes would be properly run, and a plus for fundraising in California. Kathy joined Havsgaard on the Board of the Local Foundation.

D. Daily Operations of the Harvest Homes

98. Havsgaard never learned Romanian. Accompanied by a translator, he recruited children off the streets, most commonly by buying them McDonald’s meals and promising a better life. Once he recruited a few children who spoke English, he used them (instead of an adult translator) to recruit more children. The youngest resident he recruited was four years old.

99. Funds raised by Defendants in California paid for everything to keep the Romanian operation afloat: the purchase of the Harvest Homes themselves, their furniture and equipment, salaries for Havsgaard and local staff, food and supplies, cars, and Harvest-branded shirts and hats for employees and children.

100. Laurie, Schutte and Harvest Riverside sent Havsgaard approximately $17,000 a month, which in Romania at that time had huge purchasing power.

101. By comparison: Steve Quarles, an American minister working in Romania at the same time, was able to provide for his family of eight, run three different churches, and pay an assistant, all for $1,400 per month.

102. Defendants sent the funds from California directly into Havsgaard’s personal bank account. From there he transferred funds for the Harvest Homes’ operation into the Local Foundation’s Romanian bank account based on requests from the local Finance Director, Eugen Roman (“Roman”). Roman did not have visibility into what Havsgaard did with the rest of the money.

103. The Winter 2002 edition of the Calvary Chapel Magazine had an eight-page article, “Saving One Child At A Time – Harvest Romania” that displayed many gripping photos of Romanian street children, illustrating the moving story of Harvest Riverside’s decision to establish a network of children’s homes in Romania under Havsgaard. The article quoted Havsgaard as being “concerned about pedophiles that travel throughout Europe to engage abandoned children in their perverted practices. They find Romania’s street children easy prey.”3


Figure 9.a: Page from Calvary Chapel Magazine, Winter 2002, showing Havsgaard, in red shirt, talking to street children in Bucharest


Figure 9.b: Zoomed-in extract from Figure 9.a, showing the US phone number for Harvest Homes in Romania


Figure 9.c: Zoomed-in extract from Figure 9.a, discussing Havsgaard’s work in Romania

104. Page 15 of the Winter 2002 edition of the Calvary Chapel Magazine asks for donations to help Havsgaard’s work and lists the same phone number that Harvest Riverside used for its day-to-day business in California, (909) 687-6902. This number was also listed on Harvest Riverside’s website at the time.

105. Fundraising materials in the United States for the Harvest Homes also listed Harvest Riverside’s California phone numbers as the method of contact.

106. Defendants sought publicity in other outlets in this period, including the Christian Science Monitor, which refers to Havsgaard as “director of the Romanian branch of the California-based Harvest Foundation.”4

107. The July 2003 edition of Prayer Watch, a monthly publication by Harvest Riverside, lists Havsgaard’s and Kathy’s work at the Harvest Homes as one of its missions and asks members of the Harvest Riverside congregation to pray each day for the Havsgaards and the financial support of the Harvest Homes.5


Figure 10: Extract from Prayer Watch, July 2003

108. After several months at rented premises in Iancului, Havsgaard received funds and authority from Laurie and Harvest Riverside to buy a property in Buftea, a suburb about 25 kilometers northeast of central Bucharest. The children moved there just before Christmas 1998.

109. Owning the Buftea property allowed Havsgaard to increase recruitment.

110. By 2000, Laurie authorized the purchase of two more homes to house the growing number of children in Havsgaard’s care, one in the Dămăroaia district in north Bucharest for housing girls and young boys, and a smaller one in Strada Bârlogeni, mostly for boys.


Figure 11: The Buftea home in 2017

111. By 2000, Laurie authorized the purchase of two more homes to house the growing number of children in Havsgaard’s care, one in the Dămăroaia district in north Bucharest for housing girls and young boys, and a smaller one in Strada Bârlogeni, mostly for boys.

112. Havsgaard quickly made such a name for himself that police officers would bring him children they found in the streets to put in the homes.

113. While the children in Havsgaard’s care lived across multiple properties, they met frequently and came together for Bible study, prayer and Sunday school, all of which Havsgaard led in English, a language most of the children did not understand.

114. At first, the children were pleased to be admitted to the Harvest Homes. All had come from desperate situations, many sleeping on the street and subsisting by begging. The security of a bed, three meals a day, and the semblance of a normal family life were miracles to them.

115. Once they had settled in, Havsgaard began to sexually abuse them.


Figure 12: Bible study at Harvest, which Havsgaard typically led

Part 2 of 3


Figure 12: Bible study at Harvest, which Havsgaard typically led

II. HAVSGAARD’S SEXUAL ABUSE OF PLAINTIFF AND OTHER CHILDREN WAS RAMPANT

A. Havsgaard Used Defendants’ Authority and Resources to Groom Scores of Children for Sex

116. Once Havsgaard successfully recruited a child, plucked from destitution and completely reliant on his goodwill to avoid returning to the streets, he started grooming them for sex. He would begin by treating them warmly and gently, showing kindness that was unusual for these children to experience from an adult, particularly a father figure.

117. Soon he might nuzzle the child, then progress to glancing touches, then lingering ones, on the lower back, then the thighs, buttocks, and groin. Then things got worse.

118. At the time Havsgaard was a heavy, powerful man, 5’9”, 275-300 pounds, clearly able to physically overpower children and teenagers.

1. Havsgaard’s Multiple Forms of Child Sexual Abuse

119. Often, under the guise of punishment for infractions both real and invented, Havsgaard stripped off the children’s trousers and underwear, bent them over his legs, and hit them. Then, with them naked from the waist down, he would force them over his knee, directly on top of his crotch, and spank them.

120. He often got erect, which the children could feel through his clothes.

121. At times, Havsgaard would also massage their legs and buttocks, at first rubbing in a way that was not painful, but eventually he would usually probe their anal area with his fingers.

122. This frequently led to Havsgaard painfully inserting his finger in the child’s anus.

123. Sometimes he would smell or lick his fingers after doing this, even if covered with feces, a signature fetish.

124. The combination of spanking with digital anal penetration was so common that the children developed a polyglot Romanian-English term for it, which sounded like “spanky.”

125. For boys, he also fondled their penis and scrotum.

126. Mostly Havsgaard abused the children in this way in private (in a bedroom or the attic), but he also did so in front of other children including at the Sunday church service, which Havsgaard led and where Harvest staff were present.

127. Havsgaard administered these painful sexual abuse sessions regularly, from multiple times a week to several times a day, depending on the child and Havsgaard’s whims.

128. Many times, the cries of the victims were widely audible. This prompted Havsgaard to choke children during punishment, additionally terrifying them. One boy remembers being punished, then being asked to touch Havsgaard’s erect penis, with Havsgaard choking him to make sure he stayed quiet, saying: “It will all be over soon.”

129. Harvest staff knew of Havsgaard’s sexual abuse, and some used it to threaten children when they misbehaved, giving the kids a macabre choice of discipline: either kneel for hours with their bare knees on broken walnut shells, or with their face against the tile wall of a bathroom, arms raised, or “go with Paul”—to be spanked, fondled, masturbated, digitally penetrated, and sometimes anally raped.

130. Beyond the “spankies” with or without anal digital penetration, for both boys and girls, Havsgaard had multiple ways of sexually abusing the children in his charge, who were as young as four:

a. He took shirtless photos of the boys saying they were for their American sponsors but actually used them for his own sexual gratification.

b. He showed them pornography on computers and on his phone at the Harvest homes;

c. He made the children join him in watching pornography, both straight and gay, commenting favorably, normalizing sexual activity;

d. While walking or sitting with children, he repeatedly touched both boys’ and girls’ intimate areas, including their inner thighs and groins;

e. He fondled the children’s thighs and crotch on car trips while they sat in the passenger’s seat as he drove;

f. He took boys to spend nights in a hotel room alone with him, or on lengthy rides in his car late at night, during which he continued his touching, grooming and other sexual activities;

g. He watched the children shower and bathe naked, often while masturbating himself;

h. He masturbated in the boys’ bedrooms, sometimes while groping one or more boys;

i. He forced boys to masturbate him;

j. He forced boys to accept masturbation from him;

k. He forced boys to give him oral sex;

l. He forced boys to accept oral sex from him;

m. He forced boys to have anal sex with him;

n. He would remove fecal matter from the children’s anuses and lick his fingers; and

o. He took and kept videos of sexual encounters with boys and girls, which was child pornography.

131. Havsgaard often accompanied his sexual abuse with a patter professing that he was their “father,” that he loved them “as a father,” and that they were all part of one loving “family”—with him in control. He told the children “I know what God wants,” and “what I want, God wants.”

132. Havsgaard’s perverse murmurings added to the harm and upset from Havsgaard’s sexual abuse.

133. Stories circulating about Havsgaard’s abuse of the children caused outsiders to deride residents of the homes as gay, a terrible stigma in Romania at that time.

134. Like other child sex abuse victims, many residents of the homes were in complete tumult about their sexual identity.

135. Beyond Havsgaard’s regular sexual conquest of boys, he also assaulted the girls. Havsgaard would undress them and force them on top of his lap. He would then brutally spank their bare bottoms. Whilst he was spanking some of them, he would touch himself.

136. When he had finished his physical attacks, Havsgaard would then force some of the girls to stand naked in front of him, while he looked them up and down, hugged them, caressed them, and kissed them.

137. Some educational programs were instituted at first, but these degenerated and the children emerged from the Harvest Homes with little or no schooling, prepared only for manual labor, a return to the streets and/or sex work. Some remain illiterate.

2. Havsgaard Lavishes Rewards on His Favorites, Further Corrupting the Ethos of the Homes

138. The children, at sea in this abusive environment, learned that giving into Havsgaard’s predation brought rewards.

139. His favorites received expensive gifts like stereos and PlayStations, branded clothing and sneakers, better food, trips outside the home, overnight trips to hotels with him (where they had to stay in the same room and bed), and sometimes permission to see their families (if they had one).

140. Some boys were permitted to have girlfriends and have sex with them in the homes starting at age 13 or 14—Havsgaard’s way of reassuring the boys that they were “not homosexual” despite regular anal rape from Havsgaard, and a reward for being available to him and keeping silent.

141. They were allowed to drive Harvest vehicles while underage and without a license. On at least one occasion, a boy caused a serious accident.

142. Several boys would unlock and open the bathroom door to watch Havsgaard’s wife Kathy showering. She asked Havsgaard to intervene to stop them, but he did nothing, and they continued to besiege and ogle her in the bathroom.

143. Finally, Kathy took to having a bucket in her bedroom to urinate and used baby wipes to give herself a “shower.”

144. Havsgaard’s favorite boys basked in their special status, despite their inner turmoil, and often taunted and beat up the other kids without repercussions from Havsgaard or other Harvest staff.

3. Children Were Terrified of Havsgaard’s Abuse of Others

145. Havsgaard’s flagrant abuse of children meant that everyone lived on constant high alert, fearing when he might next single them out.

146. The children often saw Havsgaard sexually abuse others through open doors: “spankies,” masturbation, oral sex, digital penetration, anal sex, and more.

147. One child found shoeboxes and wastebaskets full of feces in the attic of the Buftea home, where Havsgaard engaged in frequent anal sex with boys in his care.

148. One child who wanted permission to go out for an evening confronted Havsgaard in front of the other children and adults in the Harvest home. He asked Havsgaard directly, “What’s the deal? Do I have to stay for you to suck my dick to go out?”

149. Havsgaard’s response was to give a beating and “spankies.”

4. Children Repeatedly Witness Havsgaard Having Sex with One of the Boys in His Care, Leo L.

150. The children often saw evidence that Havsgaard was sexually abusing other children—their friends. For instance, one girl noticed that one of the boys, Leo L., at times left Havsgaard’s bedroom with a wet spot on the back of his shorts, which was apparently caused by leftover sexual lubricant or semen. Other times, children spotted dark stains on Leo L.’s trousers.

151. In or around 2007, when Havsgaard broke his leg, he requested that another minor resident of the Harvest Homes, Roxana-Maria Turuianu, tend to him in various ways. On at least one occasion, Havsgaard asked Roxana to wash him and got an erection. Mihai Petcu walked past and saw Havsgaard masturbating himself while Roxana washed his feet.

152. One of the children living at the Buftea home, Cristian Aeroaiei (“Cristian”), noticed Havsgaard going up to the attic and followed him there after a little while, curious about what was up there after he had seen Havsgaard carrying boxes upstairs. Cristian found Havsgaard with Leo L., both with their pants down. Leo L. was cleaning his buttocks.

153. Another child, Bogdan Ionescu (“Bogdan”), witnessed Havsgaard perform oral sex on Leo L. In or around 2006, Bogdan went to the bathroom, which was located near Havsgaard’s bedroom upstairs in Buftea. Havsgaard’s bedroom door was left slightly ajar, and Bogdan could see Havsgaard kneeling on the floor, shirtless, while Leo L. sat in front of him on the couch sucking Havsgaard’s penis.

154. Alexandru-Cristian Busca (“Busca”) also witnessed Havsgaard perform oral sex on Leo L. One day, Havsgaard had bought Leo L. a stereo, but Leo L. did not like how it sounded. Havsgaard purchased him another one, and he placed the first stereo in the attic of the Buftea house. Busca told Leo L. that he would like to have the discarded stereo. Leo L. told Busca that he (Leo L.) would ask Havsgaard if Busca could have it. Havsgaard and Leo L. went to the attic purportedly to look for the stereo, but they did not come back for several minutes. Busca went to look for them, but when he opened the door, Havsgaard was kneeling with Leo L. standing naked in front of him. Havsgaard had his mouth on Leo L.’s penis.

155. Finally, another child resident of Harvest Homes, George-Adrian Vasile (“Adrian”) also once entered a bedroom and saw Leo L. without trousers on with Havsgaard kneeling in front of him, performing oral sex on Leo L. Adrian closed the door immediately and left.

5. Children Repeatedly Witness Havsgaard Having Sex with One of the Boys in His Care, Mark M.

156. Cristian also walked in on Havsgaard performing oral sex on another boy, Mark M., in the home. Cristian had been looking for Havsgaard because he was promised money to buy new jeans. Although Cristian was surprised by what he saw, he did not leave; he just asked Mark M. to translate his request for cash so Havsgaard would understand it. Havsgaard then grabbed a handful of money and gave it to Cristian, showing no embarrassment over the sexual crime he was in the act of committing. Havsgaard returned to the blow job as soon as Cristian started to leave the room.

157. Alexandru also shared a room with Mark M., who would beg Busca not to leave the room, telling him, “don’t leave, Paul is coming again to suck my dick.”

6. Havsgaard Installed Video Recording Equipment in the Attic Where He Regularly Abused Children

158. Photography has been a lifetime hobby for Havsgaard.

159. Havsgaard installed videography equipment in the attic of the Buftea home, some of which was positioned over a hole in the ceiling of the shower. In the attic, Havsgaard kept audio recording devices, a box of video tapes including small format ones, and boxes with significant amounts of Romanian money.

160. This equipment is consistent with reports that Havsgaard took videos of naked children.

161. After some of his equipment and tapes were stolen, Havsgaard put all of his tapes in a leather bag carried over his chest that he never parted with.

7. A Life-Long Child Sex Abuser, Havsgaard Was Cruel and Perverse

162. Havsgaard used his total power over the children not just to gain sexual access, but to express his nasty and dominating personality.

163. For example, Havsgaard put some siblings in different homes to keep them isolated and increase his own power over them. He put children who displeased him out on the street in the winter, letting them plead in the cold and dark for re-entry.

164. Havsgaard strangled and smothered children with pillows, letting go just before they lost consciousness, had them tied to beds and radiators, and kept them under “room arrest” for days.

165. Havsgaard would promise children they could see their families but then never permit it, or he would grant, but then withdraw, permission, to prove he was the boss or make them more pliable.

166. Havsgaard kicked children out of the homes without notice, without any place to go or funds to tide them over.

167. Havsgaard took the children to use computers at the internet café owned by Cătălin Manescu (“Manescu”), who worked as a Harvest Romania driver and was later promoted by Havsgaard to Finance Director, located on Starada Mitropolit Varlaam. They also used a computer at the Buftea house with internet capability, often to watch porn with Havsgaard’s encouragement and participation.

168. Also, with Havsgaard’s encouragement, some of the underage boys accessed online sex forums. The boys then procured customers, sold their naked pictures, and also met for paid sex, with Havsgaard taking a cut of the proceeds.

169. In the evenings, Havsgaard also took boys to bathhouses where men, usually foreign tourists, would pay to wash and masturbate the boys, or for the boys to masturbate them.

170. Havsgaard took a cut of their earnings. He picked the boys up late at night after their activities, taking them back after he received his share.

171. The misery of Havsgaard’s regime extended to his wife, Kathy. She saw less and less of him, because “he always had a boy with him.” Excluded by Havsgaard from anything significant, and lacking purpose, Kathy “crocheted constantly” and taught this to some of the girls to have something useful to do. Havsgaard remained autocratic and emotionally distant, and she felt lonely and besieged in the acutely dysfunctional homes, to the point where she was constantly taking Valium to feel less awful. Things were so bad that Kathy built up a supply of Valium in case she had to commit suicide—and she was not a powerless child like Plaintiff, but an adult, an American, the wife of the man in charge, and a director of the Local Foundation.

172. Kathy returned to the United States and divorced Havsgaard in 2007.

B. Havsgaard Exploits Sponsors in California to Abuse Children

1. Havsgaard’s Fundraising Trips to California

173. Defendants in California had an active fundraising program for the Bucharest homes.

174. One aspect was Havsgaard’s regular fundraising trips to California during which he spoke at Harvest Riverside during Laurie’s services and at other churches. He went for several weeks every Christmas, and at other times too. Laurie enjoyed how the Romanian program reflected well on Harvest Riverside and him.

175. During the Christmas trips, he usually brought children living in the Harvest Homes with him to show them off and elicit more sympathy and money from donors. They considered this a great privilege and he mainly picked his favorites, who were most inured to acceding to his sexual demands.


Figure 13: Harvest Homes children in California on the beach with hosts

176. Havsgaard required sex from them in California too, keeping the boys upstairs in his house with him and ordering the girls to stay downstairs.


Figure 14: Two Harvest Homes children in California

177. On a trip in 2003, Romanian authorities required him to bring along a social worker employed by the Harvest Homes, Carmen Andreosi, to ensure that the children were properly treated. She spoke English and was supposed to accompany them on their activities. “In reality, once we arrived in the United States, Paul excluded me from caring for or supervising the children,” she says. “He used me as a cover to justify his travel with the children.”

178. Havsgaard left Andreosi alone in his California house for long periods, sometimes for many days, without giving any information about where he was taking the children. International calls were blocked, internet access was infrequent and Andreosi was in practical terms marooned, with a few eggs and leftovers from the children’s excursions left in the refrigerator.

179. Several times they were scheduled to go back to Romania; Havsgaard would leave Andreosi waiting for a pickup at the church, the library or even at the airport but not appear, changing his plans impulsively and without notification.

180. She observed: “In Romania, Paul frequently took the same group of teenage boys with him on private outings. He showered them with gifts—clothes, sweets and other items—while the younger children were excluded,” which made them upset. “The boys who went with him always returned quiet, never explaining where they had been or what had happened. This secrecy, combined with his favoritism, left me deeply uneasy. Although I did not personally witness physical abuse, I came to suspect that Paul might be a pedophile. The staff suspected something was wrong, but no one felt able to act at the time.”

2. False Promises to and About Sponsors

181. Another fundraising program tried to establish a direct connection between sponsors in California and individual children in Romania.

182. The families in California sent care packages and money to their sponsored children, sometimes as much as $500 per month.

183. Havsgaard bragged to the children that the sponsors were putting money aside as nest eggs to launch them when they graduated from the homes. In fact, none of the children received any of these funds, either while they stayed at the homes or afterwards. Havsgaard siphoned much of these earmarked funds for himself and his sexual favorites.

184. The sponsorship program, with its promise of a rosy future after Harvest Homes, was another lie Havsgaard exploited to line his own pockets while enticing sex and compliance from the children.

185. Some children spoke periodically to their sponsor families and told them they never saw any of this money. The sponsor families reported this back to Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte, but Defendants kept Havsgaard in place nonetheless.

3. Exploiting Promises of Adoption

186. Another form of cruelty came from Havsgaard’s assurances to many children that they were to be adopted by their sponsor families and live in the United States. Some children discussed this possibility with their future California families by video call, and the families were enthusiastic.

187. In one instance, two children, Bogdan and Cristina Popescu (“Cristina”), were told that Harvest Riverside had prepared the documents needed for their adoption and move to America, and all that was required was Havsgaard’s signature in front of some officials at the airport.

188. At around the same time, Havsgaard organized a fundraising trip to Harvest Riverside and intended to bring Bogdan, Cristina and a few other children with him. Havsgaard took Bogdan and Cristina to the airport to process the necessary paperwork.

189. At the airport, Havsgaard pulled Bogdan aside to go to the bathroom. Inside, Havsgaard went to grab the boy’s penis, but Bogdan objected.

190. Havsgaard used this as an excuse to refuse to sign the adoption papers, and both children were forced to return to Harvest Homes. They were crushed that Havsgaard had thwarted their near-escape.

191. Back at Harvest Homes, Bogdan was spanked and sexually assaulted by Havsgaard as a further punishment for resisting sexual abuse at the airport.

192. After refusing to sign the adoption papers, Havsgaard forbade Bogdan from speaking to his sponsors.

C. Children in Harvest Homes Suffer Intense Trauma as a Result of Havsgaard’s Abuse

193. Being a child at Harvest Homes was the opposite of the settled, supportive home life Defendants advertised: it was a cruel and hypocritical jungle that taught the way to survive was to give sex to Havsgaard, and to lie.

194. But the alternative, the children knew, would be awful: living on the street, sleeping on newspapers, dirty, always hungry, fearful, vulnerable to violence and even death.

195. Having to live with the possibility of physical and sexual abuse every day based on the changing whims of Havsgaard as the price for food and a bed was immensely stressful, indeed traumatic.

196. If they accused a rich and powerful American pastor of sex abuse, they were sure that poor street kids like themselves would be disbelieved and kicked out.

197. Some channeled their stress and misery into suicide attempts, including by hanging, by cutting their wrists, by drinking chlorine and many by taking pills. Havsgaard did nothing to help. Once they got better, he abused them again.

III. HAVSGAARD REPEATEDLY SEXUALLY ABUSES PLAINTIFF

A. Abuse from Havsgaard at Harvest Homes

198. Havsgaard started to sexually abuse Alexandru around three months after he arrived at Harvest Homes.

199. Havsgaard frequently walked around the Harvest Homes with flimsy shorts, without underwear, and his penis was visible to the children, including Plaintiff. At times, Havsgaard had his hand inside his shorts, apparently masturbating.

200. Havsgaard found reasons to “punish” Alexandru for infractions both real and invented. These punishments were Havsgaard’s opportunity to sexually assault him.

201. On multiple occasions, Havsgaard took Alexandru into the bathroom and undressed him, put Alexandru on his lap, and violently “spanked” his buttocks. Havsgaard also forcibly rubbed his finger on Alexandru’s anus. Plaintiff felt Havsgaard’s erection through his trousers when Havsgaard was abusing him.

202. Havsgaard ended these instances of abuse by kissing and hugging Alexandru. The “spankies” occurred often, sometimes three times a day. Alexandru was frequently in pain from the abuse.

203. Plaintiff often ran away from Harvest Homes but eventually returned because he needed food and shelter. Upon each return, Havsgaard punished him.

204. One form of punishment was to put Alexandru into solitary confinement (in Alexandru’s room) for a few days. 

205. Before being reaccepted to “normal” status, there was a final hurdle: Havsgaard would again administer “spanky,” fondle Alexandru’s anus, and violently strike him.

206. A second form of punishment was to kick Alexandru out of the homes. Havsgaard seemed to like this route particularly in the winter when outside temperatures were well below freezing. One such time, when Alexandru was twelve, Havsgaard forced him to sleep outside in the snow. Alexandru developed frostbite on one of his legs, for which he was hospitalized. Alexandru has pain in that leg to this day.

207. As another form of punishment, Havsgaard often forced Plaintiff to stand naked in the bathroom and then stare at him in a sexual manner. Havsgaard also masturbated while watching Alexandru take a bath. Plaintiff saw Havsgaard walk around with his hands inside of his trousers, masturbating, while Plaintiff was naked having a bath.

208. On some occasions, as if in a frenzy, Havsgaard choked Alexandru and forcefully rubbed his fingers on Alexandru’s anus.

209. When Alexandru was 14, Havsgaard entered Alexandru’s bedroom, locked the door, and started another “spanky” abuse session. Alexandru tried to flee the room but Havsgaard stopped him. Despairing, Alexandru punched his hand through one of the windows, jumped through the gap, and ran away. For days, Alexandru lived in the streets, struggling with the trauma from Havsgaard’s abuse. He drank large amounts of alcohol and slashed his arm with a sharp object, causing substantial bleeding. Police found him and took him to the hospital, where they saved his life. Alexandru still has visible scars from this suicide attempt.

210. Alexandru still recalls how he wanted to slash his whole body open that day. He attempted suicide several more times while he was a child resident of the Harvest Homes. Alexandru saw no other possible escape from Havsgaard’s abuse.

B. Awareness of Abuse of Other Children at Harvest Homes

211. Alexandru learned from the other boys at Harvest Homes that Havsgaard often masturbated in front of them.

212. Alexandru also heard other boys’ cries throughout the house.

C. Circumstances of Leaving Harvest Homes

213. In or around 2005, Havsgaard forced Alexandru to watch a pornographic video together with him in the attic. Havsgaard told Alexandru that it was a learning experience for when he grew up. But Alexandru felt ashamed and scared and so ran away for a final time.

214. For a while, Alexandru lived at a state orphanage. Although many of the physical conditions in the orphanage were worse than at Harvest Homes, Alexandru was content because he finally escaped Havsgaard’s abuse.

IV. HARVEST RIVERSIDE IS GIVEN REPEATED NOTICE THAT HAVSGAARD IS SEXUALLY ABUSING CHILDREN AT THE HARVEST HOMES

A. Romanian Staff Quickly Recognized Havsgaard as a Pedophile

215. Employees of the Local Foundation, Directors of the Local Foundation, and visitors from Harvest Riverside (including employed ministers) all quickly developed suspicions that Havsgaard was a child abuser, and word of this got back to Harvest Riverside in California.

216. Children at the Harvest homes repeatedly complained about being sexually abused, both to each other and to responsible adults, including the cook “Mama Tina” Radu Florea, the night watchman Paul Crivceac (“Crivceac”), and Roman, the Finance Director.

217. Kathy, Havsgaard’s wife and a Director of the Local Foundation, had known Havsgaard was a pedophile since at least 1994, when she was present for a family discussion convened by his sisters to get his apology for raping them when they were little girls. In Romania, she also suspected Havsgaard’s abuse but did not believe she should or could act on it. She was entirely dependent on Havsgaard in an unwelcoming foreign country for her entire existence—income, food, shelter, and adult conversation in English (she did not speak Romanian)—and subordinated any worries that arose about what he was doing to children in the Harvest Homes to her duties of devotion and obedience as a wife as taught by Laurie and the doctrine at Harvest Riverside, which had been her lodestar for 30 years. To oppose or publicly rebuke him was actually inconceivable.

B. Peter P. Reports Havsgaard’s Sexual Abuse to Harvest Homes Staff

218. Peter P. was a homeless child when he met Havsgaard. He moved into one of the Harvest Homes in or around 1998. He was an early source of reports to Local Foundation officials about Havsgaard’s sexual abuse. As is typical of sex abuse survivors, he tried different routes to get help from responsible adults, escalating over time as he kept being ignored.

219. Havsgaard’s abuse of Peter P. was consistent with that of other children. Havsgaard regularly pulled down Peter P.’s trousers and underwear and spanked his bare bottom; sometimes Havsgaard would let his hand linger, massage Peter P.’s buttocks, kiss them, or put his finger in Peter P.’s anus, which was painful and shocking.

220. Peter P. noticed that Havsgaard had favorites, on whom he would lavish gifts and special trips. Peter P. was not a favorite and complained to Havsgaard about getting less than the others. To console him, Havsgaard invited Peter P. into town.

221. After the trip, when Peter P. was sleeping on the top bunk of his room, Havsgaard came in and began to caress and massage him. Havsgaard put his hands under Peter P.’s clothes and around his buttocks. Because it was difficult to reach him on the top bunk, Havsgaard asked the boy in the bottom bunk to switch with Peter P. The boy did, giving Havsgaard greater access to Peter P.’s body. Havsgaard massaged and caressed Peter P.’s buttocks for half an hour. Peter P. understood this was the price he paid for his special outing that day.

222. When Peter P. was twelve or 13 years old, he broke his leg. With Peter P. especially vulnerable, Havsgaard insisted on washing Peter P. with his own hands. Havsgaard would caress Peter P.’s back and chest, and then move on to his buttocks and penis. Havsgaard would massage Peter P.’s genitals for 25 minutes or more. When Peter P. asked him to stop, Havsgaard told him that he was “like a son” to him, and to relax.

223. Another time, Havsgaard and Peter P. were in the garden for a “father-son” talk. During the conversation, Havsgaard proceeded to perform manual sex on Peter P.

224. On another occasion, Peter P. recalled Havsgaard having a heart-to-heart with him about how proud he was of Peter P. Once again, Havsgaard put his hands down Peter P.’s trousers and began performing manual sex on him.

225. Havsgaard asked Peter P., “Do you mind if you get a little bit wet?” Then, standing behind Peter P., Havsgaard began to masturbate so that he could ejaculate on Peter P.’s buttocks.

226. Havsgaard then rubbed his erect penis against Peter P.’s buttocks and attempted to rape him anally, aggressively asserting his authority by violently biting Peter P. Peter P. was terrified and managed to flee, a memory that still haunts him.

227. Peter P. felt confused and trapped. He could not reconcile Havsgaard’s abuse with the man he was supposed to trust as father figure and pastor. He knew he could not question the abuse without risking eviction and further assaults.

228. Peter P.’s response to this dilemma was to become more defiant.

229. Peter P. told staff members about the abuse, including the cook, Mama Tina, and Crivceac, the night caretaker. Nothing changed.

230. Peter P. wanted to provide more definitive proof so the adults at Harvest could no longer pretend everything was normal.

231. One night in 2002, Peter P. invited a group of boys and Crivceac into the living room and phoned Havsgaard on speakerphone without telling him.

232. In Peter P.’s words, this is what followed:

I asked [Havsgaard] what he would do if I came to his apartment. He said we would play. I asked him if he would give me a blow job. He said he wouldn’t force and would only do it if I liked it. I said no, I didn’t like it. I asked him if he liked it. Paul said he’d like to “suck me.” Paul had made a full confession to the room, including the staff assembled there, without realizing it. Then Paul said he would have one of his favorites the next night anyway.

C. A Couple from Harvest Riverside Encounters Signs of Child Abuse by Havsgaard and Reports Back to California

233. Another Harvest Riverside congregant, Randi Douthitt (“Douthitt”), visited the Harvest Homes in approximately 2002. She recalls that Havsgaard was always asking for money for the children, and she had raised $10,000 to help. When she arrived, she could see the children needed winter coats and suggested using the money for this purpose. Havsgaard refused. He also refused to let her give the children Bibles. Both of these refusals surprised her.

234. She was also surprised at the dilapidated state of the Harvest Homes. The walls were dirty and there was a big pile of broken bicycles.

235. She noticed that Havsgaard spent excessive amounts of time with Mark M., including late at night, and not with his wife. She also saw that Havsgaard showered Mark M. and another favorite, Stefan S., with gifts.

236. Douthitt knew that Havsgaard had rented a separate apartment for Stefan S., so he could stay there at age 17 with his girlfriend, who then had a baby at age 16, which she did not think taught proper Christian values.

237. At the same time, Havsgaard was very harsh with other children; he always had at least one child on lockdown.

238. Douthitt had gone to Bucharest with a friend, Sheryl, who was supposed to check the books. Havsgaard gave her only very limited access to financial information. Sheryl suspected that Havsgaard was running two sets of accounting books.

239. All this disturbed Douthitt sufficiently that she returned to the Harvest homes two weeks later with her husband John, a minister employed by Harvest Riverside.

240. The Douthitts offered to paint the dirty walls and to fix the bicycles, but Havsgaard would not let them. They offered to stay in Bucharest to help him for several months, but Havsgaard refused that too. The Douthitts got the impression that Havsgaard did not want them to know what was going on in the Harvest Homes. They did not see direct evidence of pedophilia, but they suspected it.

241. When the Douthitts returned to California, they heard from an official at Harvest Riverside who wanted to know what they had seen at the Harvest Homes. They gave a full report of what they had witnessed and their impressions of Havsgaard.

Part 3 of 3

D. Roman Triggers Investigation by Harvest Riverside

1. Roman Learns of Havsgaard’s Sexual Abuse of Children

242. As early as 2001, a woman Harvest hired as an educator told Roman, the Finance Director and board member of the Local Foundation, that there was something suspicious happening between Stefan S. and Havsgaard. She suspected that Havsgaard was a pedophile.

243. Roman then asked Stefan S. if Havsgaard had been abusing him. Stefan S. denied this, but told the other boys that Roman had “figured it out.”

244. The news of Roman’s discussion with Stefan S. reached Havsgaard, who summoned Roman to an urgent meeting with Kathy also present.

245. Havsgaard tried to gaslight Roman, asking “How could you think I would harm [the children]?”

246. Roman remained suspicious. He made a friend at Harvest Riverside, Dan Cojocnean (“Cojocnean”), who was originally from Romania and immigrated to California. Cojocnean was in charge of assembling contributions to the Harvest Homes from members of Harvest Riverside in California, and then arranging their transport to Romania as an agent of Harvest Riverside and ARK. On their behalf, he visited the Harvest Homes three times. No later than 1999, Roman told Cojocnean that he feared Havsgaard was a pedophile.

247. Cojocnean told Roman that when Havsgaard went back to California for his fundraising trips, he badmouthed Roman as dishonest, apparently seeking to “prebut” any possible criticisms of his own behavior.

248. Havsgaard apparently suspected that Roman had told Cojocnean about his pedophilia, so Havsgaard then badmouthed Cojocnean to people at Harvest too.

249. On information and belief, Cojocnean told his supervisors at Harvest about his suspicions of Havsgaard’s pedophilia. Cojocnean eventually became disgusted that Harvest Riverside was leaving Havsgaard in place and taking advantage of the people whose donations he was canvassing for Romania, so he left the church.

250. Roman felt intimidated by Havsgaard but continued to collect evidence about his illicit behavior.

251. In 2003, Roman went to the Buftea home and asked the staff if Havsgaard was doing anything unusual at night. The night staff told him that Havsgaard was often out with a boy named Julian J.

252. Roman learned that Havsgaard had ordered the night watchman, Crivceac, not to log his nocturnal travels with boys. Crivceac said to Roman it seemed evident Havsgaard was having sex with Julian J.

253. Roman found receipts that corroborated Havsgaard’s late-night trips with Julian J. and other boys, showing repeated purchases of snacks for two people after midnight at gas stations on the Bucharest ring road including purchases of alcohol.

254. Armed with this new evidence, Roman confronted Havsgaard, who claimed he was taking Julian J. out “to evangelize him.” Roman did not believe this.

255. Roman then discovered that Havsgaard was paying his driver, Marcel Musceleanu, $600 per month, compared to the $400 per month Roman was earning as Finance Director—a huge salary for a driver, much more than the Local Foundation needed to pay at standard rates.

256. This suggested to Roman that Havsgaard was using Harvest money to buy silence from his driver about where he was taking him, who was with him, and what he was doing.

257. Roman also learned that Havsgaard was paying Manescu, another driver who also ran an internet café Havsgaard liked to go to, directly in cash and without receipts, which also signaled Havsgaard was trying to hide something.

258. Finally, Julian J. disclosed to Roman that Havsgaard had committed sexual acts with another child. Mama Tina, the cook, also told Roman that Peter P. had come into the kitchen very upset and asked Mama Tina if she knew what Havsgaard “did to the children.”

259. Roman spoke to Mugur Dragomir, a lawyer friend and former police colonel, who said the evidence was sufficient to destroy Havsgaard and Harvest’s reputation.

260. While stopping Havsgaard was important to Roman, Roman did not want to destroy the Harvest Homes and force the children back into the streets.

261. By October 2004, Roman thought he had enough evidence confirming Havsgaard’s pedophilia and confronted him again. Roman then gave Havsgaard 30 days to have Laurie choose and announce Havsgaard’s replacement.

2. Harvest Riverside Investigates Havsgaard in 2004

262. Havsgaard did contact Laurie and Schutte about Roman’s ultimatum, but, on information and belief, he falsely accused Roman of stealing money and of trying to obscure that theft by accusing Havsgaard of child abuse.

263. At about this same time, Steve Quarles, a Calvary minister working in Romania, heard reports that Havsgaard was abusing the children in the homes. He left a phone message at Harvest Riverside laying this out in a way he expected would generate a rapid response. No one called him back.

264. Disturbed by the strange silence, he asked the pastor from his home church in California, John Dunkan of Calvary Chapel Lake Elsinore, to call on his behalf and implore Harvest Riverside to investigate.

265. Some weeks later, Quarles was home in California and happened to be in the Lake Elsinore church office when he took a phone call in the absence of Pastor Dunkan. A person he believes to be Schutte said, “We have a problem. One of your missionary pastors has made an awful accusation about Paul Havsgaard.” Schutte was angry. Quarles told Schutte that in fact he was the source of the accusation, and a tense conversation ensued.

266. Several days later, as he was being driven to the airport to go back to Romania, Quarles received another call from Schutte, who was much more amiable. Schutte asked Quarles if he would replace Havsgaard and run the Harvest Homes. Quarles did not want the job but agreed to perform an audit of the Harvest Homes. Anticipating that Havsgaard would be fighting for his professional life, Quarles said he would run the audit only if he could have the help of two other Calvary pastors working in Romania, Shane Herman (“Herman”) and Bob Keenan (“Keenan”). Schutte agreed.

267. The three performed the audit in October 2004.

268. Quarles, Herman and Keenan interviewed staff at all the houses being run by Havsgaard and discovered turmoil.

269. Crivceac, the night caretaker, provided a statement to the audit team, stating that his wife, a cleaner at the homes, had told him that things there were “not right,” so he had kept his eyes open and began seeing suspicious behavior by Havsgaard.

270. Crivceac reported that Havsgaard was “overly touchy” with the kids, looking to cuddle them much too often. He gave some boys large amounts of attention and would go out at night with a single boy at a time, not returning until well past midnight.

271. Crivceac also reported that Havsgaard took one particular favorite, Leo L., on trips and gave him many gifts.When Crivceac asked Leo L. where Havsgaard took him, Leo L. refused to answer.

272. Havsgaard would also regularly take individual boys into the attic for extended periods.

273. Three boys—Alexandru M., Peter P. and Mark M.—had told Crivceac that Havsgaard had sexually abused them, and Peter P. often loudly and publicly proclaimed this.

274. Quarles was so alarmed by what he learned from Crivceac and others that he insisted to Schutte that he come see the Harvest Homes for himself.

275. On information and belief, Schutte discussed this brewing crisis in Harvest’s Romanian mission with Laurie, who kept his distance by sending Schutte rather than going to see for himself.

276. In November 2004, Schutte, accompanied by Denham, another senior Calvary pastor on the board of ARK, arrived in Bucharest to see the Harvest Homes on behalf of Harvest Riverside and Laurie. They met with the audit team of Quarles, Herman and Keenan, who told the visiting chiefs from headquarters the following findings from their survey of the homes:

a. Ample money was arriving from Harvest Riverside, some $17,000 a month, but Havsgaard was spending some $5,000 of it without receipts or other records. Because dollars went a long way in Romania at that time, these were substantial sums, particularly as the siphoning accumulated over the years.

b. They had seen receipts gathered by Roman which showed Havsgaard taking boys to hotels hours away from Bucharest, and going on trips with them in Bucharest where they would buy snacks and alcohol after midnight.

c. Roman had told the audit team that he had heard multiple accounts of sexual abuse by Havsgaard from both staff and children in the homes.

d. Roman had told them that he also understood that Havsgaard had been arrested for child abuse in Romania.

277. Schutte and Denham then met with Roman directly. Their line of questioning surprised Roman, who was worried about Havsgaard’s sexual abuse, because the visitors avoided that topic to focus on Havsgaard’s misuse of Harvest Riverside money.

278. Roman answered their questions, telling them how suppliers were not being paid because Havsgaard was not providing him with enough funds despite the regular payments from Harvest Riverside, and produced detailed accountings over many months. Schutte was shocked and asked for a copy, which Roman provided. Schutte then promised that Harvest Riverside would pay the shortfall and send it directly to the Local Foundation’s account, bypassing Havsgaard to whom Harvest Riverside had previously sent all California funds directly.

279. Roman also raised his worries about Havsgaard as a pedophile. He gave the visitors an account of Havsgaard’s inappropriate spending on late-night excursions with the boys, and relayed reports from other staff about Havsgaard’s abuse.

280. At the end of the meeting, Schutte took him aside and directed him to stop talking about any child abuse by Havsgaard. Schutte then returned to California.

281. Even so, Quarles was now persuaded that Havsgaard was a pedophile. He was based in Romania and called Roman to say he was thinking of reporting Havsgaard to the police.

282. Roman worried that the homes might collapse and told Quarles that replacing Havsgaard would be better than abruptly getting him sent to jail and leaving the Harvest Homes leaderless.

283. Quarles pursued the idea of replacing Havsgaard quickly with his contacts at Harvest Riverside in California.

284. Several weeks later, Schutte returned to Romania.

285. Quarles believed the overwhelming evidence that Havsgaard was a pedophile and thought firing him from Harvest was essential. He told Schutte and Denham, “Paul [Havsgaard] needs to be on that plane with you when you leave tomorrow. He doesn’t need to be another day in Romania. He is an embarrassment to every single missionary and Christian worker. Get him out of here and into counselling.”

286. That started out as the plan. Schutte, Pastor Shane Herman and a Romanian businessman, Robert Dinca, met with Roman and told him that Havsgaard would be on a plane to California in the next few days, but Roman also had to resign.

287. Apparently, Defendants wanted a “clean sweep” of the old regime and no one in power left to reveal their failings to authorities in Romania or California. Quarles and Herman were going to take over for Havsgaard, and Dinca was going to take over for Roman.

288. But Havsgaard refused to leave, and Defendants acquiesced. When the time came for Havsgaard to go, Schutte and Denham told Quarles that Havsgaard “is very important because he is the face of the ministry. He’s the one who goes and talks to the churches and raises the money. We can’t not have him be part of things.”

289. This answer had to reflect the views of Laurie, the ultimate authority at Harvest Riverside who had set the entire Romanian enterprise in motion and had taken credit for it. This was an acutely sensitive matter, Havsgaard was Laurie’s long-time collaborator, and the idea that Schutte decided this independently of Laurie is not credible.

290. This reply was so shocking that Quarles told Harvest leaders he “wanted to have nothing to do with them after this.”

291. The result was that Havsgaard was not replaced. Schutte and Denham went back to California leaving Havsgaard in command in Romania, the same as before—except with added powers. Instead of appointing Dinca as Finance Director as Schutte had arranged, Laurie and Schutte let Havsgaard appoint Manescu, his driver who ran the internet café where he often took boys for sex-cam work, at a highly inflated salary. Manescu had no background for the position and had good reason to go on protecting Havsgaard.

V. HARVEST RIVERSIDE AND LAURIE COVER UP HAVSGAARD’S CHILD SEX ABUSE

292. Schutte and/or Denham reported the disturbing results of their inquiry mission to Laurie at Harvest Riverside when they returned to California.

293. The scale of Havsgaard’s crimes and his rank incompetence in running the Harvest Homes should have been anticipated by Laurie and were easily discoverable by all Defendants from the start of Havsgaard’s time in Bucharest. Nevertheless, the clear notice of Havsgaard’s pedophilia, theft, and chaotic management that Schutte brought back with him from Bucharest in 2004 gave Harvest Riverside, and Laurie, an obligation to take immediate corrective action.

294. Instead, they did nothing.

295. Defendants did not recall Havsgaard for questioning.

296. Defendants did not put Havsgaard on leave.

297. Defendants did not discipline Havsgaard.

298. Defendants did not require Havsgaard to attend counselling.

299. Defendants did not induce Havsgaard to retire.

300. Defendants did not fire Havsgaard.

301. Defendants did not shut down the Harvest homes.

302. Defendants did not send competent administrators to replace or supervise Havsgaard.

303. Defendants did not introduce any guard rails to prevent Havsgaard from further abusing children in Romania.

304. Defendants did not institute mechanisms for children or staff at Harvest Homes to report future abuse by Havsgaard.

305. Defendants did not arrange for medical or psychological help for the affected boys and girls.

306. Defendants did not order any more inspection trips or other inquiries, nor did Laurie or Schutte visit themselves.

307. Defendants did not immediately report Havsgaard to the police or child protection authorities in Romania or the United States, although Schutte, Denham, and Laurie were at all material times “mandatory reporters” of child sex abuse under California law, and this obligation extended to abuse committed outside of California, especially by one of their employees.

308. Instead of taking any of the meaningful actions listed above, Laurie made the strategic decision to cover up the scandal. He turned a blind eye, and thus so did everyone else at Harvest Riverside.

309. Defendants protected their money by cutting back on the amounts they sent to Havsgaard to run the Harvest Homes but otherwise acted as if everything was fine.

310. Defendants had a legal and moral obligation from the day they opened the Harvest Homes in Romania in 1998 to assure they were run safely.

311. Instead, Defendants ignored repeated evidence of Havsgaard’s abuse of children in California before he left for Romania, and again from his arrival in Bucharest in 1998.

312. The abuse the children endured after 2004, when Laurie, Schutte and Harvest Riverside clearly knew all about it but simply ignored their legal and moral obligation to intervene, is especially reprehensible.

313. Other aspects of Harvest Riverside’s operations demonstrate the same disregard for legal requirements (and basic morality) as the cosseting of Havsgaard.

314. Upon information and belief, participants at youth camps organized by Harvest Riverside in California have made allegations of sexual assault they believe were minimized and covered up.

315. On information and belief, Harvest Riverside has regularly given large severance packages to pastors and employees to hide scandals including multiple sexual relationships between married pastors and other employees.

316. On information and belief, Harvest Riverside’s leadership has regularly threatened employees who make good-faith reports of misconduct by other employees with adverse consequences.

317. On information and belief, in or around 2010, Franklin Graham, then a member of Harvest Riverside’s board, pulled Robert Lawless, Harvest Riverside’s Chief Financial Officer, out of a board meeting after Lawless raised concerns about unlawful conduct, telling him that “your job is to protect Greg Laurie at all costs.”

A. After the Cover-Up, Harvest Homes Get Poorer while Child Sexual Abuse Remains Rampant

318. Once he weathered Defendants’ consequence-free investigation, Havsgaard retaliated against Roman for blowing the whistle and fired him.

319. Despite Havsgaard’s pedophilia and long misuse of Harvest funds, he was given authority over Harvest’s Romanian bank accounts, appointing his poorly educated driver Manescu to be Finance Director, at a highly inflated salary he knew depended on Havsgaard’s continued good standing with Harvest Riverside. 320. Manescu sometimes refused to pay the staff, likely pocketing their wages.

321. As Finance Director, Manescu required that some of the children living in the Harvest Homes work 12-hour shifts in his internet café at less than minimum wage. When they protested, he threatened to throw them out. When the children complained to Havsgaard, he did nothing to protect them.

322. Manescu derided Mariana Constantin (“Constantin”), the regular social worker, for caring for the children and told her not to bother, since they all came from the streets and were “just garbage” anyway.

323. Manescu knew about Havsgaard’s sexual abuse of children. Knowing that Havsgaard got away with it, Manescu felt emboldened to abuse children himself. Manescu primarily preyed on minor girls, including by groping their breasts, touching them in a lingering way, and pressuring them to have sex with him. He would force girls out of the homes and into a van, where he then sexually assaulted them. Mimicking Havsgaard, Manescu thereafter gave his victims extra privileges and/or gifts.

B. Once Defendants Finally Close Harvest Homes, Its Children Have Nowhere to Go; Many Turn to Sex Work

324. Under the joint leadership of Havsgaard and Manescu, with much of the shrinking money still coming from California being diverted to their personal use, the homes became even more dangerous. Food and heat were sporadic, and the danger of more abuse by Havsgaard was constant.

1. Havsgaard’s Supervisors Leave Him Unchastened

325. Constantin, a social worker, inspected the Harvest Homes for the Romanian government between 2004 and 2005, among many other facilities on her roster. Her assignment was to check only for sufficient food and living conditions and she did not have time to interview any children. In 2005, Harvest advertised a job for a resident teacher in the Buftea home, which she thought would be more interesting and a shorter commute, and got the job. Constantin was surprised because Havsgaard hired evangelical Christians only, and Constantin is Orthodox. She concluded that he thought her presence would reassure the next social worker who would not feel a need to look deeply into his operation.

326. Constantin says she “realized that something strange was definitely happening to the boys.” She asked Mama Tina, the cook, who said “don’t ask, bad things are happening” and started crying. Mama Tina told her that she had lots of children at home, so she had to keep her mouth shut or lose her job.

327. Constantin saw that Havsgaard had favorites and regularly took them away for one-on-one expeditions, after which the boys would come back subdued and not disclose where they had gone or what they had done.When she remonstrated with him and said the boys should be in school, he would say the boy in question needed some extra attention because he had had a bad day.

328. After she developed a good relationship with the boys, they told her that Havsgaard had ordered them not to talk about what they were doing, and that they were scared of being kicked out if they did.

329. Some boys ultimately confessed to her that Havsgaard was abusing them but told her not to tell anyone so they did not end up back on the street. She told them that together they could figure out a better path, but they were too scared.

330. Unable to get any direct confessions, Constantin looked for physical evidence like photos when she moved around the house but never found any. She came to feel impotent and guilty, and ultimately quit, convinced that Havsgaard was an active pedophile at the Harvest Homes.

331. Monique Smith, an American visitor who spent several months a year in the homes starting in 2002, noticed that as early as 2005, conditions had deteriorated significantly, particularly at the girls’ home in Dămăroaia.

332. The children did not have regular meals and were often fed bread sandwiches and cabbage.

333. There was no running hot water in the bathroom for at least a month, and the staff boiled water to mix with cold water to bathe.

334. As the money ran out, Harvest Riverside and Laurie made no provision for the children’s further housing, safety, welfare or education.

335. When the Harvest Homes finally closed, Defendants dumped the children on the street and gave them no exit money, no plan, not even a number to call in an emergency.

336. Few had any education that would help them survive safely, let alone prosper; some were not even literate.

337. Many roamed the streets hungry, homeless, in despair and fear, and were routinely assaulted. Laurie and Harvest abandoned them.

338. Having learned from Havsgaard that the route to survival was to sell their bodies to him and others, many turned to sex work.

339. Harvest Riverside did not inform its congregation in California that Harvest Homes closed down in 2008. One (now former) parishioner donated a large sum of money through Harvest Riverside to support the mission in Romania in 2009, not knowing that the Harvest Homes had closed.

340. Harvest Riverside frequently diverted funds originally raised to support Harvest Homes in Romania to other purposes.

VI. AFTER HARVEST HOMES CLOSE, PLAINTIFF STRUGGLES WHILE DEFENDANTS THRIVE

A. Plaintiff’s Present Circumstances

341. Alexandru has struggled with trauma caused by Havsgaard’s sexual abuse. He suffers from severe, chronic Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, suicidal thoughts, disordered eating, alcohol abuse, substance abuse, and severe depression. Alexandru has not yet been able to travel to a country where he could be examined by a neuroscience professional, but his behaviors and apparent cognitive difficulties indicate he has suffered frontal lobe damage due to his exposure to severe violence, trauma and sexual abuse.

342. Because of Defendants’ scheme of abuse, Alexandru has remained in abject poverty his entire adult life. He has not been able to stay sober and has been intermittently homeless throughout his adulthood. He works in a car wash.


Figure 15: Plaintiff, 2023

343. Alexandru no longer believes in God.

B. Havsgaard Has Continued His Ministry, Protected and Even Praised by Laurie

344. The cover-up strategy chosen by Laurie and Harvest Riverside involved turning down their fundraising featuring Romanian homeless children slowly so people in California would not see any abrupt change of direction and would continue to donate, while also slowly shutting off the money spigot to Bucharest, causing the Harvest Homes to slowly wither and finally die for lack of funds.

345. That process of quiet extrication, delicately orchestrated by Defendants, took four more years, until 2008, during which Havsgaard remained in charge and licensed by Laurie to sexually abuse scores of children thousands of more times.

346. Laurie gave Havsgaard a substantial gift in a series of severance payments totaling approximately $200,000.

347. When the homes did close, Havsgaard returned to the United States with an unblemished record and no restrictions, a noble missionary coming home.

348. In 2009—a year after the closure of the Harvest Homes and five years after the Schutte mission had found evidence of Havsgaard’s theft and industrial-grade pedophilia—Laurie praised Havsgaard publicly. Laurie described Havsgaard as “a pastor who faithfully served the Lord for many years at Harvest Christian Fellowship, the church where I pastor,” and compared his work in Romania to that of Moses with the Israelites, because his “life demonstrates the power that just one godly person can have.”6

349. Havsgaard was permitted to take up duties in the Calvary Chapel network.

350. Laurie, Schutte and Harvest Riverside did not warn any of these churches about Havsgaard’s compulsive pedophilia and violence.

351. Throughout his post-Bucharest pastoral work in California, Havsgaard has continued to have unsupervised access to children.

352. In 2012, Havsgaard became Pastor at Calvary the Cross in Riverside, a 15-minute drive from Laurie’s office at Harvest Christian Fellowship.

353. On September 2, 2023, Havsgaard led a senior adults’ Bible study at the Packinghouse Christian Fellowship, run by Probert.

354. Havsgaard has periodically visited Tijuana, Mexico with Robert Probert, like him one of the original incorporators of Calvary Chapel Riverside, the precursor to Harvest Riverside. The declared mission of these trips is to minister to poor people. Tijuana, like Bucharest, has one of the highest rates of child trafficking and child prostitution in the world.  


Figure 16: Ad in a Packinghouse Facebook post showing Havsgaard as a respected religious figure in circles close to Harvest Riverside, August 17, 2023

355. As recently as September 23, 2025, Havsgaard advertised himself on LinkedIn as “Open to Work” as a bereavement counselor.

356. Havsgaard now leads a quiet life in retirement close to Riverside, spending hours a day online. Topics in which Havsgaard has expressed public online interest in the past two years include: “Feeling awkward after his last Google search on his phone and how to delete it,” “Removing his personal information from Google searches,” “How to screen record someone with an Android phone,” “Banks watching him move large sums of money in his bank account,” “How to quickly remove your browsing history with a short keystroke,” “Wiping data from phones and computers before selling them,” “Deleting his Google drive cache,” and “Converting VHS tapes to digital.” The collection of pornography Havsgaard showed to children in Bucharest was on VHS, as were the tapes used in the cameras set up in the attic rooms where he had sex with children.

357. Other topics he searched include “The deep cost of his sin” and “Can we forgive when an offender won’t repent?”

358. In 2014, Havsgaard married Susan Marlowe. Between them they have at least ten grandchildren. They moved to Forest Falls, California, where Havsgaard’s office is located in a remote section of the house alongside the guest bedroom where the grandchildren stay. Laurie did not warn Marlowe about Havsgaard’s history of prolific bullying and sexual abuse.

C. Harvest Riverside Flourishes

359. In the years since the cover-up, Harvest Riverside has flourished. Its estimated annual revenues are at least $52 million, generating at least $13 million in free cash flow. Harvest Riverside and Laurie together own and lease properties conservatively valued at over $100 million, including a 30-acre campus in Riverside, and luxury homes in California and Hawaii. Laurie has written over 70 books, has a television show and highly successful podcast. Laurie’s national prominence only continues to increase.

VII. CONCLUSION

360. Plaintiff and many others came to the Harvest Homes as discarded, deprived children seeking dignity and stability. They were promised care and compassion, but were sexually, physically and emotionally abused over many years, then dumped back out onto the streets. Nearly 20 years later, it is time for their suffering to end.

361. Children spent an average of 6.5 years in the Harvest Homes. Havsgaard was able to keep them there so long because, as he cynically calculated, they were desperate to stay off the streets, would not want to make waves, and anyway no one would take their word over his if they did complain.

362. Worst of all, Havsgaard’s cynicism was precisely right. Certainly his prediction that no one would do much to stop him accurately describes the other Defendants.

363. Laurie sent Havsgaard to Romania, chose him to run Harvest Riverside’s mission there, and thereafter acted as if he and Harvest Riverside had nothing to do with the Harvest Homes they set up—no regular inspections, no policies, no staff training, no safeguarding protocols, no following up when disturbing stories got back to California—no effective supervision as Havsgaard energetically abused scores of children. Yet Harvest Riverside, Laurie, and Schutte happily reaped praise and donations as they refused to see the grim reality of their Romanian outpost.

364. When Laurie finally had to send an inspection team in 2004 headed by Schutte to dig into the details after receiving dreadful reports that could not be ignored, Schutte came back with conclusive proof that Havsgaard was an active pedophile presiding over bedlam.

365. Even then, Laurie did nothing to help the children. Instead he let Havsgaard remain in control for another four years of inflicting sexual abuse on the powerless, and then welcomed him back to a life of comfort and esteem in California with a generous gift of severance payments and public praise.

366. In 2018, after reports of sexual misconduct by other senior Calvary ministers became widely reported, Laurie said: It is a great disappointment to me when a pastor fails. A pastor needs to be a good example. He is a spiritual leader. People expect pastors to live morally and to be honest. That is a realistic expectation. They expect it of Christians, certainly they have that expectation of a Christian leader.

367. One might expect Laurie’s commendable determination to live morally and honestly to be reflected in his stance toward the terrible results of Defendants’ misadventures in Romania, but so far that has not been evident.

368. Havsgaard is an unrepentant lawbreaker, but he has ample company in the ugly saga of the Harvest Homes. Laurie, Schutte and Harvest Christian Fellowship also continue to deny and cover up the suffering they have caused Plaintiff and his colleagues for the last two decades. They knowingly created the conditions that posed a substantial risk of child sexual abuse, let it run unchecked for years, and then, once the dreadful consequences could no longer be ignored, conspired to cover up those crimes.

369. Defendants are properly subject to the power of the State of California and United States to punish this long record of misconduct, and to the power of the public to abhor it. Plaintiff thus turns to this Court for redress.

CLAIMS FOR RELIEF
FIRST CAUSE OF ACTION
NEGLIGENCE
Against Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte
GENERAL NEGLIGENCE

370. Plaintiff restates the allegations set forth in the preceding paragraphs.

371. The conduct and actions of Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte created an environment in which Havsgaard for decades abused minor children, including Plaintiff, who was a minor at the time of Havsgaard’s sexual assaults.

372. Harvest Riverside, Laurie, and Schutte were in a special relationship with Plaintiff. Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte created, funded, and controlled, set policy, and were responsible for all aspects of managing the Harvest Homes. Harvest Riverside voluntarily took Plaintiff into the Harvest Homes and agreed to care for and provide for Plaintiff who was a child under the age of 18.

373. At all material times, Plaintiff was a resident of Harvest Homes in the custody and care of Defendants.

374. Prior to the last time Plaintiff was sexually abused by Havsgaard, Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte were aware and/or on notice of Havsgaard’s sexual misconduct with minors. By performing the acts alleged herein, it was or should have been reasonably foreseeable to Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte that by continuously exposing and making Plaintiff available to Havsgaard, they created a risk of harm to Plaintiff and made Plaintiff’s position worse.

375. Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte allowed and empowered Havsgaard to represent himself as their employee and/or agent when he recruited Plaintiff and other children, which gave Plaintiff an expectation and right to be protected by Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte.

376. Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte assumed responsibility for the safety of Plaintiff whose parents were not present while Plaintiff was a resident of Harvest Homes.

377. At all material times, Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte were able to control Havsgaard’s conduct related to his custody and care of Plaintiff and other child residents of the Harvest Homes.

378. At all material times, Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte owed Plaintiff a duty of reasonable care to protect him from foreseeable injury and abuse while Plaintiff resided within the Harvest Homes in Havsgaard’s custody and care, and while Plaintiff relied upon the assurance of Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte of safety and protection.

379. Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte breached their duties by failing to take any reasonable steps or implement any reasonable safeguards for Plaintiff’s protection.

380. Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte breached their duties to Plaintiff by putting Havsgaard, a man with an extensive history of child sexual abuse they knew or should have known of, in charge of children’s homes; locating those homes in a country known to attract pedophiles and have weak and corrupt governmental institutions; not regularly inspecting the homes; not regularly checking with staff at the homes about conditions there; not instituting regular training for staff about recognizing and reporting child abuse; not having any safeguarding policies or guardrails in place; instituting lax financial controls such that Havsgaard was easily able to divert funds into purchases for his sexual favorites and hush money for employees; ignoring reports from credible sources that Havsgaard was an active pedophile taking advantage of children at the homes; after receiving further and conclusive proof of Havsgaard’s pedophilia in 2004, leaving him in charge without any reduction in his powers or changes in the way the homes were run or supervised; not reporting Havsgaard to the authorities in California or Romania; continuing to praise Havsgaard in public despite knowing him to be a pedophile; not trying to identify Havsgaard’s victims or help them recover.

381. At all material times, Laurie and Schutte personally participated in, authorized, directed the wrongful action and inaction by Harvest Riverside and its authorized agents in breach of Defendants’ duty of reasonable care.

382. At all material times, Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte were guilty of oppression, fraud, and/or malice insomuch as they, individually or collectively, acted with intent or willful and conscious disregard for the rights or safety of Plaintiff, subjecting Plaintiff to cruel and unjust hardship under the circumstances.

383. As a direct, foreseeable and proximate cause of Harvest Riverside’s, Laurie’s and Schutte’s breach of their respective duties of reasonable care, Plaintiff suffered compensable injuries, including physical and emotional injuries as set forth herein.

NEGLIGENCE PER SE

384. Plaintiff restates the allegations set forth in the preceding paragraphs.

385. In or around 1999 and continuing thereafter, while Plaintiff was a resident in the care of Havsgaard in the Harvest Homes, Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte and their employees and agents received complaints in their professional capacity and within the scope of their employment that minimally raised a reasonable suspicion that Havsgaard was engaging in sexually inappropriate and abusive conduct with Plaintiff.

386. At all material times, Plaintiff was a minor under the age of 18 years old.

387. At all material times, Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte and their employees and agents were mandated reporters within the meaning of Cal. Pen. Code § 11165.7.

388. By statute, each of Laurie and Schutte and the employees and agents of Harvest Riverside had a duty to present to appropriate authorities the reports of suspected child abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse Plaintiff suffered while in the care of the Harvest Homes.

389. At no material time did Laurie, Schutte or the agents or employees of Harvest Riverside report their reasonable suspicions of Havsgaard’s sexual abuse of Plaintiff to appropriate authorities.

390. The failure to report Havsgaard’s sexual abuse as required by statute constitutes negligence per se.

391. At all material times, Defendants were guilty of oppression, fraud, and/or malice insomuch as they, individually or collectively, acted with intent or willful and conscious disregard for the rights or safety of Plaintiff, subjecting Plaintiff to cruel and unjust hardship under the circumstances.

392. As a direct and proximate cause of the failure to report Havsgaard’s sexual abuse of the Plaintiff, Plaintiff continued to suffer sexual, physical, and emotional abuse by Havsgaard while Plaintiff remained in the care of the Harvest Homes, resulting in the injuries and damages individually set forth herein.

NEGLIGENT INFLICTION OF EMOTIONAL DISTRESS

393. Plaintiff restates the allegations set forth in the preceding paragraphs.

394. Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte negligently failed to deal with Plaintiff in good faith including, but not limited to, by engaging in outrageous conduct by unreasonably, maliciously, oppressively failing to remove Havsgaard from his position and from access to children even after discovering that he was sexually abusing Plaintiff and other children.

395. As a result of the actions and inaction of Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte, Plaintiff suffered severe emotional distress of such substantial and enduring quality that no reasonable person in a civilized society can be expected to endure it.

396. Plaintiff has suffered from serious emotional distress including but not limited to weekly nightmares, depression, PTSD, and suicidal thoughts.

397. The negligent failure by Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte to deal with Plaintiff in good faith was a substantial factor in causing Plaintiff’s severe emotional distress.

398. As a result, Plaintiff has suffered damages as set forth in this complaint.

SECOND CAUSE OF ACTION
NEGLIGENT SUPERVISION
Against Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte

399. Plaintiff restates the allegations in the preceding paragraphs.

400. At all material times, Havsgaard was an employee and/or agent of Harvest Riverside.

401. At all material times, Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte owed Plaintiff a legal duty to reasonably and adequately supervise the employees and agents selected and entrusted to run the Harvest Homes in Romania.

402. By their action and inaction, Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte breached their duties of reasonable and adequate supervision when they failed, despite known and foreseeable risks of sexual abuse in the Harvest Homes, to regularly inspect the homes; to regularly check with staff at the homes about conditions there; to institute safeguarding policies or mechanisms; to educate, train, or warn potential victims of Havsgaard and their parents; to institute proper financial controls to keep Havsgaard from readily diverting funds into purchases for his sexual favorites and hush money for employees and others who might report his illegal acts; to act on reports from credible sources that Havsgaard was an active pedophile taking advantage of children at the homes after receiving conclusive proof of his pedophilia and theft, to recall Havsgaard or change the way the homes were run and inspected; and to timely report him to authorities in California or Romania.

403. At all material times, Laurie and Schutte personally participated in, authorized, or directed the wrongful action and inaction by Harvest Christian Fellowship and its authorized agents in breach of Harvest Riverside’s, Laurie’s and Schutte’s duty of reasonable and adequate supervision.

404. At all material times, Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte were guilty of oppression, fraud, and/or malice insomuch as they, individually or collectively, acted with intent or willful and conscious disregard for the rights or safety of Plaintiff, subjecting Plaintiff to cruel and unjust hardship under the circumstances.

405. The failure of Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte to reasonably and adequately supervise Havsgaard and other employees and agents in Harvest Homes was a direct, proximate, and substantial factor in causing Plaintiff to suffer compensable injuries, including physical and emotional injuries as set forth herein.

THIRD CAUSE OF ACTION
NEGLIGENT RETENTION
Against Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte

406. Plaintiff restates the allegations in the preceding paragraphs.

407. At all material times, Havsgaard was an employee and/or agent of Harvest Riverside.

408. At all material times, Laurie and Schutte had the authority to control the terms and conditions of Havsgaard’s employment with Harvest Riverside, including the authority to terminate his employment.

409. During his employment with Harvest Riverside, Havsgaard was or became unfit or incompetent to perform the work for which he was hired.

410. During his employment with Harvest Riverside, Havsgaard’s unfitness and/or incompetence created a particular risk to others, including Plaintiff.

411. Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte knew or should have known Havsgaard was or became unfit and/or incompetent to perform the work for which he was hired because of the particularized risk to others.

412. Despite actual or constructive knowledge of Havsgaard’s unfitness to perform the work for which he was hired, Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte failed to take appropriate remedial action to terminate Havsgaard or otherwise alter the terms and conditions of his employment to address Havsgaard’s particularized risk of harm to Plaintiff.

413. Havsgaard’s unfitness and/or incompetence harmed Plaintiff.

414. The negligence of Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte in retaining Havsgaard despite actual and constructive notice of Havsgaard’s unfitness and/or incompetence was a direct, proximate, and substantial factor in causing Plaintiff’s harm.

415. At all material times, Laurie and Schutte personally participated in, authorized, or directed the wrongful action and inaction by Harvest Riverside and its authorized agents in breach of the duty of Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte not to retain an unfit person.

416. At all material times, Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte were guilty of oppression, fraud, and/or malice insomuch as they, individually or collectively, acted with intent or willful and conscious disregard for the rights or safety of Plaintiff, subjecting Plaintiff to cruel and unjust hardship under the circumstances.

417. The failure of Harvest Riverside, Laurie and Schutte to reasonably and adequately supervise Havsgaard and other employees and agents in the Harvest Homes was a direct, proximate, and substantial factor in causing Plaintiff to suffer compensable injuries, including physical and emotional injuries as set forth herein.

FOURTH CAUSE OF ACTION
INTENTIONAL INFLICTION OF EMOTIONAL DISTRESS
Against Harvest Riverside, Laurie, and Schutte

418. Plaintiff restates the allegations in the preceding paragraphs.

419. By their actions and inaction, Defendants engaged in outrageous conduct that is so extreme as to exceed all bounds of decency in a civilized society.

420. By their actions and inaction, Defendants acted knowingly and willingly with the intent or with reckless disregard of the probability of causing emotional distress despite actual and constructive knowledge of Plaintiff’s peculiar susceptibility to emotional distress due to his young age, unstable living conditions, and previous sexual and emotional abuse by Havsgaard.

421. As a result of the actions and inaction of Defendants, individually or collectively, Plaintiff suffered severe emotional distress of such substantial and enduring quality that no reasonable person in a civilized society can be expected to endure it.

422. The actions and inaction of Defendants were the direct and proximate cause of Plaintiff’s severe emotional distress.

423. At all material times, Laurie personally participated in, authorized, or directed the wrongful and outrageous action and inaction by Harvest Riverside and its authorized agents which resulted in Plaintiff’s damages.

424. At all material times, Defendants were guilty of oppression, fraud, and/or malice insomuch as they, individually or collectively, acted with intent or willful and conscious disregard for the rights or safety of the Plaintiff, subjecting him to cruel and unjust hardship under the circumstances.

425. As a result, Plaintiff has suffered damages as set forth in this complaint.

FIFTH CAUSE OF ACTION
CIVIL CONSPIRACY IN VIOLATION OF CALIFORNIA LAW
Against Harvest Riverside, Havsgaard, Laurie and Schutte

426. Plaintiff restates the allegations in the preceding paragraphs.

427. Defendants conspired with others both known and unknown, and continue to conspire, to commit intentional infliction of emotional distress, sexual battery, negligence, negligence per se, negligent infliction of emotional distress, negligent supervision, negligent retention, and sex trafficking offenses, and to cover up those offenses and the conspiracy.

428. Defendants formed a group of two or more persons who conspired and agreed to a common plan or design to commit tortious acts, including intentional infliction of emotional distress, sexual battery, negligence, negligence per se, negligent infliction of emotional distress, negligent supervision, negligent retention, and sex trafficking.

429. Defendants formed the conspiracy on an unknown date no later than 1999, when Cojocnean, working as agent of Harvest Riverside, learned from Roman, the Harvest Homes and Local Foundation Finance Director, that Roman had evidence of Havsgaard’s pedophilia, and reported this to officials at Harvest Riverside.

430. Defendants had actual knowledge that tortious acts including intentional infliction of emotional distress, sexual battery, negligence, negligence per se, negligent infliction of emotional distress, negligent supervision, negligent retention, and sex trafficking were planned by the co-conspirators and concurred and participated in the tortious scheme with knowledge of its unlawful purpose.

431. Defendants intended to aid their co-conspirators in the commission of the planned tortious acts, including intentional infliction of emotional distress, sexual battery, negligence, negligence per se, negligent infliction of emotional distress, negligent supervision, negligent retention, and sex trafficking.

432. Defendants committed numerous wrongful acts, including intentional infliction of emotional distress, battery, negligence, negligence per se, negligent infliction of emotional distress, negligent supervision, negligent retention, and sex trafficking against Plaintiff in the State of California pursuant to their agreement with their co-conspirators.

433. Defendants committed overt acts in California in support of the conspiracy that included, among others, the following:

a. Continuously funding Havsgaard and the Romanian homes after receiving notice of Havsgaard’s sexual battery of minors, including Plaintiff;

b. Assisting in and facilitating fundraising for Havsgaard’s activities in Romania;

c. Failing to institute financial procedures or checks to curb Havsgaard’s misuse of Harvest Riverside funds to serve his sexual predation of minors;

d. Failing to institute routine inspections, safeguarding policies or guardrails at the Harvest Homes;

e. Leaving Havsgaard in post after receiving notice of his sexual battery of minors, including Plaintiff; and

f. Failing to report Havsgaard’s sexual battery of minors to appropriate authorities.

434. Even after concluding Havsgaard was a pedophile, Defendants paid Havsgaard $200,000 and kept quiet about his history of assaults, leaving him at the helm of the Harvest Homes to abuse existing residents and attract new ones for abuse.

435. Defendants’ affirmative conduct in furtherance of the conspiracy was undertaken with the express and/or implied agreement or understanding that Laurie and Schutte and others would facilitate and/or enable the intentional infliction of emotional distress, sexual battery, negligence, negligence per se, negligent infliction of emotional distress, negligent supervision, negligent retention, and sex trafficking in order to enrich themselves and Harvest Riverside.

436. Plaintiff was damaged as a direct result of Defendants’ agreement and actions in furtherance of the conspiracy.

437. Defendants’ conduct has caused and continues to cause Plaintiff serious and permanent harm and damage.

SIXTH CAUSE OF ACTION
AIDING AND ABETTING
Against Laurie and Schutte

438. Plaintiff restates the allegations in the preceding paragraphs.

439. In committing the acts alleged herein, Laurie and Schutte had actual knowledge of the torts of sexual battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and sex trafficking being committed by Havsgaard.

440. Through their action and inaction, Laurie and Schutte knowingly gave substantial assistance to Havsgaard's commission of sexual battery, intentional infliction of emotion distress and sex trafficking on Plaintiff.

441. As an actual and proximate cause of the wrongful and malicious acts of Laurie and Schutte, Plaintiff suffered physical, emotional, and psychological harms in an amount to be proven at trial.

SEVENTH CAUSE OF ACTION
TRAFFICKING VICTIMS PROTECTION REAUTHORIZATION ACT (“TVPRA”), 18 U.S.C. §§1591(a) and 1595(a)
Against Havsgaard, Laurie, Schutte, and Harvest Riverside

442. Plaintiff restates the allegations in the preceding paragraphs.

443. Defendants knowingly used the instrumentalities and channels of interstate and foreign commerce to facilitate violations of 18 U.S.C. § 1591(a)(1).

444. Havsgaard knowingly recruited, enticed, harbored, transported, provided, obtained, advertised, maintained, patronized, and/or solicited Plaintiff for the purpose of causing him to engage in commercial sex acts through force, fraud, or coercion in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1591(a).

445. Section 1591(a) applies extraterritorially to sex trafficking in Romania by virtue of 18 U.S.C. § 1596(a) because an alleged offender, Havsgaard, is a national of the United States.  

446. Defendants’ conduct caused Plaintiff serious and permanent harm, including, without limitation, physical, psychological, financial, and reputational harm, that is sufficiently serious, under all the surrounding circumstances, to compel a reasonable person of the same background and in the same circumstances to perform or to continue performing commercial sexual activity, in order to avoid incurring that harm. As a victim of sex trafficking in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1591(a), Plaintiff may bring a civil action against Havsgaard as a perpetrator and against Defendants as beneficiaries pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 1595(a).

447. Laurie, Schutte, and Harvest Riverside knowingly benefited by receiving something of value from participation in a venture that they knew or should have known was engaging in sex trafficking in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1591(a).

448. As a result, Plaintiff has suffered damages as set forth in this complaint.

EIGHTH CAUSE OF ACTION
ILLICIT SEXUAL CONDUCT IN FOREIGN PLACES IN VIOLATION OF 18 U.S.C. §§ 2423(c) and 2255
Against Havsgaard

449. Plaintiff restates the allegations in the preceding paragraph.

450. In violation of 18 U.S.C § 2423(c), Havsgaard is a U.S. citizen who travelled to Romania and engaged in coerced sexual abuse of Plaintiff.

451. Havsgaard engaged in a commercial sex act with Plaintiff.

452. Plaintiff was a minor at the time of the events complained of herein.

453. As a direct result of Havsgaard’s violations as described herein, Plaintiff has suffered and will continue to suffer from the psychological and economic damages as described above.

454. Plaintiff seeks remedies to which he is entitled under 18 U.S.C § 2255(a) including actual damages and the costs associated with this suit, including a reasonable attorney’s fee.

DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL

455. Plaintiff hereby demands a jury trial in this action.

PRAYER FOR RELIEF

WHEREFORE, Plaintiff seeks a judgment against Defendants awarding the following relief:

A. Damages in amounts to be established at trial, including without limitation, damages for past, present, and future emotional pain and suffering, ongoing and severe mental anguish and physical injuries, loss of past, present and future enjoyment of life, and past and future lost earnings and earning capacity, and out-of-pocket expenses, punitive damages and liquidated damages;

B. Pre- and post-judgment interest;

C. Attorney’s fees;

D. A fund administered by the Court to locate and compensate victims of Defendants yet unknown; and

E. Such other and further relief as the Court may deem just and proper.

Dated: November 18, 2025

McALLISTER OLIVARIUS
By: /s/ Jan Cervenka
Jan Cervenka
Attorneys for Plaintiff
_______________

Notes:

1 Greg Laurie, What One Can Do, Crosswalk (June 23, 2009), https://www.crosswalk.com/ faith/spiritual-life/what-one-can-do-11604878.html.

2 Tom Price, Saving One Child at a Time, Calvary Chapel Magazine, 2002, at 7.

3 Price, supra, at 7.

4 Andrea Snyder, For Romania’s dropouts, a fresh start, The Christian Science Monitor (July 3, 2003, 12:07 PM), https://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0703/p08s01-woeu.html.

5 Harvest Christian Fellowship, Prayer Watch, Harvestriverside.org (July 2003), http://www. harvestriverside.org/church/images/calendar-0703.pdf, [https://web.archive.org/web/2005032502 4915/http://www.harvestriverside.org/church/ ... r-0703.pdf].

6 Laurie, supra.

The OTHER Erika Kirk
Sabby Sabs
Premiered Jan 23, 2026



Transcript

All the small things. Well, there are
many small things when it comes to Erica
Kirk and she is now on this tour. She's
on a tour called Make Heaven Crowded.
Now, I don't know about you guys.
Um,
like I thought this was a joke at first.
I'm not even exaggerating.
It's a TPUSA faith tour called Make
Heaven Crowded. That's the That's the
name. That's That's the title. And I
just kind of feel like the name Make
Heaven Crowded probably isn't fitting at
this point in time, considering that the
former CEO of Turning Point USA was just
assassinated. It kind of sends a weird
message. It's like, how are you going to
make Kevin crowded? Like, I don't know.
It's not something that is um
not a good pick. Not good timing. Don't
think it's good. No. No. No. Not good. I
don't I don't know who picked this. I
don't know who's coming up with the
logistics, but that was not good.
However, she did uh present on the stage
and she kind of threw a little bit of
shade here. I want to show you guys
this. When all of this happened, um
you really see who your true friends
are. You see who is in your corner. You
see
who was writing, excuse me, this
microphone, who was writing uh my
husband's coattails
and who genuinely cared and who
genuinely wanted to be there for us as a
family and anyways um everyone,
you know, does their best to pour into
you and be there for you and when all of
this happened.
So, um, yeah,
riding her husband's coattails. I just
don't know why that needs to be
mentioned. Um, I'm assuming she's
probably referencing some of the
podcasters that have been looking
further into this. Um, but I just don't
understand why that is important at this
particular uh event. Right.
Some could say that Erica also rode
those coattails.
Let's be clear, she would not be CEO of
Turning Point USA Today if she was not
married to Charlie Kirk.
And it brought up another question. I
can't show you too much of this cuz it
was it was difficult to watch, but that
one was kind of a doozy. It brought up
another question for me about who Erica
Kirk actually is.
This is really strange and very
disturbing. One of the people that was a
part of this tour, Pastor Greg Li,
you guys know right now he's apparently
facing allegations of neglig negligence
child sex trafficking violations.
Turning point USA has launched its Make
Heaven Crowded tour headlined by Erica
Kirk and Pastor Greg Lori. Pastor Greg
Lori and Harvest Christian Fellowship
are currently facing several
high-profile lawsuits alleging
negligence, child sex trafficking
violations, and a two decadel long cover
up. This is the new leadership at
Turning Point USA. I have to go in just
a little bit here because there's music
playing. Um,
so it started right about here. So you
can see who this guy is. He's part of
the tour.
And thank you, invisible voice.
I was 17 years old,
a brand new believer. I heard the pastor
say, "You need to go out and talk to
people about Jesus Christ." And I
thought, "Well, I I've been a believer
now for three weeks. I know a lot of
stuff."
Yeah, he knows a lot of stuff. All
right. And you know, I see these things
online, so I I like to go and check them
for myself as well. And sure enough,
wait till you see it. I I just don't
know who made this decision. By the way,
this isn't something that happened a
long time ago. This was just recent.
Lawsuits accuse former California
megaurch pastor of child sex abuse in
Romania. Uh, this article was announced
res uh published, excuse me, September
18th, 2025. That was just a couple of
months ago, guys. So, it's it's not even
like this was years ago. This was just a
couple of months ago. And I'll just read
it for you uh right here. A former
Riverside megaurch pastor has been
accused of sexually abusing and
trafficking children for years at a a
shelter he ran in Budacre Bucharest.
Uh, according to lawsuits filed by two
Romanian men, the complaints filed
Tuesday by 33-year-old Mararyian Barbu,
a 40-year-old
uh, Mihi Constantin Petu said former
Harvest Christian Fellowship pastor and
missionary Paul Hobsgard severely abused
them and dozens of other children at the
shelter over eight years. The lawsuits
also name the church founder and senior
pastor. Um, I don't know why I did that.
Sorry about that. Here we go. Greg Lori,
a well-known evangelist and author, as
well as other senior church leaders,
saying they failed to prevent abuse.
Here's another one. This one's more
recent. Seven women among 10 filing new
sex abuse lawsuits naming Paul Hobsgard
Harvest Christian Fellowship. Uh let's
go forward here.
I'll make it a little bit bigger cuz the
font's like Yeah. Um so check this out.
Seven women are among two 10 new
individuals who recently filed federal
lawsuits alleging they were repeatedly
sexually abused and trafficked by former
Harvest Christian Fellowship pastor Paul
Hobsgard while living in a now defunct
children's home in Romania operated by
the California Mega Church. the new
lawsuits, which also name Harvest
Christian Fellowship founder Greg Lori
and Missions Pastor Richard uh Chute as
defendants join 12 others previously
filed by men alleging similar abuse as
teenagers.
and he's on the tour.
And not only is he on the tour,
but he's also on the flyer
right here.
Let me mute it because of the sound.
Like I can't even make this up. Like and
again like people people make it seem
like you know you guys are fishing. You
guys are just looking for things. Can't
really look for something that's right
there. I mean it's right there. Pastor
Greg Lori.
Why is this guy
Why is this guy a part of this Make
Heaven Crowded 2026 tour?
Guys, the articles I showed you were
recent.
The first one I showed you is from
September 2025.
The tour just started this January. Why
is he a part of the tour?
And then the new allegations that just
came forward, uh, bring up that date for
that one as well. The date for this
article is January 16th
of this year.
Why is he a part of this tour?
And it brings up some other questions
about Erica that I wanted to get into. I
want to show you guys. You know,
something ain't right.
Something is just not right.
When Erica had this interview with Barry
Weiss, this town hall of sorts, one of
the things that she said was that she
was encouraging women to start having
kids younger. She said she loved being a
stay-at-home mom. You know, she painted
herself as like this traditional wife.
And that's not really the case. Other
things are coming out that is looking
really suspicious.
Like for one, she said she's a
stay-at-home mom, but she's also a
businesswoman. She owns businesses. So,
what what do you mean? Right. But then
this video just resurfaced of Erica Kirk
and I guess at the time her boyfriend JT
Massie. This is back when she was uh
Erica uh Fron
Fron, however you pronounce her last
name. And this is them auditioning for
the Amazing Race.
Watch this and tell me if you feel like
this seems like the same person you're
hearing from today.
All good, baby.
Oh, sorry.
Hi, I'm JT Massie. I'm 25 years old from
Chattanooga, Tennessee. I'm a minor
league baseball player with the Colorado
Rockies and I'm going to be racing with
my girlfriend.
Hi, I'm Erica Fron. I'm 25 years old
from Scottsdale, Arizona, and I
currently live in Venice, California.
Fronz,
so I just I have this question. In that
town hall interview with Barry Weiss,
she said she hadn't dated before
Charlie. But then all these other
pictures and videos started resurfacing
is like, "Yes, you did. You dated this
guy JT Massie." People are finding
everything. All these videos are
resurfacing from years ago. And not only
that, but like they auditioned for the
show The Amazing Race. We'll get into
this a little bit more. Why lie? Why say
you didn't date before Charlie when you
did? Why is that something that you need
to make up?
That was really weird to me. Very
bizarre. Almost as if they wanted to
paint the story that didn't exist.
So March 1st, we went on our first date.
Well, I got it wrong because I thought
it was the day before. And I called him
and I was like, "Hi, so I'm going to be
running late for our date." And he's
like, "Actually, it's tomorrow."
Yeah. Yeah, I'm sitting dinner with my
dad in Arizona and I'm like, did I mess
up the date or what?
End up standing up from the table to
call her and it was she messed up the
date.
I did. So, we went to Majanos's.
Yeah, it worked out.
Good.
We went to Yeah, we went to Majanos. I
picked her up. It was raining. Kind of
different night in Arizona. And
picked her up at her house and later met
her mom on the first night.
This is important. This guy is saying
that he met her mom on the first night,
but Erica went on national television
and told everybody that she didn't date
before Charlie Kirk.
Your former boyfriend literally met your
mom. And then that's another question.
So, the family's just sitting back like,
"Okay, why is she making this up? She
knows she had this whole other freaking
human who was in a relationship with her
at one point in time. What the hell is
happening here? And that's just what I'm
asking you guys. I do not understand
these types of lies. You know, like I
understand sometimes people give like,
you know, white lies and things like
that, but I don't understand this type
of lie of I never dated anyone else. I
don't know if that was like some type of
plan to make her seem to be more pure
than she act. I just don't get it to me.
That does not make any sense.
Now, we'll continue on a little bit here
and then I want to take you back to
right after the music. Something else
that happened that people were pointing
out.
A big deal for the exciting stuff.
Yeah. Not trying to scare her off or
anything,
but it was good.
It was great. Easy conversation. And
then we spent literally every single day
with each other since then. And I
couldn't go to his house that he was
staying at because I wasn't allowed to
because the girl who was or married to
the guy he was living with was very
territorial of her nest. So we had to
brainstorm of different places to
socialize and meet at
hang out.
So we would close out coffee shops and
Chipotles and
we just brainstormed. we would do it.
So again, spent every day together but
does not for whatever reason this guy
just did not exist during that town
hall. Um let me go back to the part that
she said here that people like really
got people in a a like what the hell.
Hi,
good morning America.
I've lived in China. Um I've lived in
Shanqing. I've been to Romania. I've
been to Croatia. Um lived in Puerto Rico
for a little bit. Really handsome.
You look gorgeous.
You fixing my I got a little bacon.
Babe, that's deep in there. Give them a
cleavage. They people want cleavage.
Showcase it.
Sex cells, babe.
Sex cells.
Who is this?
This seems like a completely different
person. And yes, you know, sometimes I
get it. People get older and they do
grow and they evolve and they change.
But it almost seems as though when I was
watching this and I saw the whole thing.
When I was watching this, it almost
seemed like
she seemed happier for whatever reason.
Like granted, obviously, you know, her
husband was was just killed, but it it
almost seems like we're looking at two
different people. And when I looked at
this, it seems like to me that that is
the real Erica Kirk, not the Erica that
you see today. And I I want to show you
something else to prove that further in
this conversation. If we go on a little
bit here, listen to what she says here.
This does not sound like someone who
wanted to be a traditional wife. Listen.
Sorry, guys. Twitter does this
sometimes. Let me just
go back in
far from home. So, been going a lot in a
lot of different ways of travel from bus
to train to uh a lot of airport time and
I know she's spent a lot of time in the
airport
with her job and with different things.
Gypsy.
Yeah. Flying around.
Yeah. Um, but I think both of us have
been to poor areas, so we understand um
kind of how intense a different culture
can be and how it can actually be, for
lack of a better terms, a culture shock.
Um, especially like I've lived in China,
um, I've lived in Shanqing, I've been to
Romania, I've been in Croatia, um, lived
in Puerto Rico for a little bit. So even
though we haven't been dating long,
there are some key things that are like
the pillars of our relationship. One of
them obviously being our faith. The
other one being that we just have a
borderless heart to help people and to
give back. And um you know I have been
to Romania and teamed up with the Marine
Corps to open up and sustain an
orphanage with 75 beautiful children. Um
so and that's called Romanian Angels
through my nonprofit, Everyday Heroes
Like You. And I know JT has also um done
some nonprofit work as well.
Yeah, this seems like a different
person.
And notice what she said here. She said,
"We haven't been dating long, but we
have a lot in common, and that's why we
want to be on this show." So, again,
they're auditioning for The Amazing
Race, which was a big show at one point.
I don't even know if that's still on
anymore, but
they hadn't been dating long, but they
were auditioning for the show, The
Amazing Race, as a couple.
And what that says to me is that either
they both really wanted to get into
entertainment business. Remember I
showed another video uh reality video of
Erica Kirk where she was on a dating
reality show. Uh she was in a music
video. She was in a documentary. She's
been in a number of things. And it
almost seems like this is really what
Erica wanted to do.
She seems a lot more bubbly and happy.
Like it seems like this is what she
wanted to do. She wanted to work in
entertainment. Whether it was reality
TV, whether it was like movies or music
videos, things like that. This seems
like a completely different person
and they look very happy.
And it makes me wonder,
this does not sound like someone who
wants to be a traditional wife. This
does not sound like someone who wants to
be a stay-at-home mom. And that is not
to say that people can't grow and
change,
but
it feels like a 180.
So, they both did nonprofit work. Listen
to what he says here. Yeah, I went to um
Kenya uh with a nonprofit organization
called With Open Eyes and uh we had the
opportunity to do uh prison ministry and
we visited several orphanages
um around the Nairobi area in Kenya.
We play sports. We're good at sports and
things like that and we um were
athletic.
Yeah, it seems like a completely
different person. Observer said Erica
Kirk said claimed that she did not date
while living in New York City for five
years before meeting Charlie Kirk. But
that's been proven wrong, too. That's
that's the thing. People have proven
that wrong. It wasn't just this guy.
To me, it just it does not make any
sense. Now, there's something else I
want to show you because it's just weird
things. Here's the weirdest part, and I
believe in coincidences, but this [ __ ]
is weird. Did you know that there is
another Erica Kirk?
There's another Erica Kirk
who looks like Erica Kirk.
Back in the day, I I really did not
believe this, so I had to look up the
information for myself. So, I'm going to
show you the other information as well.
Back in the day, there was Erica Kirk,
1934. She passed away in 2023. And
there's the current Erica Kirk, but they
look alike. And that's the scary part.
Check out this and listen to the
coincidence. Erica Kirk, another Erica
Kirk. Same exact name, same exact
spelling. Both political wives, both
married to outspoken Republicans.
Current Erica is nicknamed Miss Arizona.
And the first Erica was nicknamed Madame
X. People called the first Erica Kirk
Mad X because they say she just kind of
showed up out of nowhere. Both have
striking blue eyes and blonde hair. They
even do their eyeliner the same. And
personally, I think they have the same
face structure. The first Erica Kirk
passed away now, but was from Palm Beach
County, Florida, which raises another
huge red flag. If you've been following
my videos, you know why? I don't want to
tell you guys what to think. I'm simply
giving you the information. Do you think
these are like all coincidences or is
there something else going on here? This
So, let's go through this together
slowly.
Erica Kirk. Another Erica Kirk.
1934.
Born in 1934, born in 1988.
Same exact name, same exact spelling.
Both political wives.
This one right here. Ding ding ding ding
ding. Both of them were political wives.
And peep this. Neither one of them had
Kirk as their maiden name. They both
married a Kirk.
Both political wives.
and they just happen to look alike.
I wouldn't even touch this if they
didn't look alike, but they look alike.
And it's scary how much they look alike.
Both married to outspoken Republicans.
Current Erica is nicknamed Miss Arizona
and the first Erica was nicknamed Madame
X. People called the first Erica Kirk
Madame X because they say she just kind
of showed up out of nowhere. Both have
striking blue eyes and blonde hair. They
even do their eyeliner the same, and
personally, I think they have the same
face structure. The first Erica Kirk
passed away now, but was from Palm Beach
County, Florida, which raises another
huge red flag. If you've been following
my videos, you know why I don't want to
tell you guys what to think. I'm simply
giving you the
So, look. Now, I'll go a little bit
deeper cuz I'll show you.
This is her.
Her name was Erica Mattfeld Kirk. She
was the former first lady of Florida and
at this time the widow of Governor
Claude Kirk.
It's the eyes for me. It's the eyes that
look similar. And this woman passed away
in 2023
again not too long ago. Very weird. And
I I don't even know who originally found
this. I don't know if it was the woman
who made that video, but this is just
spooky. It's spook spook spook. It says
when first introduced to the world of
Florida politics in January 1967, she
was known simply as Madame X. It's true.
Get this.
Governor Claude Kirk caused quite a stir
when he was dancing with her, the
mystery blonde woman.
CK
Charlie Kirk's name CK. So CK, Claude
Kirk, Charlie Kirk, CK. That's the other
similarity. Again, it's just weird. And
then that woman was Erica Madfeld, a
German national from Brazil who had
recently met Kirk on a blind date when
he visited the South American country on
business. A blind date.
It's just weird.
And I believe in coincidences,
but some things I don't know, guys.
It's the eyes. That's what I was telling
you guys. You can see it in the eyes.
There she is.
And it makes me wonder something. Like I
said, when you watch that video of Erica
auditioning for The Amazing Race, it
seems like that's that's what she wanted
to do. That's the life that she wanted
to live.
And it almost kind of feels like like
she said she went into Turning Point USA
to get a job.
What if someone told her to go in there
and apply for a job?
What if Erica Kirk was a creation just
like JD Vance is a creation? I told you
JD Vance is a creation of Peter Teal.
So what if they made Erica into what
they wanted her to be?
It's just all the small things. It's the
little things that we need to pay
attention to. It's just strange.
You can see her here.
That's her.
That's the other Erica Kirk passed away
2023. That was the obituary.
And so what I'm thinking is, and you
guys know my mind goes there sometimes,
right?
What I'm thinking of if of is is this
sometimes
there are roles for people and sometimes
people in powerful positions have
designated roles in mind for people. Now
whether people choose to do that or not
is a whole different story. But it
almost seems like to me somebody looked
at Erica and said, "Hey,
she would be perfect with Charlie Kirk
and they could be the future
president and first lady of the United
States.
I I just I I really just see like two
two different people.
And I wonder if that's what happened. If
someone said, "Okay, this is what you
were going to do now. Maybe it was
family. Don't know. Maybe it was someone
higher up." I don't know. What we do
know is that her parents worked for
defense in Israel and one worked for
Homeland Security. So, it's not like
these were infy like infantry soldiers.
It's not like they were entry-level
soldiers.
They were pretty high up.
So, what if this was all just a part of
the plan? And Erica is told a number of
lies about things that she didn't really
need to lie about. I also see now when I
hear that she's also sent a cease and
desist to Candace Owens following the
one she sent to Wolves uh and and
finance. I also saw on Fox News when I
was at the gym and don't don't get mad
at me. It's surrounded by TVs. But when
I was at the gym, I also saw on Fox News
that she is demanding a speedy trial for
this Tyler Robinson situation that she's
demanding that it speeds up and gets
over with. Now, why?
So people can stop looking into it.
What's the rush?
What is happening?
So, she has been moving in ways that
make people suspicious of her. That's
the problem.
Also, people keep asking about the
Amazing Race audition video. What
happened to that guy? What happened to
JT Massie? He was playing minor league
baseball. Did he go pro? Did he not? I
don't know. And think about how they
aligned. It kind of makes sense. They
both like nonprofit work. Both of them
were athletes. remember she played
basketball. He was minor league
baseball.
I don't know, guys. I just think it's
really weird. And some people say, "Oh,
that's minor. It's a small thing. It
doesn't mean anything." But sometimes
the small things do matter.
And with the Erica situation, it just
keeps getting stranger and stranger. Hey
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Newest Erika Kirk Lie About Her Past Exposed By Candace!
The Jimmy Dore Show
Jan 22, 2026 The Jimmy Dore Show PODCAST

Candace Owens continues to question inconsistencies in Erika Kirk’s claims about her personal history, including that she lived and worked in China to help sex-trafficking victims — with Candace noting that official responses said she only visited briefly.

She also points to video of Charlie Kirk stating his wife lived in China for six months, which contradicts that account and raises doubts about her background narrative. Jimmy argues these discrepancies fit a broader pattern of conflicting stories about Erika Kirk’s past, including her charity work and personal history. He frames the issue as part of a larger concern about credibility and transparency among conservative media figures and political activists.



Transcript

What's going on here? Okay. Will the
real Erica Kirk please stand up?
Candace Owens has found another
inconsistency in Erica Kirk's
background.
Oh.
Uh I can't believe how easy it is to
catch Erica Kirk in a lie. She's she
lies just non-stop. It's like she
doesn't know any other. If she's
talking, she's lying. She's very much
like a politician. And so here, let's
let's watch Candace Owen. She caught her
again. Speaking of inconsistencies, for
example, last week I told you that in
working on this investigation, the theme
of sex trafficking, it's coming up too
much. Child sex trafficking in
particular. And so I was interested in
uh Erica having said that while she was
quote unquote living in China, she was
working with victims of sex trafficking.
Okay, I want you to remember what she
said. Take a listen. I decided to create
something called Everyday Heroes Like
You, where we're able to originally it
was focused on bringing funds and
awareness to various grassroots
organizations that were in specific
communities uh that would be able to
have volunteers that are transparent
with their funds, that are actually
doing what they're saying they're doing
instead of just having 70% of the funds
go to admin and only 30% towards the
cause. it kind of grew into uh something
more global. I was living in China and
doing a lot of work with um the victims
from sex trafficking. Um and then began
to um phase that into working with the
Marine Corps um and the Army and then
was able to uh work with a orphanage in
Romania um to help sustain them during
um their winter seasons and and giving
them more clothing items or tangible
items rather than just money.
Then I told you guys that having asked
this question through an official
channel Turning Point USA, I received a
response alleging that Erica never lives
there. So that's coming from Erica. She
actually never lived there. They said
that she simply visited for 2 weeks, you
know, like a tourist just to visit the
Great Wall and perhaps see other
monuments in history. Then somebody
emailed me an interesting video of
Charlie Kirk and apparently he disagrees
with that new assessment. This is a
video of Charlie debating someone named
Ben Corollo. Take a listen.
When you go to China, let me just tell
you, you'll drive down the street and
you will see dead people laying in the
middle of the street. You will see
people defecating.
Go to China then. Go to China. Take a
video camera.
First of all,
did he just say China has people lying
in the streets? Oh my god. Kurt, can you
imagine such a thing?
Imagine defecating in the streets. Oh.
No regard for human. No regard for human
life. You say, "Wow, their culture is so
alien."
I know. I was just in San Hey, maybe the
Chinese president should visit China and
they can do a Gavin Newsome risky
business quick cleanup.
Yeah. May I don't know if you've been to
downtown Los Angeles or down or San
Francisco in the tenderloin or I I don't
know.
I went to China. I didn't see nothing
like that. I think Charlie's wife was
lying to him. Number one, you went to
China to work with victims of human
trafficking. What
what
what
I know what. So, hey guys,
to sell them further.
So, I just wanted to get I just I just
wanted to get that out. But here, let's
get back. That's not the point of this.
The point of this is that Erica is lying
about living in China and Charlie Kirk's
about to bust her. Charlie Kirk is about
to bust Erica Kirk for lying about not
living in China. She said she only was
there for two weeks. That's what they're
saying.
There's no dead people in the street.
She was lying to him about that. Okay,
here we go.
Hello. Take a listen.
When you go to China, let me just tell
you, you'll drive down the street and
you will see dead people laying in the
middle of the street. You will see
people defecating. You'll see
go to China then. Go to China. Take a
video.
Go to China. Take these cameras. I right
now unlike you, my wife lived in China
for 6 months and she'll show you the
videos. She'll show you the images. They
don't have a They don't have a regard
for human life. They don't they don't
value people as the individual.
What's going on here? Okay. Will the
real Erica Kirk please stand up? Okay.
Because this isn't you can't you can't
say you lived there and say you didn't
live there. Were there for and now
you've got your husband saying my wife
lived there. So he clearly thought you
lived there. You thought you lived there
and then somehow now you don't want to
live there. And the reason I think is
because after doing a little bit of
digging I saw on a real estate profile
that you said that it was the charity
Everyday Heroes. So that would check out
because that's what you were doing with
that charity and that's what you said in
the interview that was affiliated that's
or adjacent work that you were doing for
everyday heroes in China. I would still
like to know more about that. So since
our official answer from Turning Point
USA is that she was only there visiting
and yet we have her and Charlie on
record saying that she was living there.
I would like to know specifically what
charity in China she was working with.
And I'm sure even though I know um
people in China don't have access to
YouTube, I do know that they're somehow
watching my show. If you know more about
that, what they were doing, what charity
they were working on, I would like to
know. More tips at candacewowens.com.
Like I said, I'm working on this.
Okay. So,
they have YouTube there. They get VPNs.
They watch everything. That's why
Professor Jiang was a fan of me from
watching. He's on YouTube. Look at this
nonsense about China that conservatives
think.
Uh, let this be a heads up to anyone
getting married. Always ask your
potential spouse if they traffic
children before you Before
you sign anything,
ask my wife. She'll show you the videos.
I'd like to see those videos cuz I think
it's a lie. I didn't see nothing like
that. And the defecating in the streets.
That's not in the cities. That's the
rural areas. So where did she go? The
border,
right? So she worked for Feed the
Children. She would feed them to the
elites.
Yeah. Feed the children to Hillary
Clinton. Was
So uh again, no. Every time you take a
peek, just like every time you take a
peek at the Charlie Kirk assassination
story, the official story, no matter
what part you peek at, whether it's the
3006 bullet that there's no way he was
shot with a 306 bullet, whether it's the
pretend text messages they said he sent
to his trans lover, whether it's the way
he took the rifle apart and put it
together and put it took it apart and
left the screwdriver there and then left
it in a wooded area which actually
happened to be a backyard of Palunteer
or the fact that they paved over the
crime scene two days later or no matter
what you look at or the fact that the
the the security team got caught lying
multiple no matter what part of it you
look at no matter what part there's just
a million inconsistencies and lies and
contradictions right
I don't look at that I look at how much
I don't like Candice
same thing with Carica Kirk's background
no matter what no matter what hey were
you were were you dating when you lived
in New York before Charlie No, she was
it's it's on video that she was dating.
She was going on dating reality shows
for f's sake. Hey, were you did you
drink at all? Did you do alcohol? No,
you said you didn't. Oh, but there's
video of you ordering drinks and
no one cares if you did or not.
No one cares. But you're just making it
up.
Why would you lie about that?
She's just making it up. Just lying
about it here.
I'll be the idiots that don't look at
any of the evidence. Oh, so you believe
Candace? No. No. Candace believes me,
friend? Yeah.
Um, so just like that with her. And by
the way, on Friday I'm going to do an
actual deep dive into Erica Kirk's
actual background and her work in
Romania
with
Oh, that'll be fun.
Well, it it it is mind-blowing. Uh,
not for those kids, but I mean for us
making
Yeah, it was horrible for the kids. And
what the hell is a an 18-year-old beauty
queen doing working with orphaned kids?
in freaking Romania with along by the
way with uh accused pedto inside the US
military.
Well, she worked with the CIA the whole
time. So, I'm guessing that's how
you know the CIA that loves Pedos and
promotes pedophilia will do anything
with any disgusting anyone because this
is depraved evil worse than any it is
the main cartel. It's in charge of all
the cartels
and the military's infiltrated with
these types of people by the way. And
we're also going to show you that on
Friday that the military, the people who
not the rank and file people, those are
rank and file people are great people.
Uh the people who we have a hard time
with, the people who rise to the top in
the military and it seems like they're
always the PDF files. Do you know what
I'm saying?
Well, if you followed an order to help a
PDF file, I'm going to say you're not a
great person, whatever your rank. But
the bottom line is the elites, you get
trained to follow orders, right? Yeah.
And so who's giving you orders? The most
evil people that have ever cursed the
face of the earth. That's who.
Hey, come see me live on tour February
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BOMBSHELL: Candace Owens Says “Dave Rubin Is A Groomer!”
The Jimmy Dore Show
Jan 22, 2026 The Jimmy Dore Show PODCAST

During a recent live stream, Candace Owens alleged that her former friend and fellow online commentator Dave Rubin acted inappropriately toward a very young, shy employee by encouraging him to experiment sexually with other men, which she characterizes as grooming behavior and says ended their friendship.

Jimmy also recounts how Owens accused Rubin of complaining about paying interest on a $5 million loan from Peter Thiel and of misrepresenting her relationship with Charlie Kirk after his death. Jimmy frames the dispute as part of a wider rift inside conservative media circles over donors, loyalty, and Israel while adding his own questions about Rubin’s behavior based on their mutual past.



Transcript

Shortly thereafter, the kid quit and
moved to uh if I'm correct, Texas is
where he moved to. And I am I was very
happy that he did that because it was
very obvious to me that they were
grooming him into thinking he was a
homosexual because he was just probably
an inexperienced, shy kid. That's the
reason I stopped being friends with Dave
Rubin. I never shared that story.
Okay, so here's here's Candace Owen
talking about Dave Rubin. real reason
that I stopped being friends with Dave
Rubin is a situation that made me
extremely uncomfortable and made me feel
that Dave Rubin was a groomer. Okay,
hand to God, this happened. Hand to God.
Dave Rubin um hired a a person who
worked with me on my team, not
exclusively for me, at Prager
University. And that he was very young,
if I had to guess, he was 18 years old,
might have been 19, young, just
starting. And he was ready for the next
step in his career. He then decided he
was going to move to Miami to work for
Dave and his husband. And when Dave told
me this, again, I have obviously I was
very green at a lot of times. If you
even go back, you can find me like not
really sure about my ideas about like um
gay marriage and abortion, whatever. So
I he says to us, "Oh, we're friends.
We're going to, you know, hire him and
this it's so crazy. He has a really
rigid Christian household and his
parents are fearful for him to come work
for two homosexuals in Miami." And I was
like, "That's so ridiculous. Like, what
what do they think is going to happen?"
You know,
fast forward. Fast forward, I see Dave
Rubin again, again, hand to God. And he
says to me and my husband that him and
his husband, and I will tell you his kid
was
by just so you know, Dave Rubin's
husband's name Dave.
Oh, is that like when I went to Hawaii
and I saw these gay couples where they
both one guy look like the other guy
from the future? They both look like
same mustache and
narcissist. I found that it's just it to
me it was interesting because uh my name
my my filthy mind goes directly to sex
like when you're having sex and you call
out the other you're saying your own
name.
Yeah, it's called gay narcissism.
Liberace had it. Um is his name Dave
Rubin? And then they should hyphenate
their names. Dave Ruben Rubin.
Here we go. So anyway, this is that's
off topic but here
I I know that groomer. I've seen that I
I'm not going to say who, but I've seen
that done before to people that some
Well, let's finish this video then we'll
talk about
his husband and I would tell you this
kid was extremely shy. One of those kids
that blushes very easily and uh just a
shy kid, just a normal shy kid.
So, this kid who's like 18 or 19 years
old who used to work for Candace is now
going to Florida working for Dave Rubin
and she's saying he's a very shy kid.
Blushes he's very shy. and he said, "We
we think he's secretly gay." And uh so
we've been like, you know, egging him to
like just like experiment and to like
hook up with a guy or to see like that's
what it is. We think that that's why
he's so shy. Like he's diagnosing this
young male as suffering from repressed
homosexuality
because he's shy. Like I don't know.
Does he recognize that nobody even
thinks this way? The idea of me
proddding the narrative about whether or
not one of my employees is a virgin,
whether they've slept with men and
women, like that's not normal. That's
not normal thinking pattern. Okay. What
ends up happening is he then says that
they compelled him or supported him, not
compelled him, but pushed him and pushed
him to go on a date with a guy and to
have his first kiss. Shortly thereafter,
the kid quit and moved to uh if I'm
correct, Texas is where he moved to. And
I am I was very happy that he did that
because it was very obvious to me that
they were grooming him into thinking he
was a homosexual because he was just
probably an inexperienced shy kid.
That's the reason I stopped being
friends with Dave Rubin. I never shared
that story until the audacity of this
person who has told me about how he's
done drugs with Peter Teal. And also you
want to talk about being a bad friend.
How about the fact Dave Rub?
Okay. Well, here's here's she goes on to
tell you what a bad friend also. Turns
out this would be bad friend. But but
let's listen.
And also, you want to talk about being a
bad friend? How about the fact Dave
Rubin? Also, while we're on the topic,
sorry for this rant, but I got to get
this Kanye out. That he complained he's
such a cheap ass. Okay, that it was one
of the reasons him and Charlie had a
falling out.
That's anti-Semitic. But anyway, here we
go.
We'll get to that in a second.
He likes to live above his means, and he
told me that he needed $5 million to buy
some house in some swanky neighborhood.
So he went to his friend, billionaire
Peter Teal, and asked for $5 million.
And they wrote it as like a bridge loan
or whatever. And so he wasn't like he
was going to like have the money, but it
was going to be a bridge loan. So Peter
Teal gives him $5 million with friends
like these, right? It's great. I mean,
it's amazing.
Who among us?
But Peter Teal then asked for a
percentage like, you know, yeah, I'm
going to loan you this money, but if I'm
going to be the Bank of Teal, you're
going to pay interest. And he was, I
can't believe he's a billionaire. This
could be a drop in a bucket. could just
give me the $5 million and he's going to
make me pay interest. He's literally
talking trash about a guy that loaned
him $5 million.
Yeah.
Right. Currently, he had loaned him $5
million. He was talking trash about him.
So, I just wanted to say that because
that's actually what happened. That's
the real reason I stopped being friends
with him. And the audacity of him to
then lie when he knew better than
anybody how close me and Charlie were.
He was there when Charlie hired me. He
was there uh when the Kanye tweet
happened because of an event that all
three of us were there. He knew better
than anyone that Charlie and I were
friends and that we remained friends
till the very end. And he's publicly
lying because I won't support Israel. He
wants to help them when the ghost of
Charlie Kirk when the reality is
Charlie's viewpoints on Israel changed
over the last year. They had been
changing because of the pressure that
was coming to him by donors to control
what he was saying and thinking and who
he could invite to his own events.
I just want rant.
I just want
Whoa.
Wow. I am so into this, Jimmy.
I'm so into it.
So that that grooming thing, okay, she's
like, who thinks like this? Well, I'm
not going to say people at work don't
think like that, but to actually follow
through is usually at a restaurant job
where you all work at a restaurant or a
bar, not at a at a white collar job.
That's completely inappropriate at a
white collar job. Can you imagine your
boss being like, you got to try your
first kiss
at a white coll? No, but
that's that I've seen is a love
actually. They did that and it was so
inappropriate.
I worked in nightclubs my whole life and
that kind of happens all the time.
They
Right.
Yeah. All the time. Right.
That kid was probably a Christian nerd.
I remember I was working at a club one
time and when they after the show they
would have a dildo flinging contest
literally.
Where my girl worked they set up a
sexual harassment day because I think
cuz the boss was closeted gay and wanted
to hit on this one guy. She goes, "Hey
everyone, we're doing a sexual
harassment night. If you're going to
cool, you can hang. If not, they would
do sexual harassment day.
These aren't nightclubs. These are
nightclub jobs."
Yeah, that's right. Not these. Well,
but not these white collar.
Well, that's where they really get worse
than any restaurant. You know, could
complain about 5 million. I can't
believe I'm sympathizing with Peter
Teal. Like, wow, what a gentleman to
loan you that money and be fair about
it. Like, well, you got to give me
interest. I'm just giving you 5 million.
And you're the kind of guy that not only
grooms shy kids, but you're like, you
can't just give me it. Like, wow, dude.
I remember uh
by the way, Dave Rubin is a fun guy to
hang out with. That we used to hang out
with him. He's he's a crackup. He really
was. He really was. He cracked us up all
the time. It He was fun.
Lots of people I like are manipulative.
And guess what? When I already knew I
already believe her story, I'm going to
tell you why. because I've watched the
things Dave Rubin puts on and the thing
that turns me off to people is as soon
as I see them doing the like a nice grim
job, but Rubin's done so many more grim
jobs and even the old grim job himself.
So, uh, this is what started it. What
what made Candace say tell this story
was oh by the way I was going to tell
you that I remember when remember the
story Dave told us he he wanted to buy a
house and he had found who was the guy
who used to be fat and now was skinny in
Hollywood. Uh he he had did the
documentary
did the documentary with his young
remember that guy?
What? You know what I'm talking about.
Remember we saw the documentary with the
guy bring in a psychiatrist. Then he
brought in his mother.
Jonah Hill.
Jonah Hill. So
integrate his fat shadow.
So So Jonah Hill
So Jonah Hill was selling his house and
it was an amazing deal. Like Dave was
going to be able to get it for a deal.
Mhm.
And he went and he went to his parents.
He goes, "Let's get this. It's it's a
great deal." And his parents wouldn't
give him the money. Uh, he wasn't able
to buy the house, but I guess Peter Teal
was able to give him.
But a real gentleman named Peter Teal.
A real gentleman. We'll be right back
with more of this story after a brief
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and the code is Jimmy. So, what started
this was David Rubin uh said, "I haven't
said it publicly before, but it's
finally worth mentioning. The last time
I saw Candace at my house in 2022, all
she talked about for an hour was how
much she hated Charlie." Now,
maybe she did.
I don't believe that for a second
because if that was true, why did you
wait till now to say it?
Why would you? He's been He's been
ripping her a new a-hole
uh since since Charlie Kirk got
assassinated.
Why would you hold up? Why now? So,
anyway,
it's finally worth mentioning. That's
what he said,
I guess. So, I remember it vividly
because the other two people she was
ranting against that night were Ivanka
and Jared, whom we had just met and had
dinner with a few days before and who
couldn't have been kinder, more decent
people. Yes, that is 100% true. And when
she claims this didn't happen or it's a
Zionist lie, ask her if she enjoyed the
chicken parm. That's the food that they
that they cooked for her at their house.
I don't know how that
Ivanka Ivanka by the way was at the
mothership way back when. boy, she looks
like a different species of human. She
looks like an advanced genetically
engineered blonde Nordic alien. Like
hot.
So she So she responded to it and she
said, "This is a completely and utterly
madeup lol sheer fiction. You guys are
so positively desperate to rewrite
Charlie's history that we are moving to
fantasy." But since it's on the internet
now, it's so then she tells the story
about how she, according to her, he did
the grooming.
Young Christian males, by the way, Jimmy
can be mistaken for gay. I was a virgin
till I was like almost 21 cuz I was a
Christian. So that could and and if you
got a nice head of hair, you could be
mistaken for gay, a skinny boy that
whatever. And so, uh, the and and I get
that if he was working at PragerU,
that's the kind of Christian who's
already been groomed to be like, "Oh,
anything, uh, Israel, anybody who likes
Israel tells me is good, right?"
So, she ends it by saying, "Should we
get into what you told me about your
night in Hawaii with Peter Theal or is
the above enough perversion for one
morning?"
No, say it.
No, please share. But anyway, underneath
that, uh, PE Dave says, "This is
complete and utter BS and you know it.
You are seriously sick.
Ah, I don't know.
Ah, she says he asked me for a job after
he left. Please don't make me drop
receipts. You won't survive it.
Everything you said there is a lie other
than you know a person who worked for
me. Everyone can see through you.
I don't know. I can see through Dave
pretty easy.
Seems like she's winning the ratio
department on this thread. I don't know.
But
cuz Dave seems like a guy that would do
that and that is very common thing.
Also, our conversation about Jared and
Ivanka that you describe as ranting. You
mean me saying that they were always
nice to me, but they were like almost
too perfect and that it seemed a bit
like an act? That they were somehow
friends with everyone on both sides of
the political and that I don't think we
really know what they are motivated by.
So that's
calm down. Stop ranting.
So what? Well, hey, easy with the rant.
Whoa.
This is just normal conversation between
friends over dinner that you're trying
to scandalize again. Should we talk
about Hawaii with Peter Theal? Or should
I save it for my show?
Oh,
say whatever you want right now, but you
absolutely psychopath. We've had a great
three-day vacation with a few couples.
Watched an episode of Black Mirror. So,
that's what he's saying they did in
Hawaii.
Then underneath, are you saying that you
wouldn't encourage a young guy to kiss
another guy? Why was that weird or
something?
H
I know a very famous person who did that
and it and it was very strange.
Anyway, this was fun.
Yeah,
this was fun. Um
uh any anyway and and
it it's this is fun. This is funny to
me. Uh the reason why it's extra funny
to me is because uh one time uh I went
to dinner at like I said do with Dave
Rubin's a crack up to hang out with. We
we went to his house for a dinner. I was
we were all high and I made a joke about
uh yeah I don't really know what's going
on in is this is like I don't know 2015
and I was like yeah I don't really know
what's going on in Israel. just uh I
just repeat whatever Chsky says
and I you know as I'm in the middle of
getting wasted and uh as a joke. Well,
he when when the October 7th
ranted
when the I ranted
and when the October 7th thing happened,
he tweeted that out saying, "Remember
when you told me at my house that you
and I'm like,
you're going to that was so
uh that was so slimy. I know he's this
stand up to take that out of context to
pretend like I was being s it was so so
now I could see oh yeah he's of course
he's doing the same
he seems like that when you watch him
and this idea that he was a standup in
New York now I was in New York for many
many years I had never heard of him till
he was on a thing uh he did bringer
shows at Gotham as far as I can tell cuz
I was like who the hell knows this guy a
bringer comic so no he wasn't com and by
the way career bringer comic Comics are
usually psychopaths.
People that would go to bring your shows
to that level and then tell you they're
a comic when you know you didn't get
booked at no comedy show. You brought
five friends. I mean like I I don't I
never bought any part of him because of
that.
Anyway, I
he's probably very charming because and
Glib and I imagine Glib as well.
Anyway, I just think this is uh this is
the kind of drama that uh
we need more of
really spices up the day. It really
spices up the day.
It's way better than the one with Justin
Bandolini and what
Justin Baldoni and uh what's her name?
Yeah. Who cares about that? You know, I
don't care about her.
I don't care about this juicy gossy
right here.
Yeah.
Anyway, but uh anyway, so that's how
Who wants to hear more? This guy. This
cool guy right here. that guy that
guy had a tough past and he knows what
it's like to coersse a boy
and he knows what it's like to suck Bill
Clinton's dick.
Anyway, uh if you'd like to hear my
jokes about this, come see me February
20th at Lancing Mission, February 20st
in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and go to
jimmy.com for a link for tickets. Don't
go anywhere else because they're going
to charge you more. Go to jimmydor.com.
Hey, come see me live on tour February
20th in Lancing, Michigan. February 21st
in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Go to jimmy.com
for a link for tickets.

Candace Owens FINISHES Erika Kirk and TPUSA... This is ugly!
Zach Costello
Streamed live 23 hours ago

TPUSA is finished... and that is a sad thing for me to say. But it is true. Erika Kirk just doesn't have what Charlie Kirk had. It's different now, and it will never have the same influence it had before. I'm going to take you through why exactly that is today...



Transcript

All right. What's going on everybody?
So, TurningPoint USA can send out all of
the the cease and desist letters that
they want. They can host as many
Christian Zionist events disguised as
spreading the gospel as they want. The
reality is they are finished. Perhaps
this is stating the obvious since the
dynamic having that it factor
personality founder Charlie Kirk was
assassinated. It's very difficult and
I'm not even sure it's possible for a
political activist organization built
around a one-in-one personality to
survive long-term after losing someone
like Charlie Kirk. Yes, they've been
able to raise money in the wake of
Charlie Kirk's death due to that
emotional flood of empathy for Charlie
and yes, even Erica, at least initially.
After all, this is a young mother who
just lost her husband and provider.
Everyone felt for her. That is until she
immediately took the reigns as CEO of
Turning Point USA and began steering it
in the direction that Charlie was
fighting tooth and nail to keep it from.
You see, Charlie Kirk had incredible
pattern recognition and his finger on
the pulse of the people. A Charlie Kirk
Turning Point USA was a powerful force
and a voice for the people. And I'm
going to show you a clip of Charlie Kirk
that has really shaped my perspective on
this assassination case. It's a clip
that I'm constantly referring back to.
We'll compare that to now Erica who
after taking the reigns of Turning Point
USA has decided to take it in a certain
direction featuring well herself. And
that's just not gonna do it as you're
about to see. Finally, Candace Owens
exposed something extremely disturbing
that a donor said to Charlie Kirk before
he died. We'll start with that and we'll
go from there. I'm Zach Costello.

CANDACE: This is a real message. Andrew Kovac can
confirm it's real. Erica Kirk can
confirm it's real that Charlie Kirk
received this. Let's read this. Okay.

All of the people that trusted you, Jews
and Christians, including me. Why would
you platform anti-semites like Candace
and Tucker? There are many evangelical
Christian Zionists who would never give
these people the opportunity to spew
their hatred. I'm one of them. You say
people are accusing you of being an
anti-semite because you disagree with
the Israeli government. Well, what is it
exactly that you disagree with? You
threatened Jews and Christians with your
30 million followers. Are you kidding?
Be very careful, Charlie. You are in
violation of the Ninth Commandment, by
bearing false witness against your
brother Judah. When was the last time
you read your Bible, Charlie?
I'm coming to you as a believer. Genesis
12:3. Obadiah and many more prophets
warned that those who curse Israel will
be cursed. Your TPUSA Tampa event was a
disaster. Michelle Bachmann was booed,
and about 10% walked out on her when she
talked about standing with Israel. You
brag about how you convinced all these
young voters to vote for Trump, but you
can't convince them to stand with our
Jewish brethren? This is not a joke,
Charlie. I'm coming to you as a sister
in faith. You have accomplished so much
by the hand of the Almighty,
but he is going to lift his hand from
you. Don't fall for Tucker, Candace, and the
rest. The Jews are under attack. God
warns us in the last days that he
will wipe out the descendants of Edom
because they stood by while their
brothers Jacob, Israel, was held in
captivity and did nothing. Don't be
counted among the Edomites. It will be
to your peril, as well as the unfinished
work God was going to do through you.

What I find most disturbing about these
text messages are these key points given
what we know now and what I'm about to
lay out for you here throughout this
show. Notice this donor targeted
Charlie's platform, your 30 million
followers. Be very careful, Charlie.
That first of all is a threat. You
violated a commandment and turned on
Israel, and those who curse Israel shall
be cursed. Another threat. But it's this
last line that we're going to focus on.
You brag about how you've convinced all
of these young voters to vote for Trump,
but you cannot convince them to stand
with our Jewish brethren.
You have accomplished so much by the
hand of the Almighty, but he is going to
lift his hand from you. I want to bring
in this clip right now because this clip
from Charlie on the Patrick Pet David
podcast after Trump won the election. I
covered this at the time and this clip
has been ingrained in my mind since
Charlie was assassinated and in the
discourse that has since followed. this
donor knows how influential Charlie is
because he did this listen
campaign strategy of which we helped
execute on the ground in some of these
states was like guys don't spend your
time knocking on doors about a suburban
soccer mom who's weighing her options
instead because that takes nine contacts
to try to get her nine points of contact
on average conversations discussions and
they could be 30 minutes on end instead
turning point go spend your time in very
Republican areas where there are
nonregistered or what we call disengaged
voters, people that like Trump, like his
worldview, for example, the bro vote,
right? And so this is where we spent our
time. And we we harvested, not ballot
harvested, but we harvested in a very,
very powerful way. At Arizona State
University, for example, we registered
thousands of young men to vote in
fraternities. And that was way easier
than us going to try to win over swing
voters. And we did a little bit of that.
But generally, the Trump campaign was
brilliant because they threw the
Republican consultant playbook out. The
Republican consultant playbook was spend
all your time on the middle on those
like middle 15% swing voters and go all
in. Trump campaign said why don't we
just make our base bigger.
Why don't we just make the people who
love us the most? And so what they
looked at was demographics and they
realized if we can make the electorate
3% more masculine and do and by the way
they were so smart to do this. The
Republican consultant playbook that Carl
Rove basically authored was everything
is about high propensity
and low propensity voters. A high
propensity voter is typically college
educated, lives in the suburbs, you
know, they they watch they watch Chris,
they watch CNN, they have an income over
$100,000 a year, they have two kids and
a picket fence, and they go to soccer
games and they don't commit crimes. You
know, that type that type of demo,
right? High propensity voters is where
the Republican party has always been
focused. Okay, those where But Trump
came in, he said, "No, no, no. We're
going to focus on low propensity voters.
the welder, the electrician, the
carpenter, the police officer, or the
person that's just not registered to
vote. Where I thought that Donald Trump
was going to win, and I wasn't as
confident as anybody else, okay, was
when I started to see the voter
registration surge across the country in
the summer before this last summer, new
people that were registering to vote
were registering at Eclipse 3 to one
versus Democrat. In Pennsylvania, for
the first time ever, in Pennsylvania,
for the first time ever, we had every
county in Pennsylvania, we were out
registering Democrats for the first time
ever. Now, mind you, what Josh Shapiro
did as governor of Pennsylvania is he
put in a thing called motor voter, which
means you automatically get registered
to vote. They thought that was going to
help Democrats
when you get your license.
When you get your driver's license, it
helped Republicans because of lower
Think about who's not registered to
vote. It it's typically lower propensity
voters and PBD. Here's the here's the
here's the kicker. Where do these people
get their information? Lower propensity
voters get information on TikTok.
They're not watching CNN. They're not
sitting. You know why? These folks are
darn tired by the time they get home.
They're not turning on cable news.
They're watching NFL football games.
They're the ones that are not going to
be able to quote to you Marberry.
They're not. By the way, it's also this.
Yeah. It's also the phone. So, what
Donald Trump campaign did is they hacked
the 2024 election. Not in a way that
people would think where they said,
"Wait a second. Everyone has a
supercomput in the right hand pocket.
Why are we worried about what CNN is
saying or MSNBC saying, why don't we win
the information war?" And then finally,
the kicker. They said, "Why don't we go
on the most ambitious, over-the-top, low
propensity voter communication strategy
on Theo Van, Joe Rogan, Neelk Boys, you
know, Logan Paul influencer strategies,
right?" And so what they said is there's
this whole reservoir.
And the final kicker, my mandate at
Turning Point was very simple. Charlie,
turn Trump supporters into voters. And
that's what we did.
So, I want to get in the weeds of, you
know, kind of this political strategy
stuff because this shows how dynamic and
influential Charlie Kirk was. These
details all matter. A Charlie Kirk led
Turning Point USA flipped a US
presidential election in the United
States through incredible pattern
recognition and having their finger on
the pulse of young people. Charlie and
Turning Point USA were the executors of
this campaign strategy. They had proven
to be the most powerful and influential
force organization political activist
company organization in America. These
were the stakes. That's why it's
important that we talk about this. This
is not some small power small money
organization.
This was a big power, big money
organization built on and steered by
Charlie Kirk. Thanks only to Candace
Owens, we would have never known about
Charlie Kirk's shifting views on Israel
in the final months of his life. We
would have no idea about that Hampton
Summit, Josh Hammer and the text
messages of Charlie Kirk saying that
because of the stereotypical behavior of
Jewish donors, he had no choice but to
leave the pro-Israel cause. We would
have no idea that Charlie Kirk turned
down BB Netanyahu to spread propaganda
for Israel in the United States. BB must
have hoped that Charlie would do for
Israel what he had done for Trump, but
Charlie said no. And then he received
threats like these from the Zionist
donor that we just read. You see, BB
Netanyahu has said that social media is
a weapon of modern warfare and that
Israel has an existential threat or an
existential must to win the propaganda
war in America. It's an existential
threat if they do not win the propaganda
war. Well, what about when the most
influential voice in America capable of
flipping a US president presidential
election refuses and in fact determines
to take the organization that he built
and was running in another direction.
Just like last time Candace released the
text messages of Charlie Kirk saying
that he was leaving the pro-Israel
cause, they accused her of the messages
being fake. They're saying the same
about this Turning Point USA donor
message. It's
It's so bad. Basically, the message is
so bad to Charlie Kirk, it must be fake.
Mhm. Candace put out this tweet in
response to her presenting this donor
threat to Charlie Kirk. The last month
of Charlie's life consisted of Zionist
routinely pressuring and threatening
Charlie for his shifting views on
Israel. Were it not for me and the
general public, those very same Zionists
would have successfully staged a hostile
takeover of his legacy. It should
disturb you that for the right price,
Turning Point was seemingly willing to
bury all of this and instead welcome the
very same people who tormented him in
the end and his platform. I should not
have been the one to tell you about the
Hampton's summit. I should not have been
the one to tell you about Josh Hammer. I
should not have been the one to tell you
about this donor that she had just
mentioned in red or Bob Shelman or the
fact that Charlie texted multiple people
the night before explicitly stating they
are going to kill me. But I am the one
and I made to do this while consistently
being attacked from those very people
who purport to carry on his legacy.

Okay, so what really irks me the most
about Turning Point USA and makes me
suspicious of the organization is that
Charlie was having the life drained out
of him by Zionist donors who were
threatening and morally blackmailing him
to get in line or else. They tried to
buy him and he refused. Now the Erica
Kirk led Turning Point USA is all in on
the direction that Charlie was fighting
so hard to keep it from and it's not
working out for them. I want to show you
this look. So I pulled up the Turning
Point USA YouTube channel and lookie
there. Look who put her own YouTube
channel on the Charlie Kirk channel.
This was in the last three months. Erica
Kirk YouTube channel started putting
videos on the Charlie Kirk YouTube
channel three months ago. So Erica is
building her own platform on the Charlie
Kirk platform. Okay. But the reason that
I went here is because I wanted to go
back and see what kind of views Charlie
pulled versus what they're pulling now
because I noticed that, you know, a 5.64
million subscriber account should be
doing way more views than they're doing.
Look at Charlie. Charlie was pulling in
views 2 million. You know, a bad video
for Charlie was doing a hundred
thousand, maybe slightly less. I mean,
guys who know YouTube, they know that it
goes up and down, but again, hundreds of
thousands of views, millions of views
for Charlie Kirk on his Charlie Kirk
show. And this is just here on YouTube.
Now, Charlie Kirk gets killed. And then
you've got the supercalifragilistic
xpalidocious Mikey McCoy in his video
saying, you know, they murdered my
friend. And then you've got the Erica
Kirk video of her saying that she
forgave Tyler Robinson, the lone wolf.
But anyway, you know, and then it kind
of then it kind of started to tail off.
But now bring it back to the present.
We're looking at 8,000 4,000 I I mean
5,000. This is this is crazy. These are
these are crazy bad numbers for at a
YouTube account with 5.64
million subscribers. Like this is crazy.
Like I have, you know, 260 something
thousand subscribers and I do way more
than this. But you know what's funny? I
wanted to go back and see when was the
last time they did a video
over 100,000 views. When was the last
time they were able to pull over a
100,000 views? You got to go back pretty
far. It's about a month ago. It's around
the time of December. And believe it or
not, it's when they were talking about
the Candace Owens assassination
investigation.
You The last time that Turning Point
USA, the Charlie Kirk channel without
Charlie, was able to pull over a 100,000
views was when they were talking about
Candace Owens investigation. I mean, if
you go to the video before that, again,
over 200,000 views on that one. But I
mean, the reality is is people don't
care about what Andrew Kovette and Blake
Nef have to say about politics.
And you know who else just doesn't have
that it factor who has been trying for
years and years and years to build up a
platform and have influence but just
hasn't been able to. Erica Kirk and this
is why. Tell me what you notice about
this from her Make Heaven Crowded tour.
I haven't seen anybody mention this.
Watch
videos that came in to that chat
awkwardly enough. Um was a clip of
Rachel Madd and Jimmy Kimmel. I can't
even believe saying their names in a
church, but
together. Um, but it was interesting
because he asked her the question,
"Do you think these protests are
helping?"
Personally, I do not. I think it's
demonic. Um, but I understood the
sentiment of what she said.
She was trying to explain the three and
a half% rule
and she was basically saying that and
political science
jargon. She was basically saying that
when you have three and a half percent
of the population protesting peacefully
um
and you're in nonviolent protest mode,
you it is very hard for that to go
unnoticed
and it's very hard for that to be tucked
back in. It just kind of sparks.
Did you guys notice?
Did you notice what it was? I saw
somebody mention it here in the chat.
Charisma.
Did you catch it? It's boring. It's just
boring as hell. Like, she even tried to
comment on some politics and it's just
not dynamic. It's not captivating. It's
a snoozefest.
And this is a woman who has been trying
for her entire life to make it somewhere
in media, modeling, reality TV, fashion,
nonprofit activism, and
entrepreneurship, but couldn't quite
build the platform on her own. So, what
does she do? It's very ironic that Erica
Kirk accused others who have been
critical of Turning Point USA and her
management of it, riding Charlie Kirk's
coattails to success. I noticed there's
only one person who has attached their
new YouTube channel to his and is now
the CEO of the organization that he
built from scratch. The fact of the
matter is this right here is just
irreplaceable. You know that you are
part of the most exciting,
diverse,
powerful movement in the history of this
country.
And this movement,
this movement is not about Republican or
Democrat. This movement is not about
conservative or liberal. And I think
you're going to see that on display
in a little bit, just maybe. This
movement
is about the citizens
versus the oligarchs. This movement is
about we the people versus the ruling
class. This movement is about America
versus the globalists. This movement is
about all of us against them.
Yeah. These two things are not the same,
right? These two things are not the
same. And you know, I've been really
wrestling with my issue here with
Turning Point USA and Erica Kirk. I have
a ton of respect for what Charlie Kirk
built. I want to see his legacy and his
life's work carried on. I just don't see
those who are doing it right now doing
it very effectively. They're taking the
organization in a direction, like I
said, that Charlie didn't want it to go.
and none of them have that dynamic type
of personality to attract people like
Charlie Kirk was able to attract people.
You know, my personal thought is instead
of building the organization around
Erica, they should have brought in
someone else from the outside. I mean,
no one, don't get me wrong, no one is
going to be able to replace Charlie Kirk
specifically, but they could have still
been a powerful and influential
conservative organization in America if
they handled everything since Charlie
Kirk was killed better. That's all I'll
say and that's all I've got for you guys
today. Um, I hope that you have a great
weekend. I'm here on the East Coast.
We're supposed to get pounded with a
snow and ice storm this weekend. Um, I
saw some stuff on it. Stay safe. Um,
fill up your bathtubs with water. Get
some firewood, ice melt. Prepare
yourself. Um, they're saying that the
amount of ice that we're going to get uh
could affect the power grid and the
water supply. So, uh, make sure you all
stay safe if you're on the eastern half
of the United States. I'm Zach Costello.

Charlie Kirk Donor Threat REVEALED
by Sabby Sabs
Premiered 5 hours ago



Transcript

We now have messages that Candace Owens revealed on her show from an
alleged donor of Turning Point USA, which reveals that there was something
more, of course, nefarious that was happening behind the scenes before Charlie Kirk was killed. This message to
me sounds like a threat. And the question now becomes, who sent this
message to Charlie Kirk? If you've been following me for quite some time, ever
since Charlie Kirk's assassination, many of us, whether on the left or the right or somewhere in between, have been
following this story because the narrative from the FBI did not make any
sense. And I think anyone who has a brain is able to admit that. Along the
way, people have tried to figure out who would have done something like this, who
has been behind this. We have pointed to possibly Israel being behind this, especially after Netanyahu came forward
immediately and said Israel has nothing to do with this. It was very weird. And
as time has been going by, we are seeing more information be released. And what I
have noticed, it seems like to me, is that Candice has information and it
almost seems like she was allowing Turning Point USA to I guess have the
opportunity to be truthful uh and come forward with, hey, we know about this,
we know about that. Um, but that has not happened. And the more that they lie and the more that they deny, the more
information she released and others are releasing. And now she has released
these messages that she says is from a TPUSA donor.
And it sounds to me like a threat. Let's go ahead and get into it. Ladies and gentlemen, again, of course, Candace is
saying that these messages were released before Charlie Kirk died and it was sent
to him allegedly. Let's get into it. I'm letting you know that I have copy and pasted this message and sent it to
um my team and sent it back because I want to make sure that where and who this message came from is not obvious.
But this is a real message. Andrew Colbec can confirm it's real. Erica Kirk can confirm it's real that Charlie Kirk
received this. Let's read this. So now the ball is back in their court because
she is telling you that Andrew Kovette and Erica Kirk know that this message is
real. Now when I saw this, the first thing I said to myself is it's very interesting how uh Andrew and Erica are
pretending as if they know nothing about these things that have happened behind the scenes. It's very weird to me that
Erica said, "Let's have this private conversation with Candace Owens." Like again, why did it have to be in private
when everything else has been so public? That was bizarre to me. And all along
knowing about this message, according to Candace, knowing about this message and saying nothing about it, all this time
when people have come forward and said the donors were harassing Charlie Kirk, the donors were upset because he was
starting to question Israel. He had some concerns, especially, I guess, behind the scene, which has been revealed over
time. And all this time, Andrew Kovit and Erica Kirk pretended as though if
you questioned that, if you thought about that, then you were crazy.
Erica Kirk said during the town hall that it was ridiculous. It was insane
the things and the theories that people are coming up with. And she said, "Sometime just is the story that you're
told." Paraphrasing there, of course. got to say that before she tries to send me a cease and desist. I doubt she
probably will though because I'm not conservative, but you never know these days.
But if this it's true that she knew about this message, then Erica Kirk is
exactly who I said she was before and that is nothing more than an actress.
Let's continue. Okay.

All of the people that trusted you, Jews
and Christians, including me. Why would you platform anti-semmites like Candace
and Tucker? There are many evangelical Christian Zionists who would never give these people the opportunity to spew
their hatred. I'm one of them. You say people are accusing you of being an anti-semite because you disagree with the Israeli government. Well, what is it
exactly that you disagree with? You threatened Jews and Christians with your
30 million followers. Are you kidding?

Pause This right here tells me this part of
the message where it says, "you say people are accusing you of being an anti-semite because you disagree with
the Israeli government". This tells me this is after that interview that Charlie Kirk had with Megan Kelly.
Remember he said that during that interview that people were accusing him of that. So this is after that.

So now the timeline gets closer and closer to the day that he was killed.
Interesting. Interesting. Kidding.

Be very careful, Charlie. You
are in violation of the ninth commandment by bearing false witness against your brother Judah.

What was that, "be very careful, Charlie'? That sounds like a threat. Like you can disagree
with something that someone said, but when you go as far as to say, "Be very
careful so and so." I mean, if someone has sent a message like that to me and said, "Be very careful, Sabrina." I
would see that as a threat.

So, I'm one that believes in freedom of speech. I'm not here to say you can't disagree with someone, but the "be very
careful part," and the fact that this is allegedly coming from a donor, someone who has immense wealth, someone that has
immense power, from what I understand, these donors that have been donating money to Turning Point USA, somebody who
said basically to Charlie Kirk, "you better watch your back."
That's what the "be careful" is. Why else does he need to be very
careful? What are they going to say? Oh, well,
we're not going to donate to you anymore. Okay, but that doesn't warrant a "be very careful."
Usually, when people want to withhold their money, they'll threaten and say, "I'm not going to donate to you until you make this the the way that I want it. I'm not going to give you any more money until you fix this or until you apologize." Not "be very careful."

When was the last time you read your Bible, Charlie? I'm coming to you as a believer. Genesis
12:3 Obadiah and many more prophets warned that those who curse Israel will be
cursed. Your TPUSA Tampa event was a disaster. Michelle Bachmann was booed
and about 10% walked out on her when she talked about standing with Israel.

So again, you know why else I believe this is from a donor? "Your TPUSA Tampa
event was a disaster." People who have invested their money are
more likely to care. They're more likely to care about how your event turns out because they're investing money into
your organization, because they get something in return. When Charlie Kirk started to question
what Israel was doing, that is a threat to the donor class, and that is a problem
for their investment, because now they may not get what they
want in return. It's hilarious to me. They have the
audacity to bring up the Bible also at the same time while issuing a threat. "Be very careful."
Doesn't sound Christian-like, does it? Do you think this came from a Christian?
I don't think it did.

You brag about how you convinced all these young voters to vote for Trump, but you can't convince
them to stand with our Jewish brethren. This is not a joke, Charlie. I'm coming to you as a sister in faith. You have
accomplished so much ...

Right here. So, no, it's not coming from a Christian. "You
brag about how you convinced all these young voters to vote for Trump, but you can't convince them to stand with our
our Jewish brethren." So, no, not coming from a Christian.
Sounds like a Zionist threat. And you know how I know? Right after October 7th, when many of us came out against
what Israel was doing, and some of us have been talking about what Israel was doing way before October 7th,
including myself, by the way. But after October 7th, there started to be more heat on us. There were many of us that
got threats from people. I have a number of emails from random people threatening
me. I still have them to this day.
So when I first saw these messages that Candace was revealing, it felt very
familiar because we all got them. I got them.
Bana Joy Gay got them. My comrades at RBN, some of them got them. A number of
us got threats from Zionists because we were not supportive of what Israel was doing. We weren't supportive of them
killing children. That's what we're dealing with here.

When I say the US should not have Israel as an ally, you got to think about who
we are dealing with. A psychotic, genocidal state.
And no Christian should go along with that either. That's the other thing I really want
more people to wake up. And I think some Christians are waking up, but the reality is they throw this back in your
face. "You better read your Bible." We already went through all of that on the
show. I explained to you that the modern day Israel is not the Israel in the
Bible. Israel in the Bible is referring to a spiritual place, not a physical place. It's not supposed to be a
thing. And what has happened is that Zionists took messages from the Bible
and used that as their excuse to create this supremacist genocidal state.
And then they use evangelical Christians as their supporters to continue doing
what they're doing. The Christian community has to walk away from this, has to walk away from Israel
if we're going to see any type of change.

You have accomplished so much by the all by the hand of the Almighty.
But he is going to lift his hand from you. Don't fall for Tucker, Candace, and the
rest. The Jews are under attack. God warns us in the last days.

Pause this part right here. "You have accomplished so much by the hand of the
Almighty, but he is going to lift his hand from you." Threat number two. That
to me also sounds like a threat, because what that really says is you have been
protected because of us, because of the donor class, and now you
are about to lose that protection. That's what the message says to me.

Also, the bottom piece here where it says G-D.
Who spells God like that? Why is God spelled G-D instead of God?
Who says that? I have never seen anyone write God that way.

G-D warns us in
the last days ...

Very, very strange. Very weird here.

G-D warns us in
the last days that he will wipe out the descendants of Edom because they stood by while their
brothers Jacob/Israel was held in captivity and did nothing. Don't be
counted among the Edomites. It will be to your peril. as well as the unfinished
work God was going to do through you.

And there it is again. Who spells God like that?
Look at this very carefully. Okay, G-D can't say God. Really weird. "... warns
us in the last days that he will wipe out the descendants of Edom because they stood by while their brother Jacob/Israel, was held in captivity and did nothing." Who's held in captivity right
now? The Palestinian people.

You know, this is the supremacy here at work. "Don't be counted among the
Edomites. It will be to your peril." Again, number three, that sounds like a
threat. "As well as the unfinished work God was going to do through you." So now we have
a donor speaking on behalf of what they believed God was going to do. So, the
donor has a direct line to God. The donor is hanging out with God, and
knows what God's going to do. They are using the Bible, and twisting
scriptures in the Bible to try to get Charlie Kirk to bend the knee.
And if they were willing to do that with him, they can do that with anyone, or try
to do it with anyone. This is supremacy at its finest where they are trying to tell all these
Christians, that's why all those pastors went to Israel, all these Christians, you better get in line and you better
bend the knee for Israel; otherwise, it could be at your peril.
What the absolute hell? This is where we're at now.
"It will be to your peril as well as the unfinished work God was going to do
through you." Oh, but it's it's in a Bible verse, so he should be like chill with
that. No, he wasn't chill with that. He did feel threatened by that. That
feels like you're pretending to be a Christian, but you have specific marching orders. And you don't think there's a single reason why Charlie could reasonably critique what Israel is doing after
what's been done in Gaza? They've effectively turned Gaza into a parking lot.

And this is how you come at him over Tucker's speech. But here's the thing. I don't think it's just about Tucker Carlson's speech. It's the whole idea that you're not allowed to criticize Israel. You can criticize any other
country. You can criticize France. You can criticize Spain. You can
criticize any other country, but you cannot criticize Israel.
The supremacy that has risen behind this Greater Israel project,
this disgusting piece of just terrible, terrible, the ego around it, the type of energy
that people have experienced when they've gone to Israel,
the way that Christians have been treated in Israel. This is full-blown supremacy. "We can do whatever we want and you
better not say anything about it, because otherwise we're going to smear you as anti-semitic, and you will be through."

I don't know how we came to this point in this country, but this is bad.
I would say I think it all goes back to the donor class again. Like the politicians are controlled by the
donors. Turning Point USA was controlled by the donors. And it's hilarious when
you look at the fact that now you have Erica Kirk on this tour called Make Heaven Crowded.
And she's now going across the country to spread this message. "You better get
on board with Israel," because that is a part of their message.
People have been co-opted. This is a PSYOP, and everyone has to push back on
it. I don't care what your political affiliation is. This impacts all of us.
Not something that we can accept. This is crazy as hell that Andrew and
Erika have said nothing about this. Nothing. They said you all were crazy
for even alluding to Tucker's totally reasonable speech
speaking about Jeffrey Epstein. Hey. He harmed children,
and he is being protected because he did that on behalf of Israel. He did that for Israel.
Blackmail operation for Israel. Everybody knows that, including Gen Z. And you're telling Charlie it's his job to convince Gen Z, like he's a psychological operator, that that's okay? That's what they wanted to use him for.
They wanted to use him for their benefit.

You know, TPUSA was supposed to be this organization that went out there
and got young people to participate in the conservative movement. Obviously, also to support Donald Trump, and to move forward there. And then I guess at some point Charlie Kirk was
going to eventually run for president as well. That's what the organization was supposed to be for.
But once the big money interest came in, many of these donors decided to use it
to their interest. "No, no, no, no, no. I know this is your organization, but you
work for us now." Reminds me of the movie Captain Phillips. The donors come in and
they say, "I'm the captain now."
And so now all of a sudden it goes from let's establish this conservative movement to get behind these politicians
and implement conservative values, to let's bend the knee to Israel.
And the whole America first, make America great again, just kind of goes out the
window, because these donors want you to make Israel great. Make Israel first.

Both parties are captured by big money interests. This is part of the reason why I again like I said in 2024 I voted
third party. I have no regrets. None. People still ask me to this day. Nope.
I hope that this is opening up people's eyes into just how corrupt our political
system has been. They used a political organization and
basically tried to turn it into a Zionist organization. No more focusing on what you want to do
in America and for Americans. You now need to focus on what we want for
Israel. And that what Jeffrey Epstein did is fine, because he has to stand with Judah. He has to look at what happened, and he's got to flip to Genesis, and
understand that even when they are behaving
murderously, even when they are harming children, he better figure out how to
support them, and how to lie to people about how he feels about what they're doing.

That's really something.
It's really something again that you are hearing this from me. It is becoming increasingly difficult to imagine how
Turning Point is not naming and shaming these people. I give them an opportunity
here. Why don't you come out and say who sent Charlie that message? I wonder if Candace probably knows who
sent the message. Um, but again, putting the ball back in their court.
Who did send that message? And why is Andrew and Erica, of course,
so quiet about it, right? I mean, literally, when you look back on
it, Erica was trying to tell everybody else, "You guys are crazy for looking
into this. You guys are crazy for not believing what the FBI said. You guys
are crazy for thinking that Charlie was changing his mind on these things." You
know, in the beginning, I thought, "Well, maybe Charlie shared this with Candace, but not with with Erica. Maybe
he knew how she felt about it. Maybe he just kind of, you know, wanted to speak to someone who was on the outside because at that point, Candace was no
longer obviously a part of Turning Point USA. Maybe that's what he decided to do. But no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
She knew. And right now she's walking around, she's doing these interviews,
she's promoting Charlie Kirk's book and telling everybody else that you guys
have lost it because you were looking into this further.
Dan Bonino right now was on a podcast sweating his balls off, literally sweating very badly.
He now has shame because he didn't come forward the way that he was supposed to and the way that he promised to with the
Epstein files. You have a whole conservative movement where the leadership is telling people, "Turn your
face away from the Epstein files. Nothing to see there, folks." After under the Biden administration, they
said, "We need to go after these people. We need to get them." Once Donald Trump said, "No, no, nothing to see here. It's
just a hoax." all of a sudden you don't care about those kids that were abused. Funny how that happens.
So, I see it as embarrassing.
But don't feel bad cuz cuz here's the thing. This is an embarrassment for the
conservative movement, but there have been embarrassments for the liberal
Democrat movement as well. The Biden administration was not good. And I I've
been very vocal about that. I got a lot of [ __ ] from people because I wasn't willing to just say Biden is the best
president of my lifetime. I wasn't going to lie.
But what you see over time is that the people who decide to be players in this game, they are willing to go along with
the narrative to bend the knee to enrich themselves. And that's why you're not
hearing anything from Erica about this. That's why Andrew Kovet isn't saying anything. They just want to keep the
money coming in, honey. Knowing it's wrong.
And to have the audacity right now to be on a Turning Point USA faith tour
doesn't seem very Christian-like. You won't. You won't. Of course you
won't. you're lining up employees and in firing them for literally no reason. We have proof of that later before we get
to that uh proof and that video. I want to let you guys know that we Okay. And
then she gets into um the employee situation. So, I want to show you something else. Some people are
wondering if this is the woman that sent the donor message. Diligent shared this.
It looks like TPUSA donor who threatened Charlie Kirk likely was a very angry pro-Israel
Lorie Cardoza Moore. She describes the very same incident as the text to
Charlie Kirk on her Tik Tok mad about Tucker Carlson. She also spells God the
same way in her text post. So they are
alleging that it might be her. Let's see what you Carlson with his mocking voice and his
mocking laughter. They were horrified by what they saw. I had three couples reach
out to me who had been to the Turning Point USA conference. And this was in
Tampa a couple weeks ago. They called me and said they were horrified by what
they saw. That sounds similar to what was in that message.
She brings up the Tampa event. She mentions Tucker Carlson's speech. Sounds
very similar to what was mentioned in that message. Let's continue on.
Horrified. They saw Tucker Carlson get up and act like another crazy person
talking, condemning Israel, praising Qatar with his mocking voice and his
mocking laughter. So Tucker gets up and speaks at this conference in Tampa,
TPUSA, and right after him comes Michelle Bachmann. Michelle has five
minutes to make an argument for why we have to stand with Israel to these young people at D USA. When she starts talking
in that conference about supporting Israel and and and why America should
stand with Israel, the people in the audience start booing her. I spoke with
her personally. She brings up the people in the audience
were booing her. So again, similar to what was said in that text message.
Again, we are alleging here. We got to say this these days, you know, they're sending out cease and desist. So
alleging, but it sounds very similar to what was in that message. She said 10%
in the room got up and walked out on her. That is shameful. Then Charlie
Kirk, this is his event. He's responsible for what people are saying and doing. Pause. 10% got up and walked
out. She said that's important. 10%. Not 40, not 50, not 60, not a majority,
not even half, not even a quarter, 10%.
But the way that she tells it, everyone was in outrage. Apparently only 10% were in so much
outrage to get up and walk out. Kind of tells on herself there a little
bit. Does he get up and condemn Tucker or correct Tucker for what he said about
Israel and how dangerous Qatar is to us? No. Did Charlie get up and defend
Michelle Bachmann? Did he condemn the people that got up and walked out on her that booed her? Did he say why we stand
with Israel? We support Israel. No, he didn't. That tells us everything we need
to know. Ladies and gentlemen, sounds very similar, doesn't it? Uh, I just quickly
want to address the Qar issue here. Uh, first of all, again, I don't know why people keep bringing up Qar as if this
is some enemy of the United States. The US works directly with Qatar. I basically just consider Qatar just to be
a US military outpost. I I don't know why they keep doing this.
But if we look closer at some of her messages, let's go a little bit closer here.
These are the things that they're pointing out. A message from her on uh July 2020.
Check this out, guys. One who will not deceive is a trustworthy witness, but a
spout of deceptions is a false witness. Proverbs 14 five. Consider this verse.
When you stand as a witness to those who misled or intentionally bear false
witness, it is a violation of the ninth commandment. This part highlighted here
again sounds very similar to what was in those messages that Candace shared.
Let's go go on to another one. This one is from June of 2020. For violence
against your brother Jacob, shame shall cover you and you shall be cut off
forever. Obadiah 110.
Descendants of Esau, Edom, and members of the tribes of
Israel will pay a huge price for how they treated their Jewish brethren. Again,
very similar to what was sent in that text message. Let's go on here.
July of 2025. So, just last year, a deeper relationship with the God of
Israel. And look at the way that God is spelled. G dash D. That is Lori Cardoza
Moore, ladies and gentlemen. So, if I had to make a guess, I would assume
it came from her. If I had to make a guess,
never saw anyone spell God that way.
Since we're throwing out Bible verses, let's not forget
one of the things that has been said in the Bible is that there will be others that come who say they are me. They are
not me. Paraphrasing there, but if you've been to church, you know what I'm talking
about. Something more nefarious is going on.
This was just released as well. Cash Patel and then FBI director Dan Bonino
were focused on strategizing their messaging for X in the immediate aftermath of reports of Charlie Kirk's
assassination. According to a former FBI agent named John Sullivan look at all
the players, folks. Look at this right here. Senior executive 2. Whenever
there's a critical incident, one of the first things that happens is a conference call with everybody, all the
executives, most of the field offices dial in. The director rarely speaks
because someone with situational awareness is leading the call. They'll say, "Here's what happened. Here's what
we know. Here's what we need." But we get on and it was just Cash berating the
special agent in charge in Salt Lake. He's super emotional. Now, check this
part out, the highlighted paragraph here. And then it turns surreal.
He and Bonino start talking about their Twitter strategy. And Cash is like, "I'm
going to tweet this. Salt Lake, you tweet that. Dan, you come in with this,
then I'll come back with this." They're literally scripting out their social
media, not talking about how we're going to respond or resources or the
situation. He's screaming that he wants to put stuff out, but it's not even
vetted yet. It's not even accurate.
That was after Charlie Kirk was killed.
So, if you had reservations about Cash Patel and Dan Bino or maybe you just
still weren't sure, I hope that sums it up for you. I hope that helps you make
your decision. At that point in time, he was focused on
what he was going to tweet. Very strange, isn't it? Very strange.
And just recently, of all people,
Andrew Tate, not someone I'm a fan of, but Andrew
Tate just recently said that he knows who killed Charlie Kirk.
Listen to this. Very damning.
Why do you think Charlie Kirk was assassinated? Do you think it was because of feminism?
Let's talk as professionals here. Sorry for the pause. I'm just scanning what's going to keep me alive. So, I know who
killed him. And the only person who is overtly
giving theories as to who killed him publicly is Candace. The reason Candace
is breathing is because she is a woman and because she is black and the people
in charge have thought, they've concluded, you know what, let a black woman scream.
Most people will, you know, even if they listen to her, you know, it's a black chick and we're just going to let her
scream into the air and we'll just put it down to black female hysterical actions.
And tell everybody that she's crazy. Yeah, that's uh that's typical. They'll
say that she's being overly emotional, that she's crazy, that she's
low IQ, uneducated, grasping at straws, those types of things. And she can have
all the information and evidence in the world, and they'll just put all these tweets out by they. I mean, there's a
whole machine behind this process. Uh if you're on X, you've probably seen this as well. They'll put out all these
tweets to just say, "She's crazy. She's unhinged." And they'll even get other podcasters to chime in with this.
They'll get other podcasters, "Make a video. You better go after Candace. You better do this."
I know because I've seen it done to other people. I've seen it done to people on the left.
There's a whole machine behind it. People have DM groups and they all send out similar messages at the same time.
and they do what we used to call a tweet storm.
So, Candace is getting closer and closer and
I think and other people who are looking into this as well are getting closer and closer and um I believe that's why you
saw Erica send out those cease and desist letters cuz people are starting to see that organization for what it
really is. So there you go.
Put it down to that. You think that's it? We'll get some bots on Twitter and we'll get everyone to call her crazy and we'll
pretend she's hysterical and we'll push all of this narrative that she's nuts with some paid influencers and we're
going to get everyone to call her crazy. Even if she's right on the [ __ ] money, even if she gets it perfectly right, even in one of her episodes, if
she describes it perfect, we're just going to convince everyone she's nuts cuz she's a black chick and we can convince people that she's just
hysterical like the Walmart ran out of [ __ ] cocoa butter and she's mad. So, let's just do that. If you're a man in a
sharp suit like yours where I put a suit on and I sit there and I break it down in a very logical that there still is
that degree of misogyny in the world where a man is taken a little bit more seriously with some things. And then if
you get it directly on the money with a different tone and they can't really call you crazy, if you don't give them
the second life, if you don't give them an easy layup, well then you pay the price.
I think he has a point here. Um, and again, not a fan of of Andrew Tate, but
I have seen this also happen in the political left YouTube space as well.
Last year before the presidential election, I got tremendous like
hate and energy from people and from some people that I I never thought I
would see do this because I would not vote for Kla Harris. And keep in mind
like at that point in time I this show did not have over 300,000 subscribers
then I was a a drop in the bucket when you compared me to the larger channels.
I was a drop in the bucket and everybody Roland Martin came after
me like all these these shills for Kamla like they all they all came after me
the moment the election was over. didn't hear from any of these people.
So, it's a machine. And he said the thing about the the
women the female thing. I also noticed they seem to have come after women more than men.
Me and Bri got attacked a lot. But for the guys, they didn't get the
same type of heat that we got. They got heat, but not the same as as much as we got.
So, if they can just convince everybody that she's crazy, don't listen to her,
you know, and you have enough accounts out there on X sharing that
message, then their hope is that people will not listen to her and will not watch what
she's saying, so they won't get this information. problem is she's not the only one talking about it. The other
problem is I don't think it's working because I don't think people the average
person does not trust the FBI narrative around the death of Charlie Kirk.
They just don't whether people like Charlie Kirk or not.
So, they're they're trying to do any and and everything.
And it's crazy. It's sad. And and I say this, you know, like I said before, I was not a fan of Charlie Kirk. I'm not a
conservative, not a Republican. I'm a registered no party affiliation.
But I will say this, what you see
happening right now to Charlie Kirk, they can do to anyone else.
Anyone. So you don't have to like Charlie Kirk, but next time it could be
someone that you do like. And I I'll tell you a little, you know,
little behind thes scenes conversation here. After Charlie Kirk was killed,
some of us in the YouTube podcast space had discussions behind the scenes and
people are seriously scared. People are seriously afraid that it could be them
next time, especially those that have the large platforms that it could be
them. People are worried and I would say that that's what the
powers that be wants. I would say they want you to be afraid. They want you to
worry. And the more that that manifests, the
more you're going to start to see people start, I would say, start to side with the establishment if they haven't
already. Some of that has already taken place.
So, be prepared for that on both sides of the political aisle.
And I think that's why you're starting to see Nick Fuentes go back and cave on
certain things. I think that's why you're seeing Tim P cave on certain
things. I think that's why I mean it's all like clockwork. And another thing that I noticed, it
seemed as though the timing of it all, a lot of the people, most of them who came
after Candace when she was going through this information were the male podcasters.
To Andrew Tate's point there, people tend to be more likely to feel as
though they know what they're talking about. But this time it's not working. It just
really isn't. And um I don't know you guys. This is
very very damning. If you know any more information about
uh Lori, please send it my way because I just find the rhetoric from
her tweets and from that video from Tik Tok to be a little too similar to the
message that was sent to Charlie Kirk. Hey guys, this was a savvy clip. If you
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