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INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES-INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE THURSDAY, OCTOBER 2, 1975 SELECT CO::\DIITTEE To STCDY Gm'ERx::\IEXTAL OPER..-\TlQNS 'VITH RESPECT TO IXTELLIGEXCE ACTIVITIES, Washington, D.O. The committee meL pursuant to notice, at 10 :05 a.m.. in room 318, Russell Senate Office Building, Senator Frank Church (chairman) presiding. Present: Senators Church, Tower. Mondale. Huddleston, Morgan, Hart (Colorado). Baker, ~Iathias, and Schweiker. Also present: "'i11iam G. ~filler. staff director; Frederick A. O. Schwarz, Jr., chief counsel, and Curtis R. Smothers, counsel to the minority. The CIL\IR::\L\X. The hearing will please come to order. The Internal Revenue Service is one of the largest repositories of raw intel1igence information in the l-;-nited States. It has 700 offices spread across the country. and it employs over 88.000 people, including more than 2.500 special agents. The data collected by this behemoth lay bare the lives of 80 million individuals who file their tax forms each Year. In meetil{g our obligation to pay taxes on our earnings and thus support this country. we reveal to the IRS some of the most private and personal aspects of our lives. 'Ve tell the IRS for whom we work and how much money we make. 'Ve tell the IRS not only how many children we haYe, but additionally their educational achievements. We tell the IRS how we spend and invest our money, what charities we favor, and how we contribute to the churches we attend. Upon examination of the 1040 income tax return, which the vast majority of us are required to file with IRS, one can determine if we suffered an extensive illness during the previous year, whether we bought eyeglasses, and the extent to which we traveled. In short, information we furnish the IRS constitutes an accurate profile of our lives and our lifestvles. Moreover, the IRS c~nduds special tax audits and investigations to gather still more information. Unlike other inteUigence agencies, the IRS can obtain financial information upon demand, without a subpena. The IRS is an intelligence agency in two respects. First, it is a vast reservoir of detailed personal information about Americans, and second, it conducts intelligence-collection activities through its own intelligence division. (1) 2 The committee intends to explore both aspects of the IRS. In particular, we will examine closely ways in which other intelligence services have made use of the IRS as a lending library of tax information. This great storehouse of data on American citizens has proved to be irresistibly tantalizing to other Federal agencies, particularly the FBI. - The controls over the use of tax information which the IRS releases to other agencies are inadequate. The committee has found evidence indicating that the FBI has widely misused IRS tax information to disrupt political activists. Tax return confidentiality has eroded to the point ,,,here our Federal Government has turned these supposedly private documents into instruments of harassment used against citizens for political reasons. . If the law does not assure that tax returns filed by Americans will not be turned against them. our system of voluntary' compliance with the tax laws faces a doubtful futnre. The committee will go into this misuse in detail next month. with our hearin!!s on the FBI COINTEL PRO (Counterintelligence Program) activities. Today, though, we wish to open this subject by looking at the IRS as a collector of intelligence. Most Americans pay their taxes voluntarily and honestly. A few do not. Because of these few, the IRS has an Intelligence Division comprising 2.700 special agents. whose job is to investigate cases of criminal tax fraud. The principal area of inquiry the committee will consider this morning with Commissioner Donald C. Alexander has to do with the scope of intelligence practices required by the IRS to do its job of collecting the taxes. 1Ve especially wish to learn to what extent the IRS intelligence capacity has been. and to what extent it should be, employed in the service of objectives whidl fall outsirle the strict realm of tax compliance. For example, a branch of the IRS, called the Special Service Staff rSsSl. now defunct. had the task of investigating political activists. It was aholished by Commissioner Alexander shortly after he took office in 1973. One wonders how an agency designed to collect revenue got into the business of defining and investigating political protesters. There were some 8.000 individuals and 3.000 organizations on the SSS list. The incredible overbreadth of the Spef'ial Sl'rvice Staff target list can only be appreciated by hearing some of the SSS list of suspects. Let me refer to some of the organizations that wPre on the list: the American Civil Libertil's Union. thl' American Lihrarv Association. the Conservative Book Club, the Ford Foundation. the Headstart program. the XAACP. the Lawwrs Committee for Civil RiO'hts Under Law. thl' University of North ·Carolina. and approximatel:v fiO brnnf'hes of the National Urban Ll'ague. Apparently, someone in the IRS or the FBI, and other Olltsirle contributors to the pro!!ram. felt that the~e groups and individuals. plus many more, warranted special targetmg for a conf'entrated tax-enforcement proryram. In essence. they were to be punished by the IRS for their political views. Lists like this one highlight a most disturbing asnect of the IRS amI other intelligence senices. Thev seem to haw an almost inexorable need to amass information for its·own sake. anrl to find new reasons 3 for expanding intelligence collection-in the case of the IRS. reas?ns which may bear little relationship to the needs of a tax collectIon agency. 'Yorse yet. the giant agencies begin t~ run out. of c.antrol as administrators face the difficult task of knmnng what IS gomg on \yithin their own mushrooming organizations. These are the dilemmas we wish to discuss today with the Commissioner of the IRS. Before \y' man to the Commissioner. I want to defer to Senator Tower, if .'ou would like to make an opening statement, Senator. Senato)' TOWER. Thank you. ~Ir. Chairman. .A.mplifying on your ~tatement ,that an abundance, of intelligen~e data may pose a danger m and of Itself. I am of the ne\y that !oda.y's hearino' mows the committee into another phase of our exammatIOn of tht impact of goyernmental intelligence-gathering activities on fundamental concepts of pri\'acy and individual liberties. , Agencies im'olwd in clandestine collection on the internatIOnal scene han acknowledged some incidental threats to the privacy a.nd safety of American citizens. The rationale has been the need to mamtain it yigilant watch on the national security. Our examination of the Huston plan rewaled a coming together of national security and concerns for enforcement of the domestic criminal la\ys. The potential threats posed by both areas of activity are real, and I do not seek to minimize our concern. '" e are indeed fortunate that deadly biological agents nenr left the governmental laboratories where they were stored. Our Nati.on and fundamental freedom are the winners when, for \vhatever reasons, a comprehensive spying effort like the Huston plan is vetoed. The need for national security and criminal law enforcement are clearly legitimate concerns, and I firmly believe that needed legislative reforms can be fashioned to correct abuses while preservmg necessary and proper intelligence efforts in these yital areas. "'hen I apply the same standards to the intelligence activities of the IRS, Mr. Chairman, I am far less sanguine on the issue of the need for such efforts by the tax collector. I am deeply concerned about the purpose of IRS intelligence-gathering activities. This concern is twofold. First. there appears to be a belief that enforcement of the tax laws, as they relate to evasion of payment. is viewed as a matter to be handled completely \vithin the IRS structure. as opposed to a situation warranting the attention of agencies charged with enforcement of the criminal statutes. Evasion of taxes is a crime. However, I question the need for IRS suneillance of nightclub patrons as an investigative technique. I am uncomfortable with the notion that driving an expensive automobile to the parking lot of a stadium where a prize fight is being held should, standing alone, subject one to IRS scrutiny. In a nation which has al\ vays insisted upon the presence of reasonable grounds or probable cause as a basis for the focusing of its Iaw enforcement apparatus upon the private citizen, there may be a real need for reassessing the propriety of vesting police powers in an agency which is, or should be, primarily concerned with collecting revenue. But at least these efforts purport to be in discharge of the agency's basic mission. Of far greater concern to me is a second purpose for much of the IRS intelligence effort. That is the apparent reliance upon intelligencegathering as a vehicle for protecting the image of the IRS. I refer par4 ticularly to the intelligence activities which were apparently initiated in response to congrrssinnal or rxecutivc branch inquiries questioning the vigor or evenhandedness of IRS efforts against prominent indiyiduals and organizationf'. We must not allow any agency of this Government to insure its existence or prestige hy amassing files on citizens solely for the purpose of being in a position to represent that it has spied on the right as thoroughly as it has scrutinized the left, that it is as vigilant with nonprofit corporations as it is \vith gangsters. The invasions resulting from such actions far outweigh any need for assurances of IRS objecti\' ity and only open wider the dool' tlUlt would make IRS an unwitting tool of thosr who would make imp] opel' or illegal use of such information. }fr. Alexander. I hope that you might shed some light on the perceived nred for IRS intpl1igence. if any, and the need for spending the capabilities of IRS in the field, as compared ""ith other law enforcelllpnt aveneips who might assist in frrrptil1:! OFt criminal tax eyasion. AmI. fina 11y. \vhaL if an\'. ad(litiona1 g'uidal1cp the Congress might legislate to insure that thi' reVl'l1Ue win be coll\'eted with minimum invasion of the taxpayer-citizen's rights. Thank you. Mr. Chairman. TIle CliAIRMAX. Thank vou. Senator Tower. And now. Mr. Al\'Xancler. if yon would please stand and take the oath. Do von solemnly s,war that all the testimony you will give in this proceeding will be the truth, the whole truth: and nothing but the trnth, so help you God? Mr. ALEXAXDER. I do. Mr. WHITAKER. I do. The CHAIRMAX. Mr. Schwarz will b\'gin the questioning. TESTIMONY OF DONALD C. ALEXANDER, COMMISSIONER, INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE; ACCOMPANIED BY SINGLETON WOLFE, ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER, COMPLIANCE; WARREN BATES, ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER, INSPECTION; MEADE WHITAKER, CHIEF COUNSEL; THOMAS J. CLANCY, DIRECTOR, INTELLIGENCE DIVISION; AND WILLIAM E. WILLIAMS, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER Mr. SCHWARZ. Accompanying you is your Chief Counsel, Mr. Whitaker? Mr. ALEXAXDER. Yes. Meade IVhitaker. Chief Counsel of the Internal Revenue Senice. ~fr. Chairman. I'd like to introduce some of the others who are \yith me. if I may. To the rear of :Mr. Whitaker. on the far right, is ~£r. Singleton "T~lfe. our Assistant Commissioner for Compliance. Senator TOWER. 'Vhy don't you have them stand so we can identify them? Mr. ALEXAXDER. To Mr. Wo}£e's left is William E. Williams, the Depnty Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Senice. And to Mr. Williams' left is 'Varren Bates. our Assistant Commissioner of Inspection. To the real' of :Mr. ,,-oUe is Mr. Thomas Clancy, the Director of our Intelligence Division. ('prtain of yonI' sp('(·itj:· (Jlh·,~[-.iOll:" 1!ut.\' lIP hett~r l'pspoJldpd to Ly ~OI!W of t1w [!Plltl"JIlI'II that 1 han' introd'lI'l'd than I,,' lJW, ",[1. ('I,ail'mall. \\Y01t1d' ~'Oll 1ih, to SI\l':\! 11ll'~'j'o\IP t lint I illl';,(,dlll'l:'.l! Thl' CIt.\TJLIL\X. YeC': [ tllink!f t111')' arl'i.!·oing tn tl'stify, th,'Y ShCll1J Ill' ::;\\'onl. 1)() ('a('ll of \Oll soil'lllllh' S\ll'ar Ihat any tl'stiJl101!'" \'IlII lIla\ ~'in' at this ]1ro(,ppriillg' will 1)(' th,' trllth. the ,y];ole trnth, ;lll~lIlOthijliLllt t liP 11'nth. so hel p yon nodi "'Jr. 'VOl,n:. T (In. :'IIi'. B.\'ITS. I lIn. }[r. ('1.\:';('Y. 1 dn Mi'. ,I'lL[ , \)IS. I do. 'Ill(' CII,\m:lr.\X. ~U1rii2'h(, ::\f1. ::-;e]marz. :Ifl', SClI\\ARlI, ~rl'. ~\lcxand(l'. ,on tl'ok O\'<'l' as Connni~i'.ion,~r 11'111'11 I . • ::\Jr. ALEX.\XDER. ~Iv ('Olllillissil)]l r[;il.t;; -!'r0m ~,LIV 2b, 1\)7;3. I waS 3WOl'n iC OJ: :'ILly:.!!). 1!)T:\. • :\11'. "-;Cll'''-\I:~. S(>\',. tho ('jl:tirlll~';\ .'lIet LlI(' \ jet' ch:til'lli:Ul horlJ mudc statpIIlPllls ill Iyhieh t hpy JIldicat ('Ij tl 'I' i I' l"JJl('Cl'Il about the ll~e of the IHS as an illtclligeil<~(-[:athering ani, of otherageJicie,'i 0f tlh' (iOYl'l'lllllellt. anl[ in whirh tLI'i j11dicatplltlwjr l'OllCCrn about 1110 ,'i1;g' thu Jn~; into al'1il'ities ot11e1 thi'tIl tax enfoJ'('pmenL - The nl'SL ljlH'f-;lion I Lav,' is" ;":lli' raJ '1llestioll: ,1 0 y01[ :oh,,;; (;,OSP ('Oll( ('1'11S I; "\nd tlll' SP('Ollll gpl'l'l'al 'jllp"tiOll. hlYe )'(\11 tried IO do any· ILing abOla it i .'fr..\..LEX.\ XlJEll. First. 1 do ",illd',- t 110,:,1:' ('Ol1,'pl'ns. ~~e"()lld, r j,( "e (riclI. [ am ll'yi 1112', all,l I .~h:'! i ,oLl j Jl ,H' I () \ ["I' tf) do s0ll1Ptlting a]..-111( it. T find llo(11ing' lll,tit!:c:ir'ni ,'\'tV.H':, e!ip('[II'P Lllv LLfor:'PlPC:llt and responsibk aml]p~'ai in \\ t'llfon:I'JI,l'nt. T li.nd that thr II~:-i is a ja~'gc agi'l.1('y l~~lving Lll'g(1 r·(j\Yt:l':-)'1 rUl~: kl\'jli;':" last "ron· (,I' ,{)'iJid(,l1lj~t1 i"!'Ciunariol1. 'I'lli" information. tlil'se pOlY '.' L'; , t1wse J(,,.(ll.II'I'POi. lIleall th'lt the IRS has a gn:,:t ,lut)' to rOll(luct ihelf cifpl'ti \'pl \' ]Int ab, I'psnun"ih1 'I. '\"'in dl( manatrPlIll'llt 0;' 111'.' (US Ln~'f Iw(~n do;.;:g; "Ill' best to "aiiSf thl' TR"-: to;-iO :~mdIH'r i1:-:('I£. ::\11'. S~'lf\\~_\HZ" 'l~psttlr(lay. \YI1C'1 \\'!, \\~P1'1' tanZ11Jp 1][ y()t~:' otnr'p, you g'a Yl'. IE ,ill i 1111'-t !'ation oJ \\'IWI .' ou t hon:..dn h;1<l bel'll all pxeps;,;j", tendelj(·.'- to ronrV]]tnllP OIl intpilip:PIICI' gathering as 0PPOS8<1 t(, tax enfol'l'('n1l'nt. the UUl1l]w!' of ill!'PlltS ill 1i,;, Brooklyn offi('c that were de\'ot.:d to tl10se t\\'o ["tllS oj' :'0111' ',\'ork. WOllid \'on Lecount tllar. and '.\'hat ]psson \'011 (ll'PI" fr<,lJl it. Hnc]\\'hat \OU did about it? ::\Ir, .-\Ll-;X_\X]\E~(. 011 CU,' 01' '1\." pall,Y tiel(l tl'l]>S, T visited [L,(~ Bn,oklyl\ offil'l', lUl'l 1 "\'as Told Ibn'in!.!, th,d \isil thai "t had SOll1C' 27 il!l:el!t:-, C11:.!.'agrd at tlmt j inl" III gacl;;·ring illLellIg\'l1(,l~ and fl far smallel nmnlwl' H\g'flgl'd III n,il,a]l) '.\'()!'king (,lISf'S. I believe those numbers relat('ll to a 1HlI'ti' ll]a]" g-l'<mp of people and probablY they r1 id nl ,1 ('(.':,'1' ,till Iw sJl('('ia I "g('nts assipll'd n that part iCll]ar distl'id. BlIt I was roncpl'JIl'll abollt \lbethi'!' Oil1" :-e]];',(l nf priorities was It ,'ound one. l was COl\cell\ed abrlllt (~ii'edivl' use of resoun:es. And we lune a dntv to lise thp liLlitpel resourcps that WP have ,ffediY-el'! in rl)P vast job'that'",p han'. . And I \1'i:S roncenwd ,11so abont HI'~c:ti" t' i ax enforcement. on thu one hanel, and preservation ,Ii: indi i'ielual rights, on the othel:, I pre6 yiously had the same concern about the workings of the Spe~ial Service Staff, anothrr example of the use, if you wilL of the IRS and its people and its powers in a y,;ay that can at best be described as inappropriate. \Ve set about to see what we were doing, and why we were doing it, why we needed to be engaged in generalized intelligence-gathering, as contrasted with obtaining the specific information that we must obtain to supplement that which is gin'n to llS, or to correct that which is given to us. Many taxpayers comply with the law, as you pointed out, ;\11'. Chairman. but some do not. And we have an obligation to see to it that the tax burden is spread as the law requires. To fulfill that obligation. we must gather information, but we need to gather only that iyhich is related to that job of ours, of tax administration and t'ax collection, and we need to be cognizant of individual rights and the Constitution, in our efforts to gatIler it. -Senator TOWER. I think we do need this -function. I think it is badIv needed, to have an etfectii-e enforcement of the internal revenue laws; and I think onr people are generally fine people doing a difficult job well. I think then' have been some isolated instances of aberrations and departures from these principles, and I think we need to correct these instances and to control our operations for the future, rather than to eliminate the intelligence gathering. ~fr. SCIIW.\RZ. I am sure there are going to be specific examples that people rome to, but trying to set the framework at the outset, have you taken steps to cnt back on iyhat can be characterized as generalized intelligence gathering or finding out information at random about American citizens? ~fr, Au:xAXDER. Yes. In fiscal veal' Inn, this generalized intelligence gathering cost the IRS and, 'therefore. the American taxpawrs. almost $12 million. That was reduced in fiscal vcar 1971) to $4.~ million. These dollars are a measure of the redudion. . Mr. Scnw.\Rz. In a couple of your answers, you have referred to the powers. or large powers. of the IRS. Now, everybody knmvs the IRS colleds taxes. but what did you mean by focusing on large powers 1 'Yhat powers does it have that other Government agencies may not have? 'II'. AT,EXAXDER. 'Ve have powers that other arrencies do not have to obtain information. peremptoTY powers, powers to issue summonses, to reC]uire information to be fllJ:nished to us. 'Ve haw, fnrther pmvers: powers to seize property: powers to terminate a taxable year. and then. hy assessing the tax immediately, and taking collection action, take money from a taxpayer: thr PO\YCl' to makP a jropardy assessment. Xow. thrse pOivers are necrssary to tax enforcement. but because thry a.re so great, berause they are so perrml,tor:" lwcause they can be e,>erclsed by the IRS ivithol1t the intE'n-rntion of other flp'encies or courts, assmning we're acting in rrooG faith. iYC have an added obligation to use them iviselv and only iyhen necessary. 'fl'. SnTinRz. You drew an iml)Ortant distinction there. did vou not? Supposrdly-althol1O'h iY(' hai-e nOiV sren rvir'lrn('e to the rontran- agencirs like the FBI cannot enter sonwbodv's h0118e and get their pllllPr8. iyitllont havinrr a srarrh warrant annroH'd by a rOllrt all(1 !)'oinrr throl1rrh some pro('('ss of r]wrkino' and limitinp:. whereas the IRS has thE' power to compel an indii-idual to provide the most inti7 mate details about his financial life, peremptorily, as you say, or without going through other processes. of the courts~ for example. Is that right? ~1r. ALEXAXDER. "'VeIL subject, of course. to the fifth amendment privilege. "There appropriate. 'Ye give a }Iirandn-type warning" immediately to the taxpayer. in order to make sllre that the taxpayer is aware of his or her rights. But we do have powers to call upon third parties. for example, to supply financial information about a taxpayer to us. Mr. SCInBRZ. I have nothing further at this point. :\1r. Chairman. The CHAIR)fAX. Mr. Smothrrs. do yOIl ha"e any questions at this point? }Ir. S)fOTIIERS. ~Ir. Chairman. just onp brief arpa of inquiry. I IUlYe been concerned. }h. Alexander. and the committee has received information regarding hOlY the IRS deals with its enemies, if you 'Yill. particularly the tax protestor groups. "Te have information indicating' that there has been an effort made to infiltrate these groups. if you ,yilL primarily based on their anti-IRS activities, including things sueh as efforts at physicaI destruction at your offices and the filing of reams of blank retmns. Is it yom view that IRS investigators should be used in this eapacity, or is this a matter better handled by other investigative agencies like the FBI? Mr. ALEXAXDER. :\Ir. Smothers. there are instances where the use of the techniques that you have described would be necessary. Those instances are few indeed. I think that the IRS has a responsibility to see to it that those who attempt to defeat tax administration and tax enforcement do not succeed. And. accordingly, as to tax resisters, we have an interest. and shall. I think. maintain an interest in making their efforts fail. But we also haH' a dutv in the fulfillment of thIS limited goal to live up to the constitutio;lal principles and the law. because we cannot enforce the law properly by violating the law. Mr. S)fOTHERR. "Y1r. Alexander, my question goes to who should be invoh'ed in this enforcement? For example, if we had dissidents bombing the State Department. then we ,vould certainly ask the Federal Bureau of InYestigation to look into that. ",Ve would attempt to apprehend the culprits. Should the IRS be devoting its energies to the essential task of catching criminals. criminals whose activities are reallv unrelated to vour fundamental mission ~ Mr. AVU;XAXDER. Xo.v :\11'. S)fOTHERS. vVould it then be vour recommendation that these efforts not be dedicated to these kinds of functions? Mr. ALExA~DER. It is mv recommendation that the efforts that the IRS mahs in this generai area, as well as the limited area that you first described. should be limited to those necessary to achieve our mission of administrating and enforcing tax laws. rather than other goals. This accounts. I might suggest. for the action that I took that the chairman described with respect to the Special Service Staff. That also accounts for certain other actions that the IRS has taken. Tax protesters are indirectly related to tax administration, in that those who preach resistance to the tax laws are likely to practice resistance as ,veIl. ",Ve do have an obligation to see to it that the tax laws are enforced. and ,ve are concerned about scofflaws. ",Ve should not be overly concerned. hOlyever, so as to devote undue resources to 8 this task, or to go about thi5 task in a way in ",-11ich our enforcement tedllliqucs descend to the techniclues of SOllle of those who are opposed to taxes. 111'. S?rIUrHEHS. Thank you. I have nothing further at this time, Mr. Chairman. The CUAIRM.\N. Thank vou. .Mr. Commissioner, when you became the Commissioner, were you ild'oJ'med by the staff of the IRS about the existence of this Special ~el'vice group?; Mr. Au:x.INnUl. -'fr. Chairman. I hall hpard about the Special Service Staff from prpss rpports prior to the tillle that I took officr. The day after I took office. 01' the day after I was sworn in on May 30, I had a mepting ill Illy office with resped to till' Special SelTice Staff and its then activities. The CHAIRMAN. Aud was a full disclosure made to you at that time of the activities of the Special Services Staff ~ :.\1r. ALEXANDER. In llly opinion, not. The CHAIRMAN. In your opinion not ~ Mr. ALEXANDER. Right. The CHAIIDIAN. What is the basis for that opinion ~ Mr. ALEXANDER. The basis for that opinion, Mr. Chairman, is my recollection-which I consider entirelY correct-that I was not told on May 30 of a fact which some others in the room knew; that a memorandum describing activities which are antithetical to proper tax administration was, indeed, an expression of the National Office of the Internal Revenue Senice about the attitudes and the activities of the Special Service Staff. That memorandUIll suggested that the IRS should concern itself with rock festinls. ""here youth and narcotics may be present. I find nothing in title 26 of the Int~rnal Revenue Code to suggest that ,,-e should have a concern about rock festivals. I find that particular illustration, as well as the rest of that memorandum. to be antithetical to our job. And ,....hen I found out it was a National Office memorandum rather than an aberration in the field, I ordered the Special Sen-ice Staff abolished. The CHAIRMAN. ,Yhen was this memorandum which defines the purposes alld objectiYCs of the Special Service Staff called to your attention? Mr. ALEXANDER. It was raIled to my attention, as a National Office document at the end of a dialog that I had with the then-Regional Commissioner of our North Atlantic region. I was trying to find out why on earth the N'orth Atlantic region issued this memorandum, and did they rea llv belien this sort of stuff: and if they did, I wanted to rorrect t1~eir attitude. . I finally learned. as I rerall, on August 8 of 1973-- The CUAIRlIL\N. ,Vas that 4 months after you took office that you first learned of this mrmOl'andlllll defining the f11nrtions of the Special Service Staff? ~fr.A.LExANnER.Almost 4 months. The CHAIRMAN. Almost 4 months. Calling your attrntion to the memorandum. which I think for the Senators' purposes is-- ~fr. SCHWARZ. It is ma,l'krd exhibit 1,1 1 See p. :::9. 9 The CHAlR~L\::-r.Do you have that, ~lr. Commissioner? Mr. ALExAxDER. Yes I do, ::\1r. Chairman. Mr. SCHWARZ. ~!r. Alexander. it is exhibit 1. The CHAlR~IAX. Xmv, I read from the memorandum the following excerpt: Functioning under the Assistant: Commissioner (Compliance) a ">vedal COlllplianee group was estahlished in August 19G9 to receiYe and analyze all available information on organizations and indh'iduals promoting extremist views and philosophies. ~ow, stopping right there, do you think that it is the proper business of the IRS, which is set up to collect taxes for this country, to receive and analyze all anlilable information on organizations and individuals promoting extremist vie\\'s and their philosophies? Mr. ALExAxDER. No. The C'HAIIDL\X. Reading further from the memorandum: "Tlwse organizations and indi\'iduals can be generally categorized as, (1), Violent Groups"; and then, "in cate,!:UHT (2), there is ample evidence of activities involving so-called Xon-Violent Groups, who by alleged peaceful demonstrations oftentinws delibrrately initiate \'iolence and destl'llction... Ko\\', stopping right there, eWll if that \\"('re so, cloes it not follo\v that protection against violence and (lrstruction is properly the work of the policp-incl1ll1ing the Federal police. the FBI--and not the concern or the \vork of the IntPl'llal Hp\"rll1le Service! 3Ir. ALl·;XAXDEH. Yes. The CHAIH;lL\X [continuing]. Included are those who publicly destroy and burn draft cards, destroy Selective Service office records, partieipate in all [sie] organize "lay Day demonstratl.Ol:s, organize and attend rock festinl1s which attract youth and narcotics. aid in funding the sales of firearms to Irish Repuhlican Army, Arab Terrorists, ct cptera; trayel to Cuba, Algeria, and 1\'ortll Yietnam in defiance of existing statutes relating to seditious acts: ineiting eOllllllotion and resistance to authority hy encouraging defectors in tlle Armed Forces to enter into alliances to subvert this nation. XO\Y. lea\·in!! aside \\'hether or not tIll' actual names of individuals and organizatlons that werc placed on this watch list by the IRS-whether or not they fit in this category, that \yhole category has nothing to do with collecting taxes. does it? ::\Ir. J,LEXAXDER. It has nothing to do with it. except insofar as two things arc cOlwel'lled: First. if an organization claiming tax exemption is not entitled to it. it is Dill' obligation to do sonwthing about it, and it is our obligation to determine \yhetlwr an organization claiming' that status is entitled to it. Second. if someone deduris a contribution to an organization that is not tax-exempt. an(l therefore not entitled to receive deductible contributions. it is om obligation to do something about that. Beyond that. we haw no concerns in these areas, and these areas are not a normal part of tax administration. The CUAIlDL\X. But this memorandum \yent \yay beyond that. :NIl'. ALExAxDER. 'Yay beyond that. . . The CHAIlDL\X. 'Ya1' 1)('1'011(1 that. and it ('\'en \\"fnt-in arinal practice- the Special SCITler Staff went \yay beyond these gronps. I think it IlIust haw. lYe look at some of tlw indi\'iduals: ,yhat did columnist .Joseph Alsop han' to do \yith mcl\: festiyals? 10 :Mr. ALEXAXDER. I have no idea. ~Ir. Chairman. Senator TmnH. That is an intriguing thought, ~Ir. Chairman. The CIfAlIDUX. 01' funding the sale of firearms for the Irish Hepl.!- blican Army, or violating sedition laws by traveling to North VIetnam? I mcan. what was .Toseph Alsop's name doing on that list? Do you know? ~fr. ,,\L}:XAXDEH. I haw no idea. }[r. Chairman. I have no idea why my name was on the IGRS (Information Gathering and Retrieval System) file. The CHAIIDL\X. ,Yhat about }Iayor .101m Lindsay? Do you know what connection he had with any of these organizations that would jnstify pntting his name on the list? }Ir. ALEXAXDEH. Xo. I do not. The ClIAlR~L\X.,Yhat about Xobel Prize \yinner Linus Pauling, who just last week recei \'ed from the President of the "Cnited States the Xational Science )Iedal? Do YOU know why he \yas on this list to have his taxes looked at, this list of violent and 'nom'iolent activist groups? ~1J.. ALEXAXDEH. Xo. The CHAIR\L\X. ,Yhat about Senators Charles Goodell and Ernest Gruening? Do you know why they \H're on the list '( Mr. ~lLEXAXDER. Xo. The CIIAIR\L\X. ,Yhat about Congressman Charles Diggs? Is there any reason why he was put on a special watch list for examination of his taxes? }Ir. ALEXAXDER. Xo. The CIIAIR~L\X. ,Yell, there arE' other names here that are equally puzzling-\\Titer .Jimmy Breslin. rock singer .James Brown-- }Ir. ALEXAXnEH. That would eome under the rock singer category. [General laughter.] 111'. ALEXAXDEH. There was apparently quite a concern about that. I suppose some of our people did not like rock music. )\0\\" I share that view. I don't like rock music. But I don't think it has anything to do with tax E'nforcE'ment or tax administration. The CHAIR)L\X. ,Yhat about eil,il rights JE'adel's ~\aron Henry and .Tesse .Tackson and Coretta King? ..\fr. ~\L};XAXDER. The same answer. no. The CIIAIR~L\X.Or actress Shirley ..\heLaine? ,Vas that because she ,,,ent-did she go to Xorth Vietnam at one point? I do not think so. You do not know whv she was on it? .Mr. ALEXA:-WER. I don't. The CHAIR~rAN. ,VeIL when you discO\'ered names of people and organizations that even went beyond a memorandum, which you yourself have described as unrelated in its thrust to tax collection as such, what did you do? ..\fr. ALEX.\XDER. I ordered the Special Sen-ice Staff aboli~hed. That order ,,'as given on August 9, uJ7a. It ,yas implemented by manual supplE'ments issued on August 13. 1973. lYe held the files. I ordered the files to be held intact-I'm not going to give any negative assurances to this committee-in order that this committee and other committees could review these files to see what \vas in them, and see what sort of information was supplied to us on these more than 11,000 individuals and organizations as to whom and on which files 'wre maintained. 11 I suggested, ~Ir. Chail1nan. that at the end of all of these inquiries, I would like to take those files to the Ellipse and hayc the biggest bontire since ISH. . The CIIAIR:\IAX. "'Yell. I concur in that judgment. I would only say this to you: in a 'nty. it might lw a mOl'p important bontire than the Boston Tea Party when it comes to ]Jl'Otecting individual rights of American citizens. I am glad you feel that ,vay. I am glad you took that action. ",Yhat COllce1118 me, and ,,,hat should be of conce111 to this committee, is that there is apparently no la,,' on the statute books restricting the extent to '''hich the IRS can be used as the whicle for harassing or investigating citizens who are engaged in other kinds of activities quite unrelated to the question of their tax liability. Though in your hands as Commissioner these abuses might lw stopped. in the hands of a less SCJ'll]Julous Commissioner tlw.\' could be reinstituted. And I think it is the work of thi" committep to write the laws in such a wav that that ,,,ill not happen in the future. .' ~rr. ~\U:X.\XDER. ~fr. Chairman. there is one proyision in the Internal Rewnue Code that does provide a restriction on part of the improper activities that von haw desC'ribml. In section 7214 of the Internal Revenue Code. tlw]:e is a prm'ision making it a crime for an Internal Revenue employee to knowingly (lemancl from a taxpayer a tax other than what the law reasonably requires. That does not go all the way. 'What the IHS, the administration. and Congress need to do to safeguard the future is to ha,'e sound la'Ys. sound procedures. good people, continual oveTsight. and continual yigilance by the press. The CIL\IR~rAx. I agree ,,,ith that. ",Ye 'Yill be ,Yorking on rocommendations after we conclude this inyestigation that will help protect us against abuses of this kind in the future. And we would solicit your own l't'commendations in that rl'gard. Yon tried. as Commissioner, to put a stop to these acti"ities, and we naturall" '\'Plcome anv recommendations you might 11[1\'e to make. Senator 'Tower? . Senator TOWER. Thank vou. ~Ir. Chairman. First. I ,Yould like to commend ~rr. Alexander for "'hat he has done to cure some of thc problems that ,,,e found within the IHS. Yfr. Alexander. who decides when to utilize the intel1igcnce apparatus of IRS, and how much discretion do the district directors exercise in determining ,yhen to emplov this capabilitv. and against whom it should be targeted?'· , :Yfr. ALEXANDER. Senator Tower, I ,,,ill respond generally. and then I ,youldlike for J1r. "'Volfe. who has beE'n in Internal Reycnue far longer than 1, to supplement my amwer. Our special ag-ents are frequentlv called in bv revenue agents in our audit aetivitv. or bv reYenue officers in our colle'etion activity. when the re"enue ageilt or l:e"enue officPl' finds reason to belieYE'o in the course of his audit inycstirration or his collection inYestigation. that fraud has been committed. This accounts for tlw ,QTPater part of investigations madp b:v our special a[!'ents in our Intelligence Division. Some cases. hmYE'ver. arise bv reason of communications that we receive. from informants or othenvise. ,,'hich indicate that tax evasion has been commiUe(l. and that the chances of fraud warrant the expenditure of time and money in an im'estigation. Some eases are developed 12 hy the Intelllgence DiyislOn. flcting as snell. after it has collected information tpHding to estahlish the likelihood of tax eyasion. And. of i'ourse. onr peoplp also 1york c]osply \yitll tI\(' J)epartnlPllt of .Justice J:t1YVI'1'';, PlH] otll('1' agencips. in tllP Stl'ikp Fo!'l·cs. of which we now have 17 aronn([ the ('Olin! n.'. \\1:<.sp acti\,irips aI'(' largely dilw'ted town rrl organizpd crime. The ([r:cision 1vOtdd he madc as to whet her to go forward with an inn·sr.igat.ion on a decpn(ralizhl basi" in onr (list rids hv onr TIt'lrl managG/,";, 'not nec'essarily the di\,ision chief or the lmlll~'h chief or the group manager. as lundcl'slHnd it. :\O\Y, ~lr. 'Yolfe. 1yonld you care to snpplement that answer? .:vfr. "TOLFE. }1r. Towe·!'. HO IH'rcent of the 1york that our Intellig"] 1('" Diyisioll pngagps ill comes fl'()lll rdel'ra Is. eitlH'l' from the Audit Divisioll of the Internal Renl'1le Senicp or tll(' Collection Di\'isioll. Tlie rest of it comps through informants or tllrongh information that our spr~rial agents ~rather in theil' johs. EYery investi~tatioll mllst \w flppl'O\'l'd by the group manager of tlw grouI) to \yhich the special ng-ent is assi~l11f'd. ,Ye han> very strict I'nl(',.; concerning tllP use of flny investigative techniquf's. They must not (mly he legal but they must have the approval of tlw rhief of 'lw intf'lligenc(' division of that distrirt. All of tlll'Sf: people nre then nndel' tlw direct control of the District 1lilector of the district to whirh thev are assi'!Jled. Thev also are pl'ovide2 with very good manual instructions. 'In other ~yords. the manual instructions nnder \,hieh tlH~,\' arr to operate are prepared ll\'l'l' in 'Yashingioll. They am also provided with handbooks, which are distributed from here in ·Washington. outlining the procedmes which they are to follow. So those are. in general. the means by which we operate. Senator TOWER. Thank yon. Mr. Alexander, who sets thr limits for determining 1,hrn to employ :mdf,!,rovrr agents and when to aecept and 11S(' information from an inrol'lnant? For examplp, our committee has been told that unrlerrover agents at a meeting of tax protestors listened to the protestors' legal defense plans and then passpd that information on to the F.s. attorneY~ s office. This wonld appear to me to be an abuse of IRS intelligence eanability. I would appreciate yonI' comment on the propriety of tactics of that kino. }fr. ALEXAXDER. I agTf'P with your conclusion. Spnator Tower. I do nnt think that IRS nmlerconT !1,!!.'ents shonlrl interfere 1yith the right (If anynne to coullse1. ,'\nd the illl'ic1ent that YOU mentioned is of eonsicif'l'ahIe concern to me. . ",Ye han> tightened np materially on nIP use of ull(lercover agents. 1Vr now have. T h('lieve. onl,\' two nnrlercon>r agents in the country at this particl11ar time doillg this. And we haye called for strict controls and drcisions at tlw top level before further undercm'er projects mnv ))(' nndertaken. Senator TOWER. Mr. Alexander. the datil bllnk of IRS contains a 2:reat ileal or information in addit;ol1 to the tax retllrn rlorumt'nts that art' supplied bv the taxpayrrs. Why is so mnrh nc1ditional infoI'mntion llPf'pSsary if no qnestion has hpen raised concerning rptnnlS fild by a giypn individnal? 13 :\fr. _\LE:\.A~])ER. \\\. need to transcrihe nnr1 retain a vast amount of information in Oli!' compntp]' centers in order to do our job of sl'eing' to it that peoplE' pay tlle ('Ol'l'pet tax. no IIl0rp. no less, that we kno'l' ho'l' l),uch j]]I'~" pay. that IYP b10'1' \yhat tllr· pssP11tial charactpristi<' s of thpir retlU'll are. so tlwt \Ie "lUI spleet t]I(' returns for i1ll(lit on an ohjpctin' ba"is. \"hieh arc most like].'" to nped audit. Am] so if SOl1\('O!W finds he or shp has o\,prlooked sOlllething and 111es a claim for refulld \"illl LIS at a latpr til1l('. m' an' a])le to process that claim: \\"],el'(, if SOllll'OlH' at a late!' timp decides to use the ]}('nefits of the income an'ntginl.r provisions, for example. WP are able to deter111ine from haek years whnl that j)prfion's rppOItrd income 'was, in order to test to make St1n~ that thnt 1wrso11 is pntitled to thp benefit \\hir'h is being "['liJII('(1. ~"() ,yp IIp('d to rNain in our data hanks. and nse n'fV ('arpin]]\', infornwtion from tax rptnrns. Bnt hI' no means does th~s inforl11l1tion tllat WI.' transrrillP rontain tIl(' pnt'ire mas" of information rontainpd on an indiyidnal's tax rC'tUl·Jl. In the first p]arE'. it is not ('ost dfprtiye to transrrilll' and retain that ,yhich is n01 strictly n('('l'ssnry. am] srconel. IY(' want to maintain minimum information oil computr:rs. ltaving in mind both the bpnefits of computers and also the risk of eornpllters. Nmy. ,ye do have in 0111' i]1te]]i~'encp gatherillp" a compnterized svstem \,hich we instid1ec1 ill 1\17;). modifierl in 1\174-. and curtailed e'arJier this ~"ear. and now 1 aIll making surp tlwt it is limited to matters which shou lrl properly hr mainta ined on a compnter. That is a different system from wh8t I hw\"e jnst dC'srrilw(1. Senator Tower. Senator TOWER. :\fr, Alexander. is there periodiC' destruction of information other than thp retnrns of taxpayerfi ~ Fol' those taxpayers whose retul'ns haye not bepn called into 'luestion, do you periodically destroy this information ~ Mr. ALEXAXDF.H. Yes. In' do. sir. Senator TOWEll, Thank '1'011, :\11', Alexander, :\fr. Chairman. The CHAIR:lL\X. Thank 'vou, Senator TO'Iwr. Senator :\1ondale? Senator MO~nALE. Thank yon YE'rv much. :\fr. Chairman. Commission!'r. may I first' say that I find your attitudC' and ap· proach very. ypry refreshing. I wish to say that. As I look at this problem that ~"ou \wre confronted ,Yith when you assumed office. what yon ,vert' spring:. rrpparently, was one pa;'t of .a much broader program to haw a secret Gowrlllnrnt countermtelhgence capability on persons ~llld organilatiOlls ~hought to be dangerous on some ill-defined Lasis ra H!!i Illl' fI'Olli war ll11rl'st anel civil rights demonstrations. to rock festi\'als. just flhout eH'rything. In any event, t'Jw net s\\'ept prad;l'f!1h" pH'J'ynnp.•Joseph Alsop to Rally Quinn. That is ,yhat vou f')1\wl whell YOU camr in as Commissi011PI' of Internal Revrnile. Is that correct'? Mr. ALEX,\XPEH. I ,nmld not \,ant to make it that s,wrping. Senator ::\fondnlc, TIl(' S n l'cinl Sl'T'Yicf' Rtaff im"olvl'd only eight ]wonle in the IRS. It did mlled informatinn on more than 11.000 inc1i\"iduals and organizations. It did not conduct audits. It di,] send information out to the field for andit and collertion action. Rut I don't think it should he considered in aliI' wav illustmtiw of the Service as a I\'holr. I think the Servicp heM up well in resisting that. Srnrttor 11o~]).ILE. I dir] llot ,,"ant to SllQ"Q"PSt that I wrtS gettinQ" at something rlsp. ~fy question was a broader one direeted not just at GO-877 0 - '16 - 2 14 IRS but at other agencies "'hich may haye bpen inyoh'ed directly a,nd indirectly with this counterintelligence capabilit), deyeloped in YUl'ious agencies in the Federal Goyernment, of which ,w haye seen some examples herp. Mr. AU:XAXIlEH. Yes; I think there was a svndrome at that time. I would like to add that I greatly appreciate what you han' said when you opened your question,.;. There are some. apparently highly vocal, that disagree flatly with your statement of apprcJ"al of what I haye been trying to do. Senator )IOXIHLE. X0 doubt. I wOllld like to rl'tul'll to that point J raised in my first qllestion~ because I think it is central to understanding what it was that you were dealing with and thl' more fundamental issues that this committl'e IllllSt deal with. I think what you saw "'as just a part of a broader~ more basic project by which various agencies~the FBI, the CIA~ and eyen the 'White House~decided that the criminal laws ,veren~t adpquate to deal with the threat to this nation and that therefore they needed a new tactic. That tactic was really borrowed from our tactics oyerseas against mainly Communist threats, called counterintelligence. "Tithout any prob1l;ble cause to believe a crime was being committed and taxes being unpaid, we would throw out a huge net: we would open mail. even though we did not know what was in it, and intercept comIllunications with no grounds, thinking we might find something. lYe would send out Internal Revenue agents to look at people's taxes. not because we thought they weren't paying taxes. but because we might find out something. It is that ronrept of counterintelligence turned in on the American people which I think you had to deal with. That was a piece of it, because the IRS was getting these requests. as I understand it. from the FBI. from the CL\., and even from the White House, to investigate these people~ and the question is why. since it was unrelated in most cases to taxes. The answer is because of a fundamental philosophy that the only way to protect this country was to start spying on a broad cross-section of Americans thought to he dangerous by someone somewhere in the bureaucracy without legal authority. without definition. without any restraints and laws. Is that accurate ~ }[r. ALExAxDER. There certainly was a feeling of that kind, Senator :\fondale. And this mav well have' been a cause. 'if not the cause. of such thing'S as the Special Service Staff. Some Derceived a need to accomplish a particular result. fill a void in the law. a voio in capabilitv to enforce a law. And IRS is a convenirut vehicle. in the eves of some, to fill the voio. If a law is absent that someone "'i5hes' ,\'('re there, there is always a tax law. If the people ,,'ere absent that someone wishes were there, there are always the tax people. Senator )IoXDALE. All right. Xmy 00 you agree with me that t}lese tendencies of ill-defined counterintelligence activities. secretlv pursued, without legal restraints. constitute tendencies that could destroy American oemocracv. if unrestrained? :\11'. ALExAxDER. If un1'e<;trained. yes. Senator )fmmALE. So this is a very serious and profound matter of continuing a vital. nninhibited democracy. )[1'. ALEXAXDER. It is. The CHAIRMAX. Senator :\fondale. mav I just sav flt that point it has iust been called to my attention. this is how the FBI grepted the IRS program we are discussing. I have a memorandum here that was 15 written by .Jlr. Brpnllllll, directed to .Jlr. Sullivan in which he made the follm~·ing comment as to the FBI's reaction [e~hibit 2 ' ]' "A concentrated program of this nature. if properly implemented, should deal a blow to dissident elements. This action is long overdue." That just underscores the point that Senator .Jlondale made. The purpose had nothing to do with taxes. The purpose was to use a tax collecting agency to strike, in the words of Mr. Brennan, "a blow to dissident elements." Senator .JfOXDALE. Kow, happily, what we have here is a Comm~ssioner- and I hear this from an sources-who once again believes m the law and resisting these kinds of pressures. But can you be sure that these pressures have, in fact, been frustrated completely under your administration, and is there anything to guarantee that it won't happen again ~ Fundamentally. I guess what we are up against is this: If you have a President and people around who are paranoid enough to believe that we need this illegal, spooky capability of spying on the American people. how do agencies such as yours exist r Hmv do you say no to a President? Mr. ALEXAXDER. I would suppose with extreme difficulty and some trepidation. Luckily. I have not had to say no to a President because I have not been asked to do anything illegal and I won't be by President Ford. Now you asked several questions-- Senator .JloxDAu:. Let us just take President A and President Band Commissioner B 10 years from now. I don't want to get into personalities. but we have seen so much evidence of orders going down directing subordinate commissioners and officials and the rest to do things that are illegal and very, very dangerous. I think one of the questions ,ve have to answer. if possible. is hmv do you say no to that kind of pressure emanating from the 'White House and from the highest officials in American Government? .JIr. ALEXAXDER. You have to be ready to do what I have stated several times that I would do. And what I absolutely would do. If I were asked to do anything improper, I would refuse to do it. The requester then would have two choices. One. to agree with my refusal. The other, to remove me from office. Xow. I don't think that future commissioners should be subject to this particular difficulty. Particularly when a commissioner is new in office, the commissioner may think of all the great things that he or she is going to achieve and be concerned about the ability to stand up to an improper request. I think future commissioners, as I have testified before. should have 5-year terms of office. Xow you asked me whether I am sure that the attitudes and actions that ,ve have been discussing this morning have pervaded the entire IRS. I am not. I wish I could give that assurance, I cannot. Senator .JloxDALE. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Chairman. The CIIAIR~L\.X.Thank you, Senator Mondale. }Ir. SMOTHERS. Mr. Chairman, Senator Goldwater has an opening statement and some questions [see questions. p. 104] he would like submitted for the record. . The CHAIRl\IAN. Without objection it is so ordered. 1 See p. 42. 16 Sl'ATEMEKT OF SE~ATOR BARRY GOLDWATER The Internal Revenue Service recein's more information from more people ahont more llrjvate affairs than any other agenr'y in the Unitpd States Government. And therpfore. it has in its hands trPlllPndous pO\ver to harass and intimidate American citizens, It seems that nearly p\'erybo()y tlla l files a tax rpturn witll the IRS ('an aSSlllnp tllat someone plsp \vill have a('f'ess to it. Tax returns llHn' sho\\'n up in the hands of insurance adjustprs. private (lpte(·!ivps. county derk offi(o"s aIHI pven Illl\'e ht>pn llrinted in npwspapers, Even though leaks that allow thesp rptllrns to he ()istrill1lted aroulHl nHI~' not be the fault of tlw Internal ReVel1l1e, the ri>;ht of the taxpayer to prinl<'Y is hein>; eroded because of it. In fad. th" IRS is becoming a puhliC' lending- Iihrary of prh'a te information. Out of 81 million tax returns filed in 197-!. alJout 69 million wprp furnished to State autllorities in 31' Statps, As surprising- as tllpse numlJP!'s sound, this is a routine practice and it \l'{l1lld lIe possihle for all 1'1 million rpturns to hp availahle for inspection if the remaining 12 Statps ",antt'll them, TheS(, returns IUlve hpen provided to Statp goverlllllents with little or no control o;'er the information. And, this may aecount for speculation oyer the ~-ears that tax information ha~ !Jpen released during- state\vide political ealllpaiglls. En'll the jnry proeess has not h(,,-,n expm)Jt from IRS meddling. .Tur()r~' tax returns ha"e heen audile(!. Combine the power of the IRS with modern cOlllputer te('hnolog~' and the door is open to wholesale abusE' of privaey and thp humbling of prond and lwnest citizens. Our tax system is !Ja~ed upon voluntary cooperation, 'rhat cooperation will erode and fade a",a~', if the unconCPrtlPl! lmreaucrat uses his mightr computer to harass our friends and neigh!Jors, The CHAIRMAX. Thank you. Mr. Smothers. Senator ~fathias is next: . Senator ~fATHIAS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Commissioner, I think ,,'e ought to try and get the re('ord in as accurate shape as we ('an here. 'When you abolished the SSS. had you become aware of the circumstances under ,,'hich it was created? ~Ir. ALEXAXDER. X(): I was awaI'(' of sOllie of the cir('mnstances. but by no means awar£' of the circumstances as later developed and the details as later developed. Senator MATHIAS. Had you been told that Mr. Huston, who appeared earlier before. this ('ommittee. had been critical of the IRS in June of 1969 because it was not being active enough in investigating some of the organizations that were later investigated. Mr. ALEXAXDF..R. I think I heard something about the Huston plan, and of course Mr. Dean had testified. Senator MATHIAS. Of course, this interest on the part or Mr. Huston predated the Huston plan by several years. ,Vere YOI\ also aware that the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations had expressed a great interest in the IRS files on activist organizations and ha~ been very critical of the IRS because it was not doing enough in thIS area? Mr. ALEXX~\DER. Yes; I was generally aware of that. Senator MATHIAS. And that in fact the SSS was established on the very day that ~fr. Green testified brfore the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations and after he had been roasted by the committee because, the IRS hadn't real1y be"n active enough. ~fr. ALEX,\XnER. T think I l(>arned tluit later. Rut I am quite concerned about pressures from all sides. 17 Senator MATHIAS. ",Vell I think you ought to be concerned by pressure from all sides. I think the "'hole purpose of this effort that we are making nm" is to insulate the IRS and other agencies from those pressures. The pressures can come from the Congress. They did come from the Congress in HHl9 as well as from the 'White House. And I think, in considering what "'C aro going to recommend to the Senate and to thr House in the way of remedial legislation, we ought to remember that Congress itself was contributing pressure in the .wrong direction in 1968 and 1969. So we have to provide against mIstakes that we and our successors "'ill make. as ,w11 as against mistakes that future Presidents may make, in trying to put the IRS and other agrncies to improper uses. There has been some conversation here this morning about informants. And I wonder if vou could tell us exactly how you use informants for intelligence purposes. Do you still pay 'them It bounty? . ~fr. ALExAxm~R. I would hesitate to use the word bounty, but sectlon 7623 of the Internal Revenue Code docs provide for IRS paying for information that would aid the tax system. There are several types of informants. There are those who have grudges and want to do something about thrm and have no idea of monetary reward. There are those who supply information in a particular instance and would not only like to satisfy whatever grudge they may have but would like to gain a re"'ard as well. Senator MATHIAS. It is almost as sweet, not quite but almost as sweet, as a tax refund for yourself if you can be sure your neighbor is paying as much as you are. is that not right? ~fr. ALEXAXIlER. Tsuppose it ,,,auld be. Sweetness is, of course, in the eyes of the beholder. Senator JfATHIAS. Bittersweet. Mr. ALEXAXDER. It may br bittrrsweet to the neighbor. but some are eoncerned not only about what they pay but about what others pay. And the la,,, does provide-although we do not make lJIass efforts to encourage informants-for pa~'m('nts for information of "alue in tax administration. And finally 'H' get to the third type of informant. And that is the Sarah .Jane Moore type. if I may use a name that has been in the papers lately. a paid informant. an informant regularly furnishing information 'to a law enforcement agency and regularly being paid for that information. This is, T am told. a very effective law enforcement technique and a terhnique wry widrly used. It is also a wry dangerous technique and a techni'lue that must be wry carefully controlled. Senator MATTJI.\S. That brings me to tIl(' question of control. Is this controlled in ll.rcordance with a crntralized system or does each reg-ional office, area office. control the informants, set up the standard of payments. and generally set out the program? Mr. ALEXANDER. This last type of informant. the confidential informant seeking payment. frequently on a reasonably regular basis, for information fllI'nishrd to us. is now rontrolled in the national office. Mr. Wolfe controls this. 'Ye have instituted tight controls in the IRS. 'Ye did not han' these controls before, Senator Mathias, and thig has accounted for some of our problems. Senator ~L\TIII.\S. It was very decentralized in the past? 18 Mr. ALExA~m:R. Well, decentralized if you will, uncontrolled if you will. I am not certain that the question of control is governed by centralization versus decmtralization. ,Ve operate on a decentralized' basis as, indeed, we think we must. Our job is largely tax administration, so we are unlike law enforcement agencies whose jobs are strictly law enforcement. Law enforcement is ancillary to our major job. Our major job, as we see iL can best be performed free of political influences. performed objectively and efficiently. on a decentralized basis. And we have had the same general relationships, the same general system since, 1'952. Law enforcement activities are also decentralized with certain exceptions. The narcotics program, for example, was controlled out of our national office. So. it was centralized rather than decentralized. That program was not a good program for the IRS, and we have discontinued it as such. Senator MATHIAS. I think yon should. It was a wise move to discontinue it because thif': whole area, the use of informants, is, it seems to me. a very dangerous kind of area to operate in. and one that has side effects that can be very dangerous, far more dangerous than the information that an informant may produce. Let me ask you this: In your Veal' or two as Commissioner. have you ever been faced with a decision in this area of investigation, this area of intelligence, the area of confidentiality of returns, in which you were puzzled as to know what was the right thing to do, what was the right decision for you to make; and that you had recourse to the law and could not find the answer or any guidance as to what was right? Mr. ALEXAXDER. Yes. There have been some tough calls. Senator MATHIAS. Could you tell this committee, either now or perhaps you might like to submit it later in a memorandum, what some of those areas of decision are in which you felt the law did not give you the proper support, the proper guidance; which you felt the Congress had neglected to provide statutory guidelines for the proper conduct of the IRS? Mr. ALEXANDER. I would like to think about that question, Senator Mathias. It seems to me generally that the law as it exists today provides the mechanism for proper and effective law enforcement, and at the same time, for responsible and responsive law enforcement. One of our problems in the IRS has been that in certain isolated instances the controls that then existed were not respected, or controls were lacking. We are attempting at this time, and have been attempting this year, to institute new and considerably stricter controls in a number of areas, particularly the one that concerns you and concerns us, confidential informants. Now the institution of controls, strict controls, where controls did not previously exist, is a disturbing, unsettled thing to people. And the reaction of certain of those people has been very clear in the media this last weekend. We also, the Chief Counsel and I, are reviewing and have revised a prior policy of the service toward illegal evidence; we do not believe that we have any business using it. This is unsettling and disturbing to some. 19 Senator ~L\TIIL\S. I thank YOU. Commissioner. I think I would. for one. yalue any thoughts you' haYe in order to expand on this thing. I think you should impose controls. eyen in the absence of statutory direction. But I do not think the Congress can pass the buck to you, and I do not think it is a discharge of our responsibility for the Congress to pass the buck to you, to take all of the heat on the proper regulation of other agencies. It might work for Commissioner Alexander. It might not work with another commissioner, some years hence. The Congress has a duty to perform and I do not think we can lay it all on your shoulders. ~Ir. ALEXAXDER. I am grateful to yOll for that statement. The CII.\TR:\L\X. ",Ye certainly cannot. Senator Huddleston? . Senator H"('DDLESTOX. Thank vou. ~Ir. Chairman. I think that we could agree "ith the statements that have been expressed by Senator Mathias. that cPrtainly the IRS is not totally at fault with "'hatever abuses may have occurred. However, I think we have to accept the fact that the IRS does probably gather more information on more Americans than any other agency. Certainly it is a very important aspect of this committee's work in achieving its objective. Probahly more than any other agency. it, like Caesar's wife, ought to be above reproach. It is the one area of law enforcement \vhere the fundamental right of a citizen to be considered innocent until proven guilty is reversed. He generally is considered guilty until he can prove himself innocent when a charge is brought. So I do not think that we can stress too much the necessitv for a high caliber operation of great integrity when we talk about the IRS. And that brings me to exploring a little further another area that Senator ~Iathias was touching upon, and that is the use of informants- whether or not this might cause some substantial infringement upon citizens' rights, the rights of privacy and other constitutional rights. I recalL for instance, the operation in Miami that is generally referred to as Operation Leprauchaun where a special agent there had a number of informants working under him. Those informants also had informants working under them that the special agent did not even know. He certainly could not be aware of the total types of operations that they were engaged in, in order to get the information. Thev talked about it on various occasions. At one time a woman informant suggested to the agent that she could use her sexual prowess in order to secure certain information. He maintains that he did not suggest to her that she should do this. But at the same time, he did not suggest that she not do this. She could use whatever means that she might want to employ. Xow it seems to me that if an informant that is directed by an agent and paid by the Federal Government becomes an agent of the Government. an arm of the IRS, and to whatever extent they abridge rights and freedoms, then the IRS is abridging rights and freedoms. And I do not know how you can operate without more control than was demonstrated by the operation, for instance, in Miami; when an agent does not eYen know who the informants are, where there at least appeared to be regular payments rather than payments just for specific information, Xo\\' 'I']llit lla'-; lJ"e!l (1(,,1<' and IS h·ilIg dOJk ilo\Y to ilJl1> 1'0\'(' tllat kind of :Oltllation 'I ~\Ir. Au;x\), lIEU. Senator Hl1\ld \"stOll. \\'P ha Y(' im-t ir\11 f,~d ne,,' eOlltl' 01s Oll payJllt'nts to cOlltldl'ntial infol'lJJall1.~ :tJ\fl 1m SIKh mutter!" a,,: Operation Lepl'('challn---and Operation LqJ!'l'chaUll is lIOt typical of the wav the IHS ~oes ahout itf' hmillc>ss or \\pnt ahout its business. Spna'to!' HrnDL;;f;TO:\. Hut Itl!' u:,e of illfol'lllants is Hot Ullllsual. Mr..\LEXA:\IlEH. It sho\\'e([ a lark of C'olltrol a1l(1 \I'p hayp instituted ne\\' controls. IVe have ca11eel ior the highp"t level of r('view of tllP USe of (:ontidential illfoJ'lllants, 1""' an' l'(,\'iewing the cuntrols that other ag-enci'~" han> he~'n Iisillg i,)!' some time \\,;111 l('speci to codidential illfonllaJit~. And. ,.,!rangdy elloll;'!'!l. a "llIt I,as hrollg:ht against me for trying to find ont tl; what ('.':tpI11 "'P ,ypre Iising eontl(lential ;llfOl'ltl<tllts and to what extent we Wl'l'e p:'yillg them and for what pJIl'poses. This Sllit has Sll\ce been dismissed, :\ow. Mr. IVolfe, OUI' Assistant COlllllli,.,siorwl' for COlJlp1ianee~ call reSpOl1(] in more d..tail 111an I about tite conllols that we now have in place and I wish he ,Yould supplement lily answer JIl'. TrOLl'£:. Senatol' HlIddlestoIl. what we haw done i" to cancel rhe authority of anybody in tlH' iiehll;, pay a eOllfirlclltia l illl'ormant. All~' payments to any 'iJllfidelltial informant Wllst be per,.,ona11y approved by me with full details of what information we tiff' paying for~ signed personalty by the Uegion,tl CO\JIJuissionel' of 1he rrgwll frOln which the request comes. Furlhermore. our Instrndions are now that we will only pay for information, lYe "i11not permit 0111' people to take an informant and <lirect what that illformanr is lIJ do. 1f that ll1fOrmflnl has information of tax sig-niticallce--and I strpss that- of tax significanee-- then the fiel(l is ppl'lllitled to COllie 10111.1 oilier with the request that it be pel'mittl"l to pay foJ' that il1fornJatj"JI. Only then lyill I approve any payment fol' any information. Senator IIFIJDLESTOS. Do yO\) make any etfon to dr:terllline what method mig-ht he used Iiy that infonnam to SPCUl'l tlwt information? :M:r. '\YOLFE. OUI' in~trlldions aLso ])ro\i;lp tllnt IiO informant is to obtain information iJ1egallv, ~ OIY. the use of ill fonllants. as you have so well pointed Ollt, can'he (iangel'oJls. lYe (10 /lor aI',\'a.vs !Olo,,:when we are getting mf'ollJHltillll rxaet]y ho\\- it has IJh'Ji o;Jlainecl. ,Ye do ask 0111' peoph jr) try to (!etennille alII' tilile all 'tnfOl'JlIanl has information- you an' Hot ah'ay," ;';ill'e. H01' ('ll1\ you Ill' "l1rc, lwulllse you don't know whether hI' will tell vo\( tlw tmrll or IJUr -II'hether this information 'was Iega Ily obtained. So we do ask our people to make reawnaL1" inquiry, but we do thar particularly to sfle whetlwr it liolatps tllt> ljglJi" of tlH' taxI,ayer invoh'ed. Senator HuUDLESTOS. That is a departure from the prl'yious policy. :Mr. .Au:x.',~m'R, It certainly is. Senator H rDDLESTO':-;, XOIl': ~n ihis matter (Jf inffiT'matioll that VOIl ~!l 1'1' tr , otlwl' a2'erJCles foJ' "l;ieb r IInderstand vou l'l'allv do not haw nl11c11 diseretion. The statnte sets up the provision fO'1' that undu regulations issllpd by the Pn'sident. Is tbnt ('\}lTect? }Ir. ALEXA"DER. That is correct. 21 Sellator I-IFDIJLESTO::\. Bnt it dor~ indicate tlw t ihe FDI. for jnstance, when reqnestin{! information. ~!JollJd J)i' slwcifie as to what the purpose is. Is that correct? }Ir. ALEXXXDEH. Yes. SPllatOl' HrvDLEsTO:-;. The fnei is they 11ave not been ;.;pecific. }fr. ~\U:X,\:\TH.H. Yes: the specinl'ity is Hot as g>'ent as it might be. Senator HnmLE"To"..\8 a matter of fatl. OJ] the reqnests that were g-in'll at lea~t prin]' to April of thj~ ypar. \vhen I nmlerstand new reg-nlations \wnt into rfT'ect. it wonld hE' viltnal1y imp08sible for you 01' any COllllllisslonn to dptt'l'IJlilw hom the lemlPst by. for instance, tIl(' F'nT. \vhether 1)1' not it did COTHply. ' . }Ir. )\LEX.\ XDEn. Yps; that i" a fa ir statement. T centralized thesr l'P<]nests in my- office hrCHllSe wp don't want allY tax information going from the back door to anybod.v else. othpr flg-eneies 01' the ,Vhite House, et cdera. But it is H'ry difficnIt to do Jl1on~ than jnst look at the face of thr request. _\nc1 if yOll "ec a nanH' on t hf' n'qne~t thai 11appens to be n Yf'J'y lik"ly politica1 opponent of thr ppJ'~on making the request, then that natnrally aT'onsrs f'uriosity. and that J'rqncst dOP" not go anywhere \1ntil we are CPl'taill it's propel'. Senator HrDDLEsTOX. Ent. in other words. when you snpplied the FBI with a list. for im~tancE\ of contrillUtors to a certain rivil rights organization. yon had no knowledge that they might have flt the time proposed to takr that list of C'0!:triJmtors to coni!'!", a fraudulent letter with the signaturp of the indiyid.nal head of this organization all "tationery that they' hacl secured surrep1ition~ly from this organization. and mail ont a lrtter to that list of I'ontriblltors designecl to disconrage them from fmther rontribntions. further participation? ~Ir. ALEXAXDER. Absolutely none. lYe have no knowledge of that. Senator HmmLEsTo". If you thonght that action was going to haPren, \vhat would YOllr reaction have been to releasin{! that list? ~Ir. ALExA~nER. 'Well. in the bllre~mcracy, the last one to sign off generally has the upper hand., all things considered. So. I have an idea that a requl'st like that would. find its way to the bottom of the pile and have great difficulty in emerging to the top. Senator I-h:.'nnLEsTOx. But it is a possibility? It was a suggestion on the part of a responsible member of the other agency. a strong enough suggestion. in fact. to be put into writing as a recommendation that this he done. a memo rE'xhibit :) 1J of ,,'hieh we happl'l1 to hal'e in the posspssioll of the C'omn1ittee. 1fr. ALEXAXDER. The law needs tightening up, Senator Huddleston, hadly. Wie need two thin{!s. ,VP need good 1a \\'s. and we need good people. Senator Hl'DDLBsTox. 1fr. Alexand.er. a number of methods were used by the IRS to try to pinpoint areas \\'here tax ension is a way OT Efr. a normal thing. ancl s0!nrthing that ought to be rhecked. This enables your agency to pv'[;;- ont groups and do a broad-based im'estigation. For instance. in one district. at len:ot. there was an rtfort made to C'llrrk tIll' fiYe top-pledecl officials in E'\'ery connty. just as a routinE' thing, even though tlwl'e \,as no indication that there had been any 1 See p. 45. 22 kind of corruption, any kind of tax evasion there. Another group went to a fight of the world heavyweight champion, )Iohammed Ali-who, I am glad to say is still the ,,'orId heavy,veight champ-in Atlanta, Ga. and took down the license numbers of all of those who attended. lind conducted a surveyof their returns. 1Ve have already mentioned the ideological groups that haw !wen routinely checked. First of all, among these kinds of checks. what is the percentage of returns of those individuals that are actuallv checked? Mr. ALEXAXDER. That are actually checked in this kind of thing? Senator HUODLESTOX. Right. After they have been spotlighted or pinpointed. Mr. ALEXAXDER. I don't know. Senator HUDDLESTOX. 'Would it be 50 percent! We have heard evidence that perhaps 50 percent of them would actually be checked. Mr. ALEXANDER. I'm going to ask Mr. Bates or ~Ir. 1Volfe or )Ir. Williams whether they know. I will dig that out and, to the extent we have anything, Senator, I will supply it for the record. But I would like to comment on this method of using our resources. I think checking license plates is an ineffective way to use resources. Senator HUDDLESTOK. They checked go-go dancers, incidentally, too. Mr. ALExAxDER. Go-go dancers? I didn't know there was a special concern as to go-go dancers. Perhaps we found tax evasion among that group. But this sort of thing is not the best way to use our people and our money and our powers. It may be fun and games to the person-Senator HUDDLESTOX. It might be a little bit more serious than fun and games. Mr. ALExAxDER. I agree with you. Some may consider it fun and games; I consider it verv serious. We have a problem not only of sound and effective and proper use of resources, but ,,'e have a problem of living up to the Caesar's wife stricture that people should expect from an agency with the vast powers, people, and information that we have. Senator HUDDLESTOX. The fact is that if our figures are right, some 50 percent of people who are targeted like this have their returns inspected. That means. for those who happen to get on the list because somebody disagrees with them at the 1Vhite House or the FBI, chances are 25 times better than for the normal citizen that his tax returns will be audited. And he will be at least harassed to that extent by the Federal agency. And, to go one step further. when you roll all of this together-the ideological effort. the blanket provisions of picking out politicians, office-holders or whatever-what has to emerge is an agency here that has a great propensity and a great ability to conduct a very strong, thought-policing effort in this country. I think this is where the dangers lie, in the misuse of the kind of power that resides in the IRS. Thank you, )11'. Chairman. The CHAIRl\fAX. Thank you very much. Senator. Our next member to question is Senator Schweiker. Senator SCHWEIKER. Thank you, )11'. Chairman. Commissioner A.lexander, you have thrown this committee off balance a bit and to some extent caused us some difficulh-, because the usual scenario that this committee follows is. first. we~ have to fight tooth and nail to get any document we can place our hands on. Sec23 and, ,ye are told we do not have a right to see the docnments anyway. Third, ,ye have a bottleneck, that the staff' is not available to provide us with that information, and we have to wait a couple more weeks to bring some staffers in. Xext, they argue that under the Constitution, the Rill of Rights really does not cover the points that we are trying to raise in their testimony. After that. they insist that no abuses existed; but whatever occurred, they stopped doing several years ago. And ,vhere you throw us off balance is, you sort of reversed that scenario all along the way and made it a little bit more difficult for us to operate, because you have given us documents right from the start. Even over this weekend, I understand there were some 50 people working in your offices to give us information for these hearings. In addition, you are telling us what the Rill of Rights means, instead of our telling you, which is a very pleasant change of pace. And also. you acknowledge that abuses have existed, and, I think more impressive than that, ~'our record. beginning in 197a, began with correcting some of those abuses. which no doubt has gotten you into some of the controversy that you have gotten into. So it is just a pleasant surprise to run into these kinds of scenarios instead of the kind we are used to. And, I think, to keep the record straight and to be objective. our committee should also make that a matter of record. I would like, Commissioner, to go into a couple of things that were happening before you came into office. One of them that disturbed me particularly-which, again, your office very helpfully supplied information on-was a project called Operation :\fercury, where, in essence, any individual who submitted a money order for over $1,000 through "Western Union, their name was given over, as well as any person who submitted a money order over $5.000 in the 1969 to 1972 time frame. As I understand, the result was that anyone who submitted an order, particularly over $5,000, probably had his tax status looked into in some degree. 'Would that be a fair sum-up. or maybe. you can elaborate anything you know about it. even though I know it was before your time. :\fr. ALExAxDER. I think that is a fair summary of that project, as I understand it. And I don't have a high regard for that project for two reasons. The first goes to the utilization of resourceS. This sort of dragnet approach would seem questionable at best. A second goes to the problem that :\fr. 'Volfe and I have been discussing with you this morning, and that is the question of illegal, or illegally acquired or improperly acquired, evidence. Senator SCHWEIKER. And one other project that I would just particularly like to cite-and thislloes back probably into the late 1960's time frame. The CIA gave the IRS names of individuals who recently traveled to Vietnam, the implication being that their tax returns would be audited. I wonder if you could tell us what your present policy is in this area at all. not necessarily Vietnam, but that kind of technique or anything else you might want to say. Mr. ALEXAXDER. That technique isn't a good technique. People should be audited and "elected for audit on an objectiye basis without regard to their travel. If they attempted to deduct the cost of going to 24 Vie.tnam. then we would be interested in examininO' the validitv of that ' ~ . claIm. Rut we are not interested in examining people b('C'ause of their \'iews with respect to Vietnam or anything else. Senator SOIWEIKEH. Commission('l", on(' of the most frightening aspects. I think. of the a\\'t'SOIlW pO\Yer that yom (lepartlllPnt has. we have touched on in a llulllbel' of our questions. "'e have actuall.y seen it abused. 'Ye are going to come back with a number of hearings on that with tIl<' FBI and their COIKTELPRO activities. Again. this is something preceding you. But I think the larger question is how to keep political influence and politi('al purposes out of any IRS aetions 01' anclits. I knO\v this is your concern. too. and I raise tlw question as to what. l<,gislatinly. we might do to back up a CommissionE'r like yoursE'lf who wants to lay down policies that might change \vhen a new administration or a new Commissioner comes in. Do yon have any snggestions that we might hear to keep asprcts of political life out of the TRS system. and what you have been doing to do that. ~fr. ALEXAXDER. One suggestion is that of a 5-year term for future Commissioners. Another suggestion is continna1. constructive oversight over the IRS and other agencies having broao pO\wrs like ours. Tax enforcement is too important to leave to thr enforcrrs. 'Yhat we han been doing is not onlv attempting to institute new controls. not only attemptin~' to oispose of aberrations in the tax system as we find thrm. surh as the SpE'cial Seni('(> Staff. and to prevent aberrations from happening in the futnre. but to open up the pror<'ss by providing our manual. that t<,lJs "'hat w<' 00 and how \w 00 it. and making everything about our onnlllization open to the publir. so that all will han arreS8 t.o information that tlwv need to hnve. and so that the creation of a Speria1SelTir(' Staff "'ou10 come to light when it was createo. lInl<'8s SGl11e futllre rommis"ioner decined to close the process. And no flltllrp Commissioner should be ]wrmittrd to close the proress. Senator SCHWETKER. Follmving lip the awesome power that you have with the information that comes to vour attention. power that is provioed to vou and no other Government agencv. one aT the concerns I han-and I know it is a difficult area. becan'se vou have to strike some kino of a balance-is the relationships you w'ould logically and rightfullv have \"ith States and nlllnirimllitips on exrhanging information. Yon call this a tax treatv with the States. And I want to make it clear that my question does not imp1v that States and municipalities should not have proper access to information. But it just strik<,s me that if we go to great lengths in your Department and in your area, even with new laws. we still have a tremendous area here that. to some extent. is a back-door problem. whereby a State unit. politicallv. or even a city unit. politicaHy, would want to make use of this material in a political or adverse way to your instructions. V\That advice can vou give this committee about legislation to somehow regnInte that: withont oenving the State tax 'functions and citv tax functions rightful use of this-information. because here is a wine-open barn door that you really have not dealt with either. Mr. AJ~F.XAXDF.R. As VOn ]Joint onto we han a balalWing or eom~ting interests. First, the interests that an of us have in effective State tax 25 administration; and second. the interests that all of uS have in presening taxpayer pri,"acy and in preventing abuse of power. Secretary Simon has sent to the Speaker of the House a recommendation for a ne,v law to replace the current law with respect to disclosure of tax information. That new law will govern our future relationships with the States. It ,,-ill tighten up on present law, in that Federal tax information would not be supplied to local governmental units for tax administration purposes. 'iVe think. in striking a proper balance. the plact' to stop is the States. In the meantime, we are tightening up administratively by reviewing our agrppmpnts with the various Statps, 48 in all. and by imposing: new restrictions on them "with respect to their use of information. new requirements on them to safeguard information, and new rights in the IRS to terminate the agreement immediately if the States don't live up to their obligations. Senator SCHW"EI}{ER. ~Iight there be some way of having-and maybe you do: I do not know--having SOIl1P kind of insppetor general or ombudsman that might just 11t' assigned to sort of freelance around V0111' whole structure to look out for this? :\Iaybe there is a more formal thing. I do not know. . Mr. Au:xxxm:R. 'iYe have thflt now. Spnfltor ScJl\wikpr.l\fr. Bates is in charge of our Inspection Senice. and Inspection reports directly to the Deputy Commissioner. :\11'. ""'"illiams. and to me. And their duty is to freelance around. to look around. to see what we are doing and how we are doing it. And they have reviewed the very problem we were just discussing about flisclosure of tax return information to State tax authorities and local tax authorities. and the use by them of this information. and the safeguanls that they have institutpci or failed to institutr. So they han' been looking into this vrry area. Inspection is a vita]]y important pari or tax administrntion. Spnator SCHWEIIi:F.R. Thank vou. That is all the questions. ~fr. ·Chairman. The CIL\IRUAX. Tlumk von. Spnator Schweiker. Senator Morgan. Spnfltor ~1oRG.\x. ~fr. Commissioner. I want to ioin in with the comments of my colleag-ues. and especially those of Spnator Mondale, in complimenting von for trying to administpr your departnwnL while at the same time living within the law. I think onc of the things that this committef', if I mav say so, is involwfl in is not only the abnse of power. but also tlw actnal violations of law that arp bping carried on b~" ag-cncips or Government. And r do not knm\' how we can talk abont curbing increasing crime, how we can talk abont ~erlPrating morf' resppct for law. when we ourselves violate it. So I commend vou ror what von are doin~. And while I do not know the facts in the' most recrntcase for which yon hav!' come nnder' rriticism. I c!'rtainly again compliment yon on'the position you have takpn pnblicly with I'f'g-arc1 to nsing proper law enforcement methods and t.f'chnifll1f's. I kIl()\\, it is not an rasv position to tnkf'. I had difficulty in tlw samf' area with peoplf' \\'ho were working for me when I wal'; tn"in.!! to administer the laws of tlw Statf' or Xort.h Carolina. ",Yf' ,wre tfllkin!Y abont intel1i!.[C'lwP !!atlwring in this committl'e's work. Anel it Sf'pms to me that yon han probably ~ot morp confidential 26 information on individuals and their finances than anv other agency in Government. Do you agree with that? ., Mr. ALEXANDER. 'Well, I surely hope so. If another agency has more than we have, they have no business having it. Senator MORGAN. And of course, most of this information is submitted to your department voluntarily by the citizens of this country who willingly, as a general rule, try to uphold the tax laws. Mr. ALEXANDER. That is correct. Senator MORGAN. And I think, as you have pointed out previously, Mr. Commissioner, if the taxpayers of this country ever conclude that t~is informati0J?- is being misused, I think you may have substantial dIfficulty enforcmg these laws. Mr. ALEXANDER. We would. Senator MORGAN. But now, in addition to this information that is submitted to you voluntarily, you have certain powers that have been granted to the revenue department, the Internal Revenue Service, to gather information that other law enforcement agencies do not have. Is that not true? Mr. ALEXANDER. That is correct, Senator Morgan. Senator MORGAN. Such as-could you give us an illustration? Mr. ALEXANDER. Such as one which I mentioned earlier, the right by administrative summons to call on a third party to give us information with respect to a taxpayer; the issuance, of course, of an administrative summons to a taxpayer; the right, with limitations that we have imposed administratively, to issue a John Doe summons, a summons issued not with respect to the liability of a named person, but in an effort to get us to first base where we believe that there has been a taxable event but we do not know the identity of the particular taxpayer. We also have other rights, more in the enforcement area than in the area of acquiring information. I have touched on those earlier: terminations of taxable years, levies, and seizures. Senator MORGAN. In other words, to give an illustration that is easily understood, ~'ou can go down to my bank, or any taxpayer's bank, and find out about my account, can you not? Mr. ALEXANDER. We can, and we need to do that.. VV'e need to have that power. But we need to understand that a power of this nature can lead to misuse or abuse or excess. Senator MORGAN. You need the power, but it was given to you for the purpose of enforcing the tax laws of this Nation, was it not? Mr. ALEXANDER. That is correct. Senator MORGAN. It was not given to you :for the purpose of stifling dissent, was it? Mr. ALEXANDER. That is correct; it certainly was not. Senator MORGAN. It was not to be used :for the purpose o:f harassing the steel manu:facturers? Mr. ALEXANDER. That is correct. Senator MORGAN. It was not given to you :for the power o:f en:forcing the drug laws o:f this country either? 1fr. ALEXANDER. That is correct. Senator MORGAN. Then how can anvone justi:fy-I know you do not-but what is the rationale behind those who try to use these powers for purposes for other than which they were given? 27 1Ir. ALEXANDER. People perceive a need. They perceive in their own minds a great need. Pedlaps they perceive a void in the law in certain areas-or perhaps in tll\' capability of enforcing a law. Perhaps law enforcement people are I.ot there. The people are being used in other ways; perhaps one couldn't persuade the FBI to divert itself from things that the Attorney General called "always foolish and sometimes outrageous." So IRS, then, may be considered by those people to be a convenient vehicle for filling a void that they have discovered; the use of the tax laws to achieve this perceived good, such as depriving narcotics traffickers of cash. for example, is not surprising, because narcotics traffickers would not be at the top of our list, I would say-if we had one-or people who come rorward to comply with the tax laws. Senator MORGAN. In other words. to put it more simply, in the minds of many well-meaning, well-intended public officials, the end justifies the means. ~fr. ALEXAKDER. Yes. Senator ~fORGAN. Xow, and to do this, you have probably the largest intelligence-gathering organization. You have about 14,000 investigators and 2.500 special agents. Mr. ALEXANDER. Well, those 14,OOO-actually, it's about 15,000are revenue agents, and they are not criminal investigators. But we do have a large investigative rorce in the broad sense or the term. We have about 2,700 special agents, and our people are good. Senator MORGAN. And so, because or these rather unusual laws which grant to the IRS spedal powers which are not normally given, and could not be given, to law enrorcement agencies, and because of this vast reservoir or manpower, it is quite orten tempting for others to look to your department ror assistance in carrying out what they perceive to be worthwhile objectives. ~Ir. ALEXANDER. It certainly has been tempting, and they would like to enlist us as foot soldiers in the wars against whomever they choose to do battle. Senator ~fORGAN. I wish to say to you. Mr. Commissioner, and to others. that I think this pattern is not something that came about in recent years. As long as I have been a lawyer. I have been concerned about what I consider to be this pattern of abuse, or misuse, of our tax laws. For instance. as you may have pointed out. you have the right to make a jeopardy assessment and to take a person's property into possession without affording that individual any of the due process remedies that we now use. ~Ir. ALEXANDER. That is a peremptory right. That person can challenge only the good faith of our action. Senator MORGAN. Xow. a goood examnle or that wonld be 1971, I believe, when the Prpsident. in his well-meaning and well-intended action, ordered the IRA to cooperate with law enforcement officers in drlll! enforcement. didn't he ~ Mr. ALEYA"'OER. Thilt iR C'orrect. Senator MORGAN. And the purpose of it being that, if the law enforcement officers were not able to make a case against someone that they sllspected of being involved in a crime. then they wonld call on yOll to rome in and make a ieopardy assessment, or exercise these extraordinary powers that you have. 28 Mr. ALt;x"\~))EH. hn leot "llre iT \.'orked t11at wav. bnt I will state that the narcotics program, \yhidl has bepl1 termillatpd. was. in my .i lldgmmlL not a sound use of IRS\; resonrces. And, in some instanccs, it was not a sonnd nse or propel' use of IRS'::: powers. Senator "310HGAx. \Vell, I can tell you of a personal experience, Mr. CommissioneL somewhat ,;imiJal' 10 yonI' OI\"n. As attorney generalas the committee has heard me say bdore-thp Blah, Bnl'eau of Investigation was nndel' my charge. And Thad the finest and most enlightpnpd director that I think vou would find annyherp. But he was so intent on doing something about the drug traffic-and it was such an emotional thing-that if 11(' could not make out a case. then he wonld turn to you people awl yOIl would seize the money or the automobile. And I found out about it. an(l then he and I had some rather-not heated exchanges-but it was a position that was j1lst as hard for me to defend publicly becanse of emotion as it is for you to defend your position. I think that's another reason \yhy we need strong men in po"itions wh('re they ale called upon to exaci3e extraordinarv power. Mr. Commissioner. my time is np; I would 11kE' to pursue this much further, and I hope that after we go into the COIXTELPRO activities Lhat then we wiJl be abh- to come back and put our fingers on some ilJustrative cases so that the American people can fully comprehend how dangerous it l?an be for the people of this country for your power to be abused and misused. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIKUAX. Thank you. Spnator :\forgan. I would like to follow up on Senator ~Iorg'an's remark by giving a roncrete iJlnstration. This comes from an intern:ll mrmorandull1 of the CIA [exhibit 4 1], and it had to do with the CIA's reqnBSt to the IRS to do an audit on the magazine "Ramparts." And I read the memorandUlll which relatps to the- comersations between the CIA and the IRS working ont this arrangemcnt. The CIA agent \\"])0 writes the memorandnm writes thl' following: "I told them of thr infonnrrtion and rnmors we have heard"- "them". being the 1RS-"about 'Ramparts' proposed ('xpose with particnlar reference to the 1'.8. ~ational Students Assoeiation." Now that. yon will remember. was the association that the CIA was heavily involved lll. and helped to financl'. \Yhen that \vas pxposed. I anI told that the CIA then, after reIllO\'ing it s connectioll from the organization. urged the IRS to no longer give it tax-exempt status. Reading on from the memorandum. "I impressed upon them the Director's"---this \HJuld be Diredor HeJms--"the Director's concern and expressed our certainty that 1his is all attack on CIA in particnlar, and the administration in general." Reading from the next page of the memo: I !;uggested that the corporate tax returns of "Ramparts" be examined, and that any leads to possible finaLcial supporters be followed up by an examination of their inoividual tax returns, It is unlikel~' that such an examination will o.pwlop mnch worthwhile informa [ion a,; to the magazine's ~ource of financial support, but it is possiblp that some leads will be pvident. Thl' returns can be called in for review by the Assistant Commissionel' for Compliance without causing any particular notice in the rpspective IRS Districts, The proposed examination would he made by :\lr. Green who would advise me if there appeared to be any information on the returns worth following up. 1 See p, 46. Now I ran't imagine a more dear-cut case of the CIA attempting to nse the IRS for the purpose of getting a magazine that proposed to expose acti"ities that the CIA "anted to conceal, or a more threatening use of ):wvernmental power to undprmine the freedom of the, press in this country. The CJuestion I have to ask you. ~fr. Commissioner, is, is it legal for the IRS to examinE' individual tax returns. or organizational tax returns, and then supply the information it obtains to the CIA or to the FBI for purposes uni'elated to tax colledion? ~lr. ALExAxDER. Two points. Number one. the IRS has no business E'ngaging in the use of its processes to harass people, to harass so-called enemies of any kind. the magazine you mentioned or anyone else. Number two. the Director of the CIA can ask the IRS for information in connectIon ,,-ith a matter officially before the Director, and the IRS would have a responsibility, nnclei· present law, to supply that information. The CHAIR)fAX. Do you know' how a magazine publishing in this country. operating under the protectire umbrella of the first amendment to the Constitntion. could be offirially a matter of concern, or be officially before the Director of CIA, for the purpose of entitling the agency to obtain the assistance of the IRS to do audits of its accounts? Mr. ALExAxDER. No, I don't. But the one best capable of answering that would be the Director of the CIA. The CHAIR)L\X. I think ,ye will haye Mr. Helms back again and again and again. - These are the lists that "e are referring to today-3.000 organizations appeared on the Special Services Staff list for audits, and 8,000 U.S. citizens. It is our understanding that about half of the names, organizational and individual names, came to the IRS and were included on the list at the request of the FBI. The point that I made earlier I would like to make again at this time. It is established by the evidence that even the names of individuals and organizations that were connected with the war protest movement, or might have had some connection with the problem of violence at that time, were not a proper use of the tax-collecting power. I shall ask the committee to release the lists in their entirety; time does not permit that now. 'When you look at these lists you will see how far afield they went even of the official purpose that. under the memorandum to which we have referred, they were supposed to be put. For example, here are some groups that I have taken from the list since I have been able to mm-e through it this morning, in addition to those that I gave at the commencement of the hearing, groups that are well known to all of us, that appear on this list for purposes of having ~hei~ tax. returns audited. And it is very difficult to find any possible ]u~tIficatlOn for such church groups as the American Jewish Committee, the American Je'Yish Congress. the Associated Catholic Charities, the Baptist Foundation of America, the B'nai B'rith Antidefamation. League, or such Government institutions, if you please, as the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, or such professional associations as the Amer~can Law Institute and the Legal Aid Society. Or such political orgamzations as Americans for Democratic Action. And, yes, on the other side of the spectrum as well, the Liberty Lobby, the .John Birch Society, and the United Republicans of America. Or such citizens associations as Common Cause, the Legal Aid 60-877 0 - 76 - 3 Society, the Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy, the National Education Association, the Women's Liberation Movement. Somehow, the Women's Liberation Movement is on all of the lists. The Fund for the Republic, such foundations as the Carnegie Foundation, and such publIcations, magazines and newspapers in this country as "Human Events", "Playboy", "Commonweal", "Rolling Stone", "The National Observer", "The New York Review of Books", and "The Washington Monthly". I just think that going down the list and pointing out how far afield the IRS was tasked to go, demonstrates the tremendous dangers to our privacy and to our liberty that are implicit in this kind of undertaking. We fought the Revolutionary War over a problem of taxation, and we had better make certain in the future that the IRS attends to collect taxes, and doesn't become the instrument for the harassment of other organizations and other citizens in this country, in connection with which, or with whom, there are no questions of tax liability. Senator Schweiker has a question. Senator SCHWEIKER. I do have one question for the Commissioner. I realize again, Mr. Commissioner, this is before your time frame; maybe you could shed a little light. It has to do with another memo called "Tax Protest Movement" and a tax protest list, and it is dated December 6, 1972, to District Director, St. Louis District, from Intelligence Division [exhibit 51]. It says: Attached herewith, for your information, is a copy of a list of various members involved in the tax protest movement. These individuals have been identified through investigations conducted in the San Francisco District relative to various tax protest groups. It is believed that some members of these groups are capable of violence against IRS personnel. And going through the list of names. the name that obviously comes to attention first is Senator .roseph Montoya of New Mexico. I wonder, is there any light you can shed as to why you think Senator Montoya is violent, or is on a tax protest list? Can you help enlighten us how this got through the system? Mr. ALExAxDER. I'm afraid I can't help very much because I can't put myself in the place of the author of that list. The only connection that I can think of immediately is that Senator Montoya is, af~r all, the Chairman of the IRS Appropriations Subcommittee, and someone might have thought that he did violenc~ to our appropriation. I can't think of anything else. I think that points up the absurdity of some of the lengths to which a few people have gone. Senator SCHWEIKER. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRl\IAX. Thank you, Senator. Senator Mondale? Senator MOXDALE. Commissioner Alexander. in response to the chairman's question about the CIA inquiry about the tax status of the Ramparts magazine reporter who might be about to disclose CIA funding of the National Student Association. I thought I heard vou say, in your opinion, it is still your duty under the law, should 'the 1 See p. 48. 31 Director of the CIA request access to information, to turn it over to him? .Mr. ALExAxDER. It is. The head of an agency-- Senator ~IoxDALE. In other words. this could still happen today? ~Ir. ALEXAXDER. It could. The Director of the CIA is the head of an agency, and under these presidentially approved regulations, under present law, the head of an agency can call on the IRS t? furnish tax information with respect to a matter officially before hIm. It would be difficult for IRS to question the Director of the CIA as to what's officially before him. Senator MONDAL};. So, if you had a Director who wanted to do the same thing today, and he asked you officially for the returns, you would provide them to him today, and you would not inquire of him as to what he had in mind. Is that correct ? Mr. ALEXAXDER. Let me modify what I have just stated. The Chief Counsel has just pointed out that there is a word, "may," in that regulation, rather than "shall." \Ye have been interpreting that to be "shall," except in these rare instances, of which I gave an example. It would be very difficult for me to make material changes in this established practice without a change in the law. I think you are-- Senator ~IOXDALE. Have you, since 1973, ever inquired of either the FBI, the Justice Department, or the CIA when they have requested tax information as to their real reasons and use? Mr. ALEXANDER. Oh, yes. Senator MONDALE. You have? Mr. ALEXAXDER. 'Ye certainly have. I have personally, and the Chief of our Disclosure Division in our compliance function has. Yes, we have. Senator MONDALE. Do you inquire, under all circumstances, whenever you receive a request to determine that the use of that material is solely for legitimate and official duties within the law? Mr. ALEXANDER. The letter requesting the tax returns, under our new procedures. comes to me. Now, I look at that letter-there are a number of them, a great number-in 1974. the tax returns of more than 8,200 people were requested. Senator MOXDALE. From the FBI? Mr.. ALEXAXDER. Ko. These were total requests from governmental agencIes. Senator MONDALE. And roughly, what agencies? Mr. ALEXAXDER. Mainly from the Department of Justice and U.S. attorneys. Senator MOXDALE. \Vere some from the CIA? Mr. ALEXAXDER. According to the lists that have just been handed me, for the calendar veal' of 1974. which I believe to be correct, there are none from the CIA. The Department of Justice, which acts on its own behalf and on behalf of the FBI and U.S. attorneys, is, by far, our largest customer. Senator MOXDALE. 'Yhich other customers do you have? Mr. AU:XAXDER. The Department of Agriculture. the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobaceo and Firearms, the Department of Commerce, the 32 F.S. Customs Service, tIlt' FedE'l'al Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Federal Home Loan Bank Board. the Genrral Acounting Office. the Interstate Commerce Commission. the Department of Labor. the SEC, and the Renegotiation Board were the requesters in calendar year Hl74. And a total of 29,529 returns were request€d, Senator ~Iondale. Senator ~I()xDALE. "CndE'l' your interpretation of the regulation and statutes. any agenty of the Federal Government tan request these returns if they certify the pm'pose is official. Mr. ALl-:X.\XDEH. They need to do something more than that. They need to give us assurance that they "'ill hold the information confidential. They need to give us. and are giving ns. some detail as to why they nepd it. rathpr than just a simple statelnE'nt that it is needed. ~ow, }Ir. "'hitakPl·. would you amplify on that statement? Senator ~IoxIJALE.•Tust a minute. This is really disturbing. in my opinion. because I think you are doing a good job. Bnt Tthink the horse is still out of the barn, and the IRS is still selTing as a private investigatin~arm for these agencies whenever there is something tlwy want to know, no matter what agency it is.•,,"s I read the law. there is supposed to be an inquiry into whether this is within the official duties of the .rustice Department or the es. attorney reqnesting it. But instead, just about anybody in government can inquirp. and I am not at all convinced that you are in a position to knmy what on Pluth they haV(' in mind with thosp returns. }1r. ALEXA~DER. Senator }Iondale. the concerns that you express, that we share. account in considerable measure for our request that the law be tightened up. so that tlH' law and the regulations will give us the right to refuse to furnish tax information where we believe that tiw request is not a propeJ' one. where we believe that there is not a real need for the information or it can be reasonably acquired elsewhere. Senator }IoxlJ.\LE. The reason you want to tighten np is that right now these returns, as we sit here. can be requested and used for illegal purposes. Mr. ALEXA~DF.R. I bplieYe that that statf'ment is correct. and T believe that under thp present rpgulations. it "'ould be difficult, it would be awbyard at lwst. for us to effectivply police requests so as to be able to give you absolute assurance that the return was reqnested for a proper purpose. Senator M"OXD.\LE. Sow. I want to give one further example here of why I think the failure to haye proper controls on this information could. if unrestrictNl. destrov this conntrv's freedoms. Senator Hnddlpston parlipr rdp!Tpd t(; a civil rights organization in Atlanta. and I think vou are familiar with this case. We do not know what actually hapI)rl1rd. and thl' chancrs are that it did not frO beyond what was rpcommendefl hpre. but we do know that the FBI obtainerl information. that ,,'as SUjJpospd to be classified in the IRS. listinfr the donors to this civil rights organization. And this is what the officer in the .\t1anta office proposed to do-and I'm froinfr to refer to this ormlllization simply as "ownnization" and its nationally known leader as [deleted]. [See exhibit 3 1]' Here is what he said: It is believed that donors and creditors of the organization present two imIJortant areas for counter·intellig-ence activities. In regard to the donors it is 1 See p. 45. 33 ~ugge~ted that official organization ~tatioIlPry bearing [deleted] signature, copies of which are available to the Atlanta office and will be furnished by ~eparate conllllunication to the Bureau laboratory for reproduction purposes, be utill~ ill advising the donors that the IRS is currently checking tax records of the organizatioIl, and that [deleted] through this phony correspondence"-in other word~. they are going to sign [deleted] name for him-"wants to advise the dOllor, insuring that he reported hi~ gift,; in accordance with the IRS requirenwnts ,;0 that he will not become im'o[Yed in a tax investigation. It is believed that such a letter of this tnw from the organization may cause considerable concern and diminate future contl'ilmtions, Now this was a (lecision based upon information they were able to obtain from the IRS. which they were going to use to destroy the funding of a moderate civil rights organization which apparently displeased them. Now, in answer to ~Ir. Huddlpston~s qupstion, you said such a request would go to the bottom of the pile. It didn't go to the bottom of the pile. They got the information from the IRS, and-we don't know ,,,hether this actually happened, apparently it did not-but at least one agent was going to use it to try to chill and undermine one of our moderate civil rights organizations. So, do you not see, in the fail11l'e to have the tightest kinds of control on this information so that it is limited solely to tax enforcement and carefully defined other official Ipgal uses, that the present loose control of this information makes it possible to resort to these kinds of outrageous and totally indefensible and exceedingly dangerous practices that threaten America~s freedom? Mr. ALEXAXDER. Ycs, Senator lIondale. 'We certainly believe that the laws should be tightened up. 'VI' arlo' accountable for our own actions. The actions of other agencies are matters for which they should be held accountahle. 'Ve rely upon the present law~ upon good faith. and 'Yf' think we haYe good reason to so rely. 'Ve would like to be able to give IOO-percent assurance~ but We cannot. Senator )IOXDALE. Can there be any solution to this privacy matter so that they are not abused in these ways unless the Commissioner of the IRS possesses sole authority oYer those documents and power to determine whether or not their uses are proper and legal? If you must continue under present policy. that vests that authority in the FBI, the .Justice Department and all the other agencies mentioned on those other lists. can there really be any control? Mr. ALExANm:R. There 'can be some controls. Senator :\IONDALE. But not much. Mr. ALEXANDER. But not absolute controls. Senator )IoxDALE. All right. Thank you. The CHAIRl\L\X. Anv other questions? Senator HrDDLEsTo·x.•Just a loose end or two, :\11'. Chairman. The CHAIRl\L\X. Yes; certainly, Senator Huddleston. Senator HrDDLFA"Tox. In respect to the information that you have given us that certain procedures are now in effect to tighten up the use of confidential informants, we ha\'e a memo from the IRS to the special agents in the .JacksoIl\·ille district ,,,hich sets out the procedures to be llsed. This is dated .July n. 1974 [exhibit 6 1 ]. 'Ve also ha\'e a tax memo written by one of the agents~ at least, to whom this ,,,as sent. which is headed "Instructions from .TKW," who 1 See p. 53. 34 is Mr. J. K. Wishwell, and apparently his comments on these sug· gestions-he writes, for instance, "No 1, reduce fund to $500 for (a confidential informant) ," on which he writes "ha, ha, ha." Senator HUDDLESTON. There is another entry in which he says, "restrict payout to $250 without prior approval," on which he writes, "ha, ha, ha." Another provision, "after each payout rendezvous with another special agent or JlnV and hand deliver receipt, voucher and import and pick up reimbursement check." He writes, "ha, ha, ha." "No.7 said he would give me instructions in writing to minimize misunderstanding," and again he notes, "ha, ha, ha." Is this the kind of response that you have been experiencing with these instructions that may have gone out to the agents in the field? Mr. ALExANDER. I don't think so. I think this gentleman obviously was a man of few words. [General laughter.] Mr. ALEXANDER. This is not typical of the IRS special agent. I think there are many fine, dedicated people doing a tough job well. I think there are a few, and a very ,'ocal few, that are impeding efforts toward making our tax administration system sounder and more responsible, and this gentleman's repetition of his word "ha" would put him in this category. Senator HUDDLESTON. I'm wondering, though, about a gentleman who's been out in the field dealing with informants who are not people who would be characterized as pillars of the community. There is one who turned in his own father as a tax evader. I am wondering if this is not a commentary on the workability of any set of rules or standards if you are going to deal with that kind of people. Mr. ALEXANDER. Well, tight controls, sensible tight standards, are surely better than the alternative of lax or nonexistent controls and standards. 'Senator HUDDLESTON. I agree with that. I was just suggesting it is an area that would require continual supervision if it is to be employed at all. Mr. ALEXANDER. It does, Senator Huddleston. This is an area fraught with danger, the danger of misuse, the danger of actually employing people of, tat best, doubtful character, doubtful reputation, and doubtful veracity by the IRS, with its great powers. An additional fact is that the institution of a criminal investigation itself, when made known by third party contacts, is a very severely damaging thing to the person innstigated. Senator HUDDLESTON. Now, the agency has also used undercover agents, as I understand, and there is at least one instance where undercover agents infiltrated the inner circle of an individual who was undergoing a tax investigation and tax prosecution, as a matter of fact. Because of this, he was able to learn what the defense strategy was, what kind of 'affidavits were to be filed, what plea was to be made, and did, in fad, convey this information to the prosecuting attorney. Is this the kind of thing that undercover agents are expected to do? Mr. ALEXANDER. No; it is not. Senator HUDDLESTON. Do you know o£any other incidents besides the ones I cited, which is a case out in Los Angeles, Calif., where this might have occurred? 35 Mr. ALEXANDER. I am aware of that case, and I am disturbed by it. I do not know personally of any other instances. I don't know whether those with me tDday know of any others. Mr. WOLFE. I know of none. Senator HUDDLESTON. The system which utilizes undercover agents and informants certainly lends itself to that kind of abuse. :Mr. ALEXAXDER. That is one of the dangers in the use of a confidential informant, particularly if the confidential informant is encouraged by silence, or by adion, or by knowledge and acquiescence, to engage in activities beyonrl the line, beyond the line legally, beyond the l~ne ethically and morally. These present very great dangers and I questIOn whether the benefits to the enforcement of the tax laws are worth the cost tD enforcement of the tax laws. Senator HUDDLESTOX. 'Ve also have information that documents which were maintained in the IGRD system were destroyed contrary to the regnlar docnmellt rlestruction schedule by the IRS. First, what was the IGRD~ Mr. ALEXANDER. The IGRD, to which I referred earlier, was the Intelligence Gathering and Retrieval Unit in the IRS. IGRS was the Intelligence Gathering and Retrieval System. This was to be a computerized system for maintaining general intelligence information that the IRS had gathered. It resulted from a study instituted, I believe, in 1969, implemented in 1973. and modified in 1974. The Deputy Commissioner and I suspended this system in January of this year. It was a system that accumulated a great deal of information of somewhat doubtful value. But the system itself. the idea of computerizing this information, is a sound idea. The implementation of the system was the problem. Senator HrDDLEsTON. Is there any way to make distinctions among that evidence that might have been collected illegally, if the evidence were valid ~ Mr. ALEXAXDER. I think this operated as a vacuum cleaner; everything went in. in some districts; very little went in, in others. The district offices were encouraged to build up the system, and some of them reacted with great vigor to do precisely that, Miami being one of such offices. On January 15, we found that 465,442 names were in the system, and included in those names was mine. Senator HnmLEsTox. 1Vhat about the destruction of these documents contrary to procedure ~ 1Vere you aware of that ~ Mr. ALEXANDER. I became aware 'of that recently, and it is very disturbing to me. Senator HUDDLESTON. How could it have happened, Or how did it happen ~ Mr. ALEXAXDER. I don't know of mv own knowledge how that happened. 1Ve give instructions in the l~ational office. 1Ve expect those instructions will be carried out, and in almost every instance they are. In some instances. people, through misumlerstandmgs or through I'm sorry to say. a willful act, refuse to carry them out. ' Senator HUDDLESTOX. Are you aware that in at least two instances documents were destroyed related to extremist organizations or extremist individuals? Mr. ALEXAXDER. I have become aware of that, yes. 36 Senator HCDDLESTON. Do you attach any significance to that? Mr. ALEXAXDER. Yes: I do. It causes mr deep concern because it would appear that someone thought that thrse should be destroyed because of the adwrse impact on. perhaps, the assembler or perhaps the holder of the document. if they were not destroyed. Of course, that is a concern for the head of a law enforcement agency. Senator HUDDLESTON. Also the revelation of how the information might have been obtained would leave some question. Mr. ALEXANDER. That is another problem. Senator HUDDLESTON. Thank vou. ~Ir. Chairman. Thp CHAIR~L\N. Mr. CommlssiollPr. did yOll tpstify that in 1974. something in excess of 20.000 income tax returns 'were turned over to other agencies of the GowrnmE'nt ? Mr. ALEXANDER. Yes: I did. The number, I believe. was 29.520 plus. The CHAIR-:lIAN. 29.520 plus? Mr. ALEXANDER. Yes. The returns were for those 8.210 taxpayers, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIR:~L\N. 8,210 taxpayers. Now, does that include returns that may have been requested and turned over to State governments? Mr. ALEXANDER. No; not at all. The CHAIRMAN. Do you have the figure for the latter? Mr. ALEXANDER. I have a figure, and I would like to supplement this for the record, to give you the full figure, Mr. Chairman. You see, returns turned over to the State governments actually consist in large part of taped transcripts. Now, my understanding is that in 1974, the taped transcripts of some 63 million individual returns were turned over to State govern' nents; but in addition to that I receive a number of requests from StHte governments for individual returns that are not included within this figure. We have agreements with 48 of the 50 States. We do not have agreements with Texas and Nevada. and I would like to supply for the record, if I can. Mr. Chairman. a full and complete listing for yOll [exhibit 17 1]" . The CHAIRMAN. I wish vou would. You see, as the record stands now, in 1 year alone. nearly 30,000 returns involving more than 8.000 taxpayers, were turned over by the IRS to other Federal agencies. You have said this is a very loose arrangment. The laws need to be tightened to give a greater measure of confidentialitv. This commlttee. is concerned about what is becoming- obvions in the course of these hearings, and that is the spreading of "Big Brother" government methods. and what your testimony shows is that, at least as of now, every taxpayer in this country is on notice that when his tax return is filed in the IRS. it means any agency in the Government that can claim an official interest can get into that tax return for its own purposes. That is what it means. And. what better form is there to intimidate people. harass people, force them to comply with whatever it is !"ome other arrencv mav have in mind. than to have his tax return and information that it may contain. 1 See p. 103. 37 This morning we have seen further that, until recently at least, the IRS itself maintained a list of 8,000 individuals and 3,000 organizations which other agencies of the Government asked them to compile for the purpose of making tax audits, though clearly from the nature of these organizations, they are not suspected of owing taxes. Now, if that isn~ an abuse. I don't know what abuse is. Furthermore, some of these agencies had no lawful right to request that these names be placed upon such a list. I gave you an example a few minutes ago of the CIA making such a request on "Ramparts" magazine because it feared that "Ramparts" might print something that the CIA did not want printed. Yet the law on which the CIA derives its powers provides expressly that the Agency shall have no police, subpena, or law enforcement powers, or internal security functions. It was to stay out of domestic affairs. But it didn't, it hasn't, and it won't until we begin to write the laws much differently and prescribe penalties for their violation. I want to thank you, Mr. Commissioner, and I want to thank your assistants who have come here. I want to thank you for the cooperation you have given us and the information you have turned over to us. It is very helpful to the committee. The committee now stands adjourned. Our next hearing will be announced by the Chair. ['Vhereupon, at 12: 32 p.m., the committee recessed, to reconvene upon the call of the Chair.]
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